Is believing in the Trinity necessary for salvation? (POLL!)
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Really? Then why did the high priest Caiaphas ask Jesus to questions at Matthew 26:63-64? Vs63, "And the high priest said to Him/Jesus, I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us "whether" (1) You are the Christ/Messiah and (2) the Son of God? At Luke 22:70 Jesus responds, "Yes, I am."
So andor, please reconcile what you said with what the Bible says that Jesus Christ is the Jewish Messiah if He is not Jewish? Like I keep saying, anyone can state a position but around here you have to prove your position.
Btw, welcome to Christian Chat.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
So andor, please reconcile what you said with what the Bible says that Jesus Christ is the Jewish Messiah if He is not Jewish? Like I keep saying, anyone can state a position but around here you have to prove your position.
Btw, welcome to Christian Chat. IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Well let me put it this way. I do not believe Trinitarianism is a REQUIRMENT for salvation. It is the RESULT of salvation. Why? Because you cannot know Jesus Christ and somehow miss the fact that He is God. You cannot have experienced the presense of the Holy Spirit of God and somehow miss that He is God.
Romans 8:9-11, "However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. vs10, And if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. vs11, But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you. He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who indwells you."
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Romans 8:9-11, "However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. vs10, And if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. vs11, But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you. He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who indwells you."
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Believing in spiritual things is a product of being born again with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. So anyone who thinks they are saved by what they believe are already saved eternally. They are children of God who have not understood their eternal salvation was accomplished by Christ's death on the cross. Romans 10, Paul explained it by the people of Israel, who had a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge and were going around trying to establish their own righteousness by the deeds of the old law (salvation by good works). That is why Jesus instructed his Apostles to go and preach to the lost SHEEP (God's born again children) of the house of Israel.
Your statement is backed up by interpreting the scriptures wrong. Jesus instructed his Apostles to go and preach the gospel to the lost SHEEP (born again children) of the house of Israel. The scriptures were not written to the eternally lost people, but to his born again children as to how they should live their lives while they sojourn here on earth and also informing them that their eternal salvation was secured by Christ's death on the cross and not by their works of the law. So, yes, there is a need to preach the Gospel. The gospel does not tell a person how to GET saved, but informs him how he has been saved eternally by Christ's death on the cross.
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For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6
then there I the whole first chapter of John.
you can't deny what is written.
even though you can point to a single word that says Trinity, you have the body of scripture together
there are at least 20 passages that describe the Trinity.
proper Christology is important to your salvation, even though full understanding is not necessarily.
then there I the whole first chapter of John.
you can't deny what is written.
even though you can point to a single word that says Trinity, you have the body of scripture together
there are at least 20 passages that describe the Trinity.
proper Christology is important to your salvation, even though full understanding is not necessarily.
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[QUOTE="cc4, post: 4027254, member: 284919"] Trinety has its rots in Babylon. Nimrod the Father(sun god) Semiramis mother (Moon god) and Tammus their child also a god.
The Vatican had sold a repackage wersion with father, mother son. Now its repagage again to Father, son, spirit.
Trinety is Babylonian worship and Idoltry!
Yahoosha (Jesus) is the incorruptible image of the invisebule one (Yahooah/god)
Father and som worship always have and always will be pagan worship! [/QUOTE]
cc4,
Your profile says you are NOT a Christian,.
We should expect you to favor theories that support a non-christian position... even if those theories are provably false.
The so-called "pagan trinity":
1. The "pagan trinity" of Nimrod, Semiramis, and Tammuz never existed historically, and there is absolutely no proof of it.
2. This "pagan trinity" was never heard of until Alexander Hislop simply asserted it, out of thin air, in his book in the 1850's.
3. Hislop created this theory by simply fabricating connections out of thin air, and stitching nonsense together... much in the way Dan Brown wrote the Da Vinci Code - he just sat down with some poor historical literature, arbitrarily selected a few odd bits and pieces, and used his vivid imagination to connect it all together into a wild story.
4. It IS possible to sit down and go over each of Hislop's errors, and prove they are fabricated and unfactual. This takes a bit of time, but the information is readily available.
5. Furthermore, modern archaeology has PROVEN, beyond any doubt, that this whole theory couldn't possibly be true.
In the historical cuneiform records of the kings of Assyria (which could not be read in Hyslop's time) both Semiramis and Ninus (presumed erroneously by Hislop to be Nimrod) FAIL TO APPEAR. Semiramis and Ninus, the foundation stones of Hislop's theory, DO NOT APPEAR in the historical lists of Assyrian kings... they aren't there. They aren't real. They didn't exist!
