Galatian Conundrums

[Whispered]

Just a small correction here if you will. My corrections are addressed to that which I underlined in your post and excerpted below.
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However, after Saul was converted to Paul and began preaching Christ, the other apostles began to see that he was indeed the 12th apostle, and the replacement for Judas Iscariot."

Corrections in order.
Saul was not converted to Paul. Saul was referred to as Saul after the Damascus road encounter.
The Book of Acts chapter 13 and verse 2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.


Saul was not chosen nor accepted by the Apostles as the 12th Apostle. Matthias replaced Judas.
The Book of Acs chapter 1 and 23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

There is no scripture wherein it is stated the Lord converted Saul's name to Paul.

Adding to my post there, it should be said that the Apostles who served with the living Christ did not appoint, nor anoint Saul as an Apostle. Therefore he was not considered in their number as a fellow Apostle. Saul , who some call Paul, informed us of this in his letter to the church in Galatia. That no mortal conferred upon Paul the Apostle title because Paul's ministry began before he encountered the Apostles three years after the Damascus road encounter.

The Book of Galatians chapter 1 verse 1. Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

 

[RickStudies]

You can of course, and I am glad you are seeing this too. I am just asking you, "Where did you learn this from"? I am fairly sure Baptist churches do not preach this, unless they have really changed.

It`s a bone you can`t let go of isn`t it? I`m a Baptist Berean Charismatic Apostolic Quaker Assembly Mountain New Covenant believer.

 

[Guojing]

It`s a bone you can`t let go of isn`t it? I`m a Baptist Berean Charismatic Apostolic Quaker Assembly Mountain New Covenant believer.

No, as I have said, if you decline to answer, I am fine.

 

[RickStudies]

No, as I have said, if you decline to answer, I am fine.

I gave you a detailed answer

 

[Guojing]

I gave you a detailed answer

I did not recall you stating that you learn it from the preaching of that Baptist church.

 

[RickStudies]

I did not recall you stating that you learn it from the preaching of that Baptist church.

No I never said I did. There is a post where I mentioned visiting a dispensationalist church. They considered themselves Bereans which is an idea that I liked and has dominated my search for truth ever since.

 

[Guojing]

No I never said I did. There is a post where I mentioned visiting a dispensationalist church. They considered themselves Bereans which is an idea that I liked and has dominated my search for truth ever since.

I see, since you mention the term Bereans, they probably have their roots from the Berean Bible Society, thus it means they take Cornelius R Stam as their main teacher.

Now you are clear.

 

[Mii]

I may add some more tomorrow as it is late but I feel it necessary to point out that none of us "have arrived" in our own understandings and that everything is not yet said and done as per scripture. I personally find Acts 10:10-16 important to note in that things were still being revealed to Peter and that it isn't usually (if ever) a great epiphany across the board (unless you count the gift of salvation)...we are all maturing at different rates in different ways. He didn't get it at the time that salvation was extended to the gentiles and the Lord made it clear...through his design and timing.

There are plenty of things that have not yet been revealed. Or at least the understanding thereof has not been "made full" to the body at large, or to anyone. Like what a glorified body will be.

I realize this is obvious but there is much we do not yet "know" so to say that we have "everything" would be incorrect in a sense and correct in a sense. As I firmly believe that what has necessary has been written just not fully "realized" in time. Depending on how you view revelatory knowledge and how time "can" be understood (at least to the possibility of point of views that show our limitations clearly).

Posted just to inject that I sometimes speak publicly about private interpretations that 5 years later I understand a little more fully and am able to come to agreement in the spirit with others when I more fully understand what I was scratching at in the first place.
so at times (this seems like a good instance) it makes sense to let a topic drop, take a step back and reassess how I am coming across. Not specifically at OP but in general, I actually very much like discussing the OP verse and related verses but find it difficult to come to agreement with others about it at present. I certainly don't think I understand, just that it is vague and it's been opened up to me a lot over the past year and it's useful to know that other people are focusing on it also.



This discussion has seemingly become a "tad" discordant.

 

[garee]

Adding to my post there, it should be said that the Apostles who served with the living Christ did not appoint, nor anoint Saul as an Apostle. Therefore he was not considered in their number as a fellow Apostle. Saul , who some call Paul, informed us of this in his letter to the church in Galatia. That no mortal conferred upon Paul the Apostle title because Paul's ministry began before he encountered the Apostles three years after the Damascus road encounter.

