Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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I almost put a red x on that one too, just for fun...
Do you disagree with me "lightbearer"?
Is it surprising that someone who works at the law and encourages everyone else to as well would disagree with someone whose Rest is in Christ?
No, not really. Do you whatever it is you think you must.
I don’t work at anything nor do I tell anybody to. It’s a shame you don’t know the gospel. For it is Christ in us that is the hope of glory. It is God Tj that works in us both to will and do his good pleasure. Course you would know nothing about that.I almost put a red x on that one too, just for fun...
Do you disagree with me "lightbearer"?
Is it surprising that someone who works at the law and encourages everyone else to as well would disagree with someone whose Rest is in Christ?
No, not really. Do you whatever it is you think you must.
I’m glad you understand that. Then it goes without saying you don’t judge others for the same reason. Ever.
That there is no such thing as the New Covenant?
Yes. I don't accept that.
You don't understand that our faith in Christ establishes the law and that IS the New Covenant.
I tried to show you. Seems pretty simple to me.
Are you just kidding right now?
You don't look to the 10 commandments to try and obey them in any way?
Not even that 4th one? The one about saturdays?
C'mon, man.
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I did once, but if you insist
2 Corinthians 3:7
[ Glory of the New Covenant ] But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
This can only be speaking of when moses walked down the mountain with the tablets of the ten commands.
ex 34: Now it was so, when Moses came down from Mount Sinai (and the two tablets of the Testimony were in Moses’ hand when he came down from the mountain), that Moses did not know that the skin of his face shone while he talked with Him. 30 So when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone, and they were afraid to come near him. 31 Then Moses called to them, and Aaron and all the rulers of the congregation returned to him; and Moses talked with them. 32 Afterward all the children of Israel came near, and he gave them as commandments all that the Lord had spoken with him on Mount Sinai.
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Wrong
It was references moses face when he came down from the mountain and his face glowed
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eternally-gratefull
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You establish it by making it come true
When you misinterpret it, you make it unestablished in your particular faith (or lack of)
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And you can tell us 100 times, and we will not accept it, because it is not true
I was addressing the significance of the phrase "ministry of death". Speaks to the action not the law itself.
Okay, it seems like the rest of the article could have supplied a better context to the small portion I quoted there (if you're ever interested in taking a look at the whole thing and commenting on that
... I doubt you will, but just putting it out there, in case you ever do. Would like to hear your thoughts on the overall point of the entire article. lol)[for the readers: just because the title of the article I posted at link (page 371 of this thread) uses the word "Perfection" in its title, does NOT mean the Subject being covered is Wesleyan Perfectionism, or the like. It isn't. Just to be clear!
]Oh, and one more thing:
"For even by the time you ought to be teachers, you have need of one to teach you again what is the beginning of the principles of the oracles of God; and you have become those having need of milk, and not of solid food." - Hebrews 5:12
Okay, it seems like the rest of the article could have supplied a better context to the small portion I quoted there (if you're ever interested in taking a look at the whole thing and commenting on that
[for the readers: just because the title of the article I posted at link (page 371 of this thread) uses the word "Perfection" in its title, does NOT mean the Subject being covered is Wesleyan Perfectionism, or the like. It isn't. Just to be clear!
Oh, and one more thing:
"For even by the time you ought to be teachers, you have need of one to teach you again what is the beginning of the principles of the oracles of God; and you have become those having need of milk, and not of solid food." - Hebrews 5:12
I`ll look at it sometime soon. I like to read commentaries.
Your reasoning is good: why would Jesus teach something that would not last long? This is an important question to which there is no conclusive answer. The Lord Jesus taught obedience to the Law of Moses and kept it as nobody had kept before, but in the end He nailed it to the cross.
After the resurrection and before the ascension Christ told His disciples to observe EVERYTHING He had taught them. OK, but remember that Jesus taught obedience to the scribes and Pharisees. You need more? OK, Jesus told the man who was cured of leprosy to offer a sacrifice. It is obvious that the commandment given by Jesus before the ascension was not eternal. In Acts we see that many disciples continued keeping the law of Moses, but the Council of Jerusalem (some 15 years after the cross) put and end to it.
If "we uphold the Law" means "we endorse obedience to the Law" then Paul is contradicting himself because he says otherwise in many other verses.
I think the Law of Moses still exists as a reference and must the treated with great respect, but Christians don't have to keep it. Paul and other apostles are very clear about it.
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Ministry of death WRITTEN IN STONE
Its quite simple, just take it as spoken, dont try to add meaning to it. Thats not there
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You mean wasting our time having to try to correct you?
In some matters we can judge. Not judging is often used as an excuse to compromise. However, I believe it is a grave mistake to think to onesself this person or that person is lost. No one knows who will make it and who won`t except God and some individuals who are real deal holy rollers
can know they themselves will make it. You yourself can never know what God will do with or for another person.That`s a good topic, thx for testing me with it. Almost makes me feel a little better about you. Almost
