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Like he needs protecting... yeah right!!
I havent read the current accusations against him... but he is more than capable of defending himself.
Though I am sure our brother appreciates when others provide some honesty about him opposed to the daily twists of those who do not have his best interest at heart...
As his brother I can say brother "dcon" is a generous loving man who is soft on the inside because God made him that way.
He is a man who can be likened to a soldier though and has faced many hard times, he is blunt and to the point when the issue is important to him and will apologize from his heart if he is given reproof that rings true.
He loves to share what God has shown him and will return true respect with true respect.
Though... he will not respect fake respect at all and in his effort to stand for truth will call it out as such if he believes in his heart he is dealing with someone manipulative.
I fully expect to see this man in heaven and maybe before then, God willing.
(my character witness... no effort to protect and i say this with a clean heart and evidence to back up my words...once being someone who accused him falsely)
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Okay listen Mr. Mac since you keep bringing this up to me ... this is how I see it, I rather learn from someone who may be rough around
the edges, so to speak, who teaches truth of the Gospel of Grace in Christ Jesus than someone who teaches a false gospel.
If a person has a false gospel then they have nothing to offer be they nice or nasty.
the edges, so to speak, who teaches truth of the Gospel of Grace in Christ Jesus than someone who teaches a false gospel.
If a person has a false gospel then they have nothing to offer be they nice or nasty.
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I quoted DC
He called me a liar
I posted documentation
People cried foul because I challenged his position
What he said was REALLY bad theology.
He never gave scriptural backing when challenged on it. And if anyone challenges DCs position, he has numerous people to fight his battle for him
End of story
He called me a liar
I posted documentation
People cried foul because I challenged his position
What he said was REALLY bad theology.
He never gave scriptural backing when challenged on it. And if anyone challenges DCs position, he has numerous people to fight his battle for him
End of story
Jude 1:4. Nuff said.
Preaching license to sin while denying preaching such a thing.
Here is one headhuncho heretic leading possibly millions of people to damnation, Charles Stanley openly letting the cat out of the bag:
Compare this to what saith the Scriptures, which have already been rejected by the OSAS-advocates, or turned on their heads, or made null and void.
Its about misunderstanding what faith is. In the Scriptures (not in your imagination) FAITH works by love, FAITH produces fruit, FAITH is action, FAITH is always tied to obedience. In the New Testament and in the Old Testament.
One example:
Hebrews 3:10-14 Therefore I was displeased with that generation, and said, ‘They always err in their heart, but they didn’t know my ways;’ as I swore in my wrath, ‘They will not enter into my rest.’” Beware, brothers, lest perhaps there be in any one of you an evil heart of unbelief, in falling away from the living God; but exhort one another day by day, so long as it is called “today”; lest any one of you be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our confidence firm to the end:
The Tanakh is written for us to learn from, Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles says to them that these are written for our learning. Don't murmur like the Israelites did.
Hebrews 3:18-19 To whom did he swear that they wouldn’t enter into his rest, but to those who were disobedient? We see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief.
John 3:36 One who believes in the Son has eternal life, but one who disobeys the Son won’t see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”
Disobedience and believing, again correlated. There are countless warnings in the Scriptures about falling way, remain steadfast, hold fast, be not deceived...... yet all of these are nullified and made empty threats if OSAS taken to its logical conclusion. There is a reason this teaching is foreign to church history.
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There is eternal life, in the present. Its in His Son. Jesus Christ:
1Jn 5:11 The testimony is this, that God gave to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
However: We must abide in the vine, or there is no eternal life in us. Our eternal life is a future event, despite the Scriptures speaking of it in some instances in the present, because if we are abiding in the Son, we have eternal life. But there are verses showing this is something to be actualized in the future:
Mat 25:46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
1Jn 2:25 This is the promise which he promised us, the eternal life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
What we have established is that eternal life is in the Son, and the Son tells us to abide in Him, and if we do not abide, we do not have life, because life is only in the Son. That should be clear cut. But with all the americanized OSAS believers using calvinist arguments while arguing against calvinism, we hear catchphrases like "You are trying to save yourself" "Jesus isnt strong enough to keep you saved" "Jesus needs your help" "You cant be unborn once you're born again".
All these above are just catchphrases, nobody is saying anything about nothing. All we are doing is trying to faithfully follow what the Scriptures teach, and what the Apostles and our Lord Jesus Christ said. If the Scriptures say:
Heb 12:14 Follow after peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no man will see the Lord,
Heb 12:15 looking carefully lest there be any man who falls short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and many be defiled by it;
Heb 12:16 lest there be any sexually immoral person, or profane person, like Esau, who sold his birthright for one meal.
