I worry whether or not the law keepers have founded their faith in Jesus Christ and not the father of lies.
Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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The Jews believed Moses and Elijah would identify the true God. But still certain Jews did not believe although many did. We shall all be in the presence of the Lord one day, but that is not to say we will remain there after the sorting of the goats from the sheep.Until the transfiguration
Under grace there is nothing wrong with law keeping.
Colossians 2
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
These things are all law keeper things. And this verse appears in a latter epistle. Appears to be saying not to let the Romans judge for the Jewish traditions of the Colossians. Moons and Sabbaths are for sure Jewish things. Meat and drink can go one way or the other but by implication it`s Jewish thing.
I say this sincerely; Except you are ignoring His word, that they will not pass and saying they have passed...
Matt 24: 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you."
SO you acknowledge that post resurrection Jesus says to teach everything He taught while in the flesh, then make reason why not to... This is odd.
You quote the "obey scribes and Pharisees" verse with deception... What does it actually say? To obey their teaching of the actual law, but not their own man made changes.... "but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice"
Matthew 23:1-4, " 1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you, e. 4 They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger.
Where are the "other apostels" clear about not obey the law? I ask you to quote one writer other than Paul that says this. It does not exist.
However I am more interested in standing the the Chief Cornerstone and His words.
John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
John 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."
John10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd."
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
It is faith in Jesus Christ that sets us free from the law. If you try to be made right with God through the law, your life with Christ is finished—you have left God's grace. (Gal 5:4 ERV)
The Colossians, the same as everyone else were dead in trespasses and sin. Realising this they gave up trying to please God with earthly rituals, instead they surrendered totally and completely to Jesus Christ for salvation. They had not only died, they had been buried with Christ and had risen with Him to new life. They had finished forever with the Judaizers and Gnostics, who were still trying to draw them back into the very things to which they had died. No longer did they follow Jewish rules regarding food, drink, annual festivals, new moon festivals, or sabbaths. Instead, God in Christ made them alive when he forgave all their sins, wiping out the charges that were against them according to the Law of Moses. He took them away and nailed them to the cross (Col 2:14).
This is why Paul told them in verse 16, “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. " In other words, take no notice. Tell them to go away, tell them to “Get Lost” which they were. They are not your judges.
The ministry of death is the ministry (the manner) to which things were done to promote God's intent. The letter, that of ink and engraved on stone killeth because it is not in the heart. It is the letter that killeth because that which is and was written on it was not received.
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
(2Co 3:6-7 KJV)
This ministration, the giving of the Spirit was God's intention from the beginning. It was never suppose to be of the letter, that of ink and engraved on stone.
If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, ( to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.) it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word This commandment, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.) is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
(Deu 30:10-14)
It was Israel's idea to receive God's intention for them by ink and engraven letters on stone through man not God's.
And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
(Exo 20:19 KJV)
We say no more letter, no more letter it is done away with. That and the Tables of stone. Yet we still hold on to this form of ministry, our Bibles given by God through Man. Praise GOD, But the Spirit Speaketh,
"But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."
(1Jn 2:20,21,27 KJV)
"But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."
(1Jn 2:20,21,27 KJV)
It is from the ERV. Hang on, I may have to check that. Silly 5 minute rule.
Not the same translation - Sorry, This is from the New Living Translation (NLT)
Freedom from Rules and New Life in Christ
6 And now, just as you accepted Christ Jesus as your Lord, you must continue to follow him. 7 Let your roots grow down into him, and let your lives be built on him. Then your faith will grow strong in the truth you were taught, and you will overflow with thankfulness.
8 Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers[a] of this world, rather than from Christ. 9 For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. 10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.
11 When you came to Christ, you were “circumcised,” but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision—the cutting away of your sinful nature.[c] 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead.
13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed[d] the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross.
16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality. 18 Don’t let anyone condemn you by insisting on pious self-denial or the worship of angels,[e] saying they have had visions about these things. Their sinful minds have made them proud, 19 and they are not connected to Christ, the head of the body. For he holds the whole body together with its joints and ligaments, and it grows as God nourishes it.
20 You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as, 21 “Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”? 22 Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them. 23 These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires.
Freedom from Rules and New Life in Christ
6 And now, just as you accepted Christ Jesus as your Lord, you must continue to follow him. 7 Let your roots grow down into him, and let your lives be built on him. Then your faith will grow strong in the truth you were taught, and you will overflow with thankfulness.
8 Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers[a] of this world, rather than from Christ. 9 For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. 10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.
11 When you came to Christ, you were “circumcised,” but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision—the cutting away of your sinful nature.[c] 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead.
13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed[d] the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross.
16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality. 18 Don’t let anyone condemn you by insisting on pious self-denial or the worship of angels,[e] saying they have had visions about these things. Their sinful minds have made them proud, 19 and they are not connected to Christ, the head of the body. For he holds the whole body together with its joints and ligaments, and it grows as God nourishes it.
20 You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as, 21 “Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”? 22 Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them. 23 These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires.
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Why do you insist to add to the word things which are not there?
Moses told us WHY it is called the ministry of death, after this law was given, he made the people take an oath,
Whoever does not CONFIRM every word of this law by DOING them is under a curse.
Paul lets is know exactly what moses meant in Gal 3, when he insisted that all people who are under the law are cursed, why? Cursed is everyone who does not obey every word.
It is the ministry of death because EVERYONE who does not live up to that standard (including hou and me) are cursed by those commands, those commands are the ministry by whcih God condemns us, because why? Cursed is EVERYONE.
You want to water down the law like the pharisees. Feel free, but when you see God, he will hold you to HIS standard, and you better pray you took him up on his offer of grace, or that law you love to push, will confemn you where you stand.
Greetings lightbearer,
Looking at that translation there were"
"charges against them"
and
"according to the law"
The "charges against them" were due to sin/transgression of the Law
What was nailed to the cross were the "charges against them"
Not the "Law"
Justification was through the cross,
but the New Man is made by moving the "letter of the law" onto the hearts of the New Man. Same Law, BUT now according to the original intentions of Our Heavenly Father, In our hearts through His Holy Spirit!
SG
