Why do Dispensationalists teach Separation Theology?
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Hello Gentle-Warrior,
I was wondering where you might disagree with the following article:
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/reformed/israelaf.htm
"How is the Term Israel Used in the New Testament?"
Used 73x in the NT, … "The term “Israel” is either used of the nation or the people as a whole, or of the believing remnant within. It is never used of the Church in general or of Gentile believers in particular." [quote from conclusion of the article]
I was wondering where you might disagree with the following article:
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/reformed/israelaf.htm
"How is the Term Israel Used in the New Testament?"
Used 73x in the NT, … "The term “Israel” is either used of the nation or the people as a whole, or of the believing remnant within. It is never used of the Church in general or of Gentile believers in particular." [quote from conclusion of the article]
The Times of the Gentiles ended when Jerusalem was destroyed and the city was burned to the ground. That's the correct context of the scriptures. There is no reason to believe that modern and false Israel is somehow a continuation of what God judged as Jesus predicted in Mat. 23:34-39.
The Israel of God is and will always be a people of faith that are united to Christ via the Holy Spirit. No one belongs to God without having the Spirit of Christ in them (Ro. 8:9, Heb. 11:6).
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ok now i see. if you are calling modern israel false ok but on a secular level who do you want to support? peaceful israel who is striving for peace giving food to gazans who shoot missiles at them or people who say they wont stop until all jews are gone? in other words israel wants peace and has agreed to many concessions, israel's neighbors just want them dead and are evil and racist and have not made any concessions, only want war. if you support israel's racist neighbors that makes you supporting unrighteousness which is evil as well.
if i was in charge of israel i would just take over gaza, but they are more patient than me. enough is enough, their grace period has lasted so long.
if i was in charge of israel i would just take over gaza, but they are more patient than me. enough is enough, their grace period has lasted so long.
Which particular prophecies are you referring to?
You are correct from the standpoint that all believe that there are different "dispensations" in one sense. For instance, God was using the Mosaic Covenant as a type of the New Covenant with ancient Israel. He is no longer doing that, and ancient Israel is no longer bound to it.
However, what I am addressing is the position that Israelites and non-Israelites are somehow separate in God's sight and his intentions for them. That is why I use the phrase "separation theology".
I don't like their phrase "replacement theology" and instead insist that "fulfillment theology" is a more honest description of our position.
You are correct from the standpoint that all believe that there are different "dispensations" in one sense. For instance, God was using the Mosaic Covenant as a type of the New Covenant with ancient Israel. He is no longer doing that, and ancient Israel is no longer bound to it.
However, what I am addressing is the position that Israelites and non-Israelites are somehow separate in God's sight and his intentions for them. That is why I use the phrase "separation theology".
I don't like their phrase "replacement theology" and instead insist that "fulfillment theology" is a more honest description of our position.
I am not dispensationalist but I still support Israel as an ally, as long as their actions are reasonably moral.
For instance, I think it is reasonably moral for the Israeli government to bulldoze the family homes of terrorists if their families are praising their terrorist offspring or family members as heroes.
I wouldn't prefer Israel over a Christian nation in a similar position, though.
Additionally, we must keep in mind that Christians are persecuted sometimes in Israel, and there are Palestinian Christians who are treated poorly. I imagine they are much safer in Israel, though.
For instance, I think it is reasonably moral for the Israeli government to bulldoze the family homes of terrorists if their families are praising their terrorist offspring or family members as heroes.
I wouldn't prefer Israel over a Christian nation in a similar position, though.
Additionally, we must keep in mind that Christians are persecuted sometimes in Israel, and there are Palestinian Christians who are treated poorly. I imagine they are much safer in Israel, though.
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Scripture defines the words giving us his spiritual understanding.
All Israel is not born again Israel. A Jew is one inwardly born again of the Spirit of Christ. Not one outwardly pertaining to the flesh (no faith)
The word Israel is used to represent those born again . Previous named after a word that means faithless deceiver. Jacob .(no faith that alone comes from hearing God. . One who walks by sight flesh and blood against flesh and blood .The things seen against the things seen as in out of sight out of mind. .(no faith)
Genesis 32:28And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
No power no prevail
The new name he purposed according to the meaning of the world is Israel the one bride of Christ the church. .No longer called Jacob. In Isaiah he promise to renamed his wife called Israel and fulfilled that promise naming her Christian in Acts. A word that means residents of the city of Christ named after her husband Christ .The city coming down on the last day
Having the born again power to prevail. Previously no power. . . no faith. (not little none. . the deceiver, Jacob)
Isaiah 62 For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. ...