Heb 12:17 For you know that even when he afterward desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for a change of mind though he sought it diligently with tears.
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.
1Jn 2:6 he who says he remains in him ought himself also to walk just like he walked.
Can we then say that those who say "You should walk in the light, and the blood of Jesus Christ will then cleanse you from all sin. You should walk as He walked if you claim to remain in Him. hoever doesn’t do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn’t love his brother. . He who does God's will remains forever, world is passing away with its lusts, anyone who loves the world the Father's love is not in them." are teaching works salvation, trying to help Jesus save them, have a weak inept God? Certainly not! We are simply just repeating what the BIBLE teaches. Not what OSAS philosophy twists the Bible into.
Facts are, if OSAS was true, most of the New Testament would not be needed, all the warnings would be irrelevant because nobody needs to be dilligent, since nobody is in danger of not making it to the promised land, deception is not a danger, since nobody can fall away from the faith. (Even though the Bible says people fall away from the faith, but hey, thats just means outward church goers, they were fakers never saved to begin with, or are still saved in heresy, take your pick. Lets misquote They went out from among us because they were not of us, talking about gnostics in context)
1Ti 4:1 But the Spirit says expressly that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,
Can you fall away from the faith, without first being in the faith? Can you depart from the living God, without first being with the living God?
Prayerfully consider this, please. Do NOT spread the OSAS doctrine any further, look at the results it has brought forth within Christendom during its short hundred years of being preached.
This is not to say we do not have security of salvation. Paul told us to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith or not.
Preaching license to sin while denying preaching such a thing.
Here is one headhuncho heretic leading possibly millions of people to damnation, Charles Stanley openly letting the cat out of the bag:
Compare this to what saith the Scriptures, which have already been rejected by the OSAS-advocates, or turned on their heads, or made null and void.
Its about misunderstanding what faith is. In the Scriptures (not in your imagination) FAITH works by love, FAITH produces fruit, FAITH is action, FAITH is always tied to obedience. In the New Testament and in the Old Testament.
One example:
Hebrews 3:10-14 Therefore I was displeased with that generation, and said, ‘They always err in their heart, but they didn’t know my ways;’ as I swore in my wrath, ‘They will not enter into my rest.’” Beware, brothers, lest perhaps there be in any one of you an evil heart of unbelief, in falling away from the living God; but exhort one another day by day, so long as it is called “today”; lest any one of you be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our confidence firm to the end:
The Tanakh is written for us to learn from, Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles says to them that these are written for our learning. Don't murmur like the Israelites did.
Hebrews 3:18-19 To whom did he swear that they wouldn’t enter into his rest, but to those who were disobedient? We see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief.
John 3:36 One who believes in the Son has eternal life, but one who disobeys the Son won’t see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”
Disobedience and believing, again correlated. There are countless warnings in the Scriptures about falling way, remain steadfast, hold fast, be not deceived...... yet all of these are nullified and made empty threats if OSAS taken to its logical conclusion. There is a reason this teaching is foreign to church history.
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There is eternal life, in the present. Its in His Son. Jesus Christ:
1Jn 5:11 The testimony is this, that God gave to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
However: We must abide in the vine, or there is no eternal life in us. Our eternal life is a future event, despite the Scriptures speaking of it in some instances in the present, because if we are abiding in the Son, we have eternal life. But there are verses showing this is something to be actualized in the future:
Mat 25:46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
1Jn 2:25 This is the promise which he promised us, the eternal life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
What we have established is that eternal life is in the Son, and the Son tells us to abide in Him, and if we do not abide, we do not have life, because life is only in the Son. That should be clear cut. But with all the americanized OSAS believers using calvinist arguments while arguing against calvinism, we hear catchphrases like "You are trying to save yourself" "Jesus isnt strong enough to keep you saved" "Jesus needs your help" "You cant be unborn once you're born again".
All these above are just catchphrases, nobody is saying anything about nothing. All we are doing is trying to faithfully follow what the Scriptures teach, and what the Apostles and our Lord Jesus Christ said. If the Scriptures say:
Heb 12:14 Follow after peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no man will see the Lord,
Heb 12:15 looking carefully lest there be any man who falls short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and many be defiled by it;
Heb 12:16 lest there be any sexually immoral person, or profane person, like Esau, who sold his birthright for one meal.
Heb 12:17 For you know that even when he afterward desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for a change of mind though he sought it diligently with tears.
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.