Hyslop's theory of the "pagan trinity" was based on characters that NEVER EXISTED!
Semiramis and Ninus also fail to appear in any other ancient cuneiform writings, or in any Mesopotamian literature. They just aren't there. Hislop relied solely on much later sources, which are full of errors, and which actually contradict the authentic primary sources we can now decipher. Hislop used these late sources, which were wrong and full of errors, to just haphazardly "connect dots" and conjecture his way to wild conspiracy theories.
Hislop was so sloppy that he didn't even stick faithfully to those later sources which were full of errors... he actually pieced THOSE together in ridiculous ways, making wild conjectures. So at the last, Hyslop's work was nothing but wild conjectures based on bad data... conjectures on top of conjectures.
Atheists take this nonsense, that has been thoroughly debunked, and they just repeat it over and over.
Why?
Because it supports their cause.
Surely we can do better.
.
The Vatican had sold a repackage wersion with father, mother son. Now its repagage again to Father, son, spirit.
Trinety is Babylonian worship and Idoltry!
Yahoosha (Jesus) is the incorruptible image of the invisebule one (Yahooah/god)
Father and som worship always have and always will be pagan worship! [/QUOTE]
cc4,
Your profile says you are NOT a Christian,.
We should expect you to favor theories that support a non-christian position... even if those theories are provably false.
The so-called "pagan trinity":
1. The "pagan trinity" of Nimrod, Semiramis, and Tammuz never existed historically, and there is absolutely no proof of it.
2. This "pagan trinity" was never heard of until Alexander Hislop simply asserted it, out of thin air, in his book in the 1850's.
3. Hislop created this theory by simply fabricating connections out of thin air, and stitching nonsense together... much in the way Dan Brown wrote the Da Vinci Code - he just sat down with some poor historical literature, arbitrarily selected a few odd bits and pieces, and used his vivid imagination to connect it all together into a wild story.
4. It IS possible to sit down and go over each of Hislop's errors, and prove they are fabricated and unfactual. This takes a bit of time, but the information is readily available.
5. Furthermore, modern archaeology has PROVEN, beyond any doubt, that this whole theory couldn't possibly be true.
In the historical cuneiform records of the kings of Assyria (which could not be read in Hyslop's time) both Semiramis and Ninus (presumed erroneously by Hislop to be Nimrod) FAIL TO APPEAR. Semiramis and Ninus, the foundation stones of Hislop's theory, DO NOT APPEAR in the historical lists of Assyrian kings... they aren't there. They aren't real. They didn't exist!
Hyslop's theory of the "pagan trinity" was based on characters that NEVER EXISTED!
Semiramis and Ninus also fail to appear in any other ancient cuneiform writings, or in any Mesopotamian literature. They just aren't there. Hislop relied solely on much later sources, which are full of errors, and which actually contradict the authentic primary sources we can now decipher. Hislop used these late sources, which were wrong and full of errors, to just haphazardly "connect dots" and conjecture his way to wild conspiracy theories.
Hislop was so sloppy that he didn't even stick faithfully to those later sources which were full of errors... he actually pieced THOSE together in ridiculous ways, making wild conjectures. So at the last, Hyslop's work was nothing but wild conjectures based on bad data... conjectures on top of conjectures.
Atheists take this nonsense, that has been thoroughly debunked, and they just repeat it over and over.
Why?
Because it supports their cause.
Surely we can do better.
.
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Deuteronomy 6:4
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Isaiah 43:11
I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior.
Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
Revelation 1:8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
"God" is a noun. Our Creator is a Spirit and we must worship in Spirit. (The Book of John chapter 4 verse 24) Our Creator is Holy. The Book of 1st Samuel chapter 2 verse 2)
Therefore our Creator is Holy Spirit. And Jesus was God with us because no one could have looked upon the Creator Holy Spirit and lived to hear His divine Good News. (The Book of Exodus chapter 33 and verse 20)
One Holy Spirit. Belief saves. We have but to believe.
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.” The Book of John chapter 3 verses 16 to 18
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Isaiah 43:11
I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior.
Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
Revelation 1:8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
"God" is a noun. Our Creator is a Spirit and we must worship in Spirit. (The Book of John chapter 4 verse 24) Our Creator is Holy. The Book of 1st Samuel chapter 2 verse 2)
Therefore our Creator is Holy Spirit. And Jesus was God with us because no one could have looked upon the Creator Holy Spirit and lived to hear His divine Good News. (The Book of Exodus chapter 33 and verse 20)
One Holy Spirit. Belief saves. We have but to believe.
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.” The Book of John chapter 3 verses 16 to 18