The promised new final name of His bride the church."Christians"
Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Scripture defines the words giving us his spiritual understanding.
All Israel is not born again Israel. A Jew is one inwardly born again of the Spirit of Christ. Not one outwardly pertaining to the flesh (no faith)
The word Israel is used to represent those born again . Previous named after a word that means faithless deceiver. Jacob .(no faith that alone comes from hearing God. . One who walks by sight flesh and blood against flesh and blood .The things seen against the things seen as in out of sight out of mind. .(no faith)
Genesis 32:28And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
No power no prevail
The new name he purposed according to the meaning of the world is Israel the one bride of Christ the church. .No longer called Jacob. In Isaiah he promise to renamed his wife called Israel and fulfilled that promise naming her Christian in Acts. A word that means residents of the city of Christ named after her husband Christ .The city coming down on the last day
Having the born again power to prevail. Previously no power. . . no faith. (not little none. . the deceiver, Jacob)
Isaiah 62 For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. ...
The promised new final name of His bride the church."Christians"
Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
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Yes and still remain male even though we are called the bride. The females remain female . We know no person after the flesh.
Yes and fulfilled the one people real-estate. They did not keep up there side of the bargain. It ended with David, God's choice. Not the rebels choice.
Yes one nation was used to represent all of mankind in types as shadows. Using the temporal seen as a form of paganism until the time of reformation.
God gave them over temporally to do that which should not of been demanded. "Give us a king" like that of the surrounding pagan nation that have no faith that alone comes from hearing God.
God giving over the faithless Jew that were used to represent natural unconverted mankind. The time of reformation had come. . . removing the temporal as a parable for the time when there was kings in Israel (a pagan or gentile design) .
We must use the proper prescription when rightly dividing the parables if we are seeking His approval. He has not left us as orphans with interpretation tools..
2 Corinthians 4:18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
The temporal revealing the unseen eternal that stood in the place of abomination of desolation . When the word it is finished came . . .the veil was rent the graves were opened returning to the restored order of government before their were pagan kings.. rendering it useless as something to feast eyes on a time period long gone. Like antique road show today. Interesting artifacts as shadow of the unseen eternal but no substance. . .. our new incorruptible bodies neither male not female Jew nor gentile ..
Yes and fulfilled the one people real-estate. They did not keep up there side of the bargain. It ended with David, God's choice. Not the rebels choice.
Yes one nation was used to represent all of mankind in types as shadows. Using the temporal seen as a form of paganism until the time of reformation.
God gave them over temporally to do that which should not of been demanded. "Give us a king" like that of the surrounding pagan nation that have no faith that alone comes from hearing God.
God giving over the faithless Jew that were used to represent natural unconverted mankind. The time of reformation had come. . . removing the temporal as a parable for the time when there was kings in Israel (a pagan or gentile design) .
We must use the proper prescription when rightly dividing the parables if we are seeking His approval. He has not left us as orphans with interpretation tools..
2 Corinthians 4:18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
The temporal revealing the unseen eternal that stood in the place of abomination of desolation . When the word it is finished came . . .the veil was rent the graves were opened returning to the restored order of government before their were pagan kings.. rendering it useless as something to feast eyes on a time period long gone. Like antique road show today. Interesting artifacts as shadow of the unseen eternal but no substance. . .. our new incorruptible bodies neither male not female Jew nor gentile ..
Revelation 1:1 -
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him [/unto Jesus], to shew unto his servants [see 7:3] things which must come to pass [see 1:19c/4:1] IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]…"
["IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" not things which would unfold over the course of some 2000 years, nor "immediately/soon [ADVERBS]"... the same "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" told of in Lk18:8 ("AVENGE in quickness," not happening NOW) and Romans 16:20 (also not taking place in the NOW, but WILL...in the future, specific, limited time-period being spoken of [/prophesied of] in these CONTEXTS
)--recall how "prophecy" works...]
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him [/unto Jesus], to shew unto his servants [see 7:3] things which must come to pass [see 1:19c/4:1] IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]…"
["IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" not things which would unfold over the course of some 2000 years, nor "immediately/soon [ADVERBS]"... the same "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" told of in Lk18:8 ("AVENGE in quickness," not happening NOW) and Romans 16:20 (also not taking place in the NOW, but WILL...in the future, specific, limited time-period being spoken of [/prophesied of] in these CONTEXTS
)--recall how "prophecy" works...]
So, what's your point in saying all that? You seem to have fallen short in your conclusion.