The Book of Galatians chapter 1 verse 1. Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

The word apostle with no other meaning simply means "sent one" Paul was not of the number 12 a remnant of all. It did not make him any less of a apostle

 

[posthuman]

That is the Gospel of the Kingdom, to believe in the identity of Jesus. That was for the Jews to believe only.

if that is so, why is Jesus here revealing His identity to a Gentile, causing her to believe?

When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Will you give Me a drink?” (His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.) The Samaritan woman said to Him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.) Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and Who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked Him and He would have given you living water.”​

(John 4:7-10)​

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The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When He comes, He will explain everything to us.”​

Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you — I AM”​

(John 4:25-26)​

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[posthuman]

I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:
for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;
to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
(Romans 1:16)
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"the gospel" is singular. and it's the gospel: τὸ εὐαγγέλιον
it is the gospel to every person who believes: both Jewish first and Greek also.

 

[posthuman]

How does John 3:16 not reflect the gospel message?

Some would say it succinctly encapsulates it...

i'd say John 3:14-15 shouldn't be left out

as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:​

that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.​

just as the brazen serpent was lifted up - that all to look to it were granted life

 

[Guojing]

if that is so, why is Jesus here revealing His identity to a Gentile, causing her to believe?

When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Will you give Me a drink?” (His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.) The Samaritan woman said to Him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.) Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and Who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked Him and He would have given you living water.”​

(John 4:7-10)​

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​

The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When He comes, He will explain everything to us.”​

Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you — I AM”​

(John 4:25-26)​

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Samaritans are actually half Jews half Gentiles.

In the Gospel of the Kingdom, the Gentiles could be saved, but only thru the Jews (Genesis 12:3).

Examples include Rahab, who was saved because she hid the Jewish spies, the Roman Centurion, who helped the Jews build the synagogue, and the Canaanite lady, who ask to eat the crumbs that fell from the Jewish children's bread.

 

[posthuman]

Bad logic there. The gospel Jesus preached came before Paul and Paul`s gospel also came from Jesus.
You apparantly don`t understand what Jesus gospel was.

let me get this straight:

you think Jesus preached two different gospels, one to the first 12 apostles, and then a different one to Paul, also His apostle?
and Paul writes of the gospel He received from Christ - that it is one gospel to the Jews first, then also to the Gentiles ((re: Romans 1:16)), and also that any other gospel is no gospel at all & anyone preaching it is anathema ((re: Galatians 1:9))?
so you have Jesus first preaching a false gospel to the 12, then a true gospel to Paul which makes Jesus and all His disciples accursed?

 

[RickStudies]

let me get this straight:

you think Jesus preached two different gospels, one to the first 12 apostles, and then a different one to Paul, also His apostle?
and Paul writes of the gospel He received from Christ - that it is one gospel to the Jews first, then also to the Gentiles ((re: Romans 1:16)), and also that any other gospel is no gospel at all & anyone preaching it is anathema ((re: Galatians 1:9))?
so you have Jesus first preaching a false gospel to the 12, then a true gospel to Paul which makes Jesus and all His disciples accursed?

More time wasting remarks as you work to take us back through issues that have already been discussed. Go read the posts if you really want to discuss.

 

[posthuman]

Samaritans are actually half Jews half Gentiles.

In the Gospel of the Kingdom, the Gentiles could be saved, but only thru the Jews (Genesis 12:3).

Examples include Rahab, who was saved because she hid the Jewish spies, the Roman Centurion, who helped the Jews build the synagogue, and the Canaanite lady, who ask to eat the crumbs that fell from the Jewish children's bread.

'partially-Jew' is not Jew.

so you've got many examples of non-Jews receiving knowledge of God by the same, unique gospel.
this seems to contradict, rather than support your statement that the knowledge of the identity of Christ was 'for Jews only'

 

[posthuman]

More time wasting remarks as you work to take us back through issues that have already been discussed. Go read the posts if you really want to discuss.

uh yeah, thanks for clarifying??

 

[RickStudies]

uh yeah, thanks for clarifying??

You`ve been following this thread since it began. I know what you do and so do you.

 

[posthuman]

You`ve been following this thread since it began. I know what you do and so do you.

i missed practically everything from yesterday, many pages. am trying to work through those this morning.
you were a lot more polite under your other login

 

[Guojing]

'partially-Jew' is not Jew.

so you've got many examples of non-Jews receiving knowledge of God by the same, unique gospel.
this seems to contradict, rather than support your statement that the knowledge of the identity of Christ was 'for Jews only'

Jesus himself already clearly stated in Matthew 15:2 "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

He even told his 12 disciples in Matt 10:5-6 "Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

If you don't want to accept that, that is your prerogative.