1Jn 2:6 he who says he remains in him ought himself also to walk just like he walked.
Can we then say that those who say "You should walk in the light, and the blood of Jesus Christ will then cleanse you from all sin. You should walk as He walked if you claim to remain in Him. hoever doesn’t do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn’t love his brother. . He who does God's will remains forever, world is passing away with its lusts, anyone who loves the world the Father's love is not in them." are teaching works salvation, trying to help Jesus save them, have a weak inept God? Certainly not! We are simply just repeating what the BIBLE teaches. Not what OSAS philosophy twists the Bible into.
Facts are, if OSAS was true, most of the New Testament would not be needed, all the warnings would be irrelevant because nobody needs to be dilligent, since nobody is in danger of not making it to the promised land, deception is not a danger, since nobody can fall away from the faith. (Even though the Bible says people fall away from the faith, but hey, thats just means outward church goers, they were fakers never saved to begin with, or are still saved in heresy, take your pick. Lets misquote They went out from among us because they were not of us, talking about gnostics in context)
1Ti 4:1 But the Spirit says expressly that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,
Can you fall away from the faith, without first being in the faith? Can you depart from the living God, without first being with the living God?
Prayerfully consider this, please. Do NOT spread the OSAS doctrine any further, look at the results it has brought forth within Christendom during its short hundred years of being preached.
This is not to say we do not have security of salvation. Paul told us to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith or not.
Your parents sound wise sis😏
One thing my mom taught me was to not be ashamed to use the word love when you mean it, and try to say it often to those you love because we are not promised tomorrow...
I love all my brothers and sisters here even if I am not as active....
I am always grateful when I come back and see those who have grown with me over the years still shining light on God and giving HIM praise
One thing my mom taught me was to not be ashamed to use the word love when you mean it, and try to say it often to those you love because we are not promised tomorrow...
I love all my brothers and sisters here even if I am not as active....
I am always grateful when I come back and see those who have grown with me over the years still shining light on God and giving HIM praise
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@TooFastTurtle no one here would ever claim there is some license given to sin..... if there was a license it would mean permission...
then God wouldn't chasten His own children....
But God chastens EVERY one of His children when we sin... in order for correction so that we are more fruitful and He can be pleased (does not change the fact His children are His and He will not lose one)
then God wouldn't chasten His own children....
But God chastens EVERY one of His children when we sin... in order for correction so that we are more fruitful and He can be pleased (does not change the fact His children are His and He will not lose one)
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Wrong .. you are the one with the false accusations.
https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4021209
And on your Corinthian verse challenge later.... I have work to do and I blame you for my negligence .... just kidding!!!
But I will look at it ...maybe... we will see how the wind blows.
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The easy-believism OSAS people are actually closet gnostics, without even knowing it.
The way I have seen them twist 1 Cor. 6:9-11 is that since they are now believers, they were washed, but obviously they didn't stop doing those things. That would be works salvation right? So they are made POSITIONALLY righteous, while in fact they remain UNRIGHTEOUS.
Let me assure you, God is not playing games.
You mix two teachings together and you got yourself last days apostasy:
1. You can't repent
2. You are eternally secure in your sins.
The facts are they are quick to backtrack when you point out the obvious conclusions of their beliefs. Things such as:
"God disciplines and chastises people. We are not teaching you can just live in sin and be saved"
"A true believer will eventually make a break through"
These usually come out only when they are on the backfoot. Before this, they were saying what Charles said in the video I posted, that yes, you can live in all kinds of sin, and you can never out sin God's grace. What do you think the viewer at home is going to think? I let you decide.
My question again is: WHEN. WHEN does the sin stop? And Neither Macabeus, myself, or any other person is claiming to be sinlessly perfect. But again, there are willful sins, and unwillful sins, as I have demonstrated on about page 4000 if I recall correctly on this thread. Obviously the clear verses from Numbers were rejected by the OSAS advocates in favor of their "Its all sin, you've broken one law thats it. You've stolen now you might as well commit adultery as well".
Its true that if you have sinned once, you are a lawbreaker, and no amount of returning to obedience will change that fact. This does not mean: All sin is equal, and everyone who has studied the Tanakh knows this, the punishments for sins were different. Which is why even in the New Testament John talks about sins UNTO DEATH, that you should not pray for, these would be open, willful, rebellion against God.
Jesus says to look upon a woman to lust after her is adultery in your heart. This is true. But let me ask you, which is worse, lusting after someone or actually commiting adultery? Anyone with half a brain knows, commiting adultery is way worse, because you are a homewrecker, destroying someone's life, whereas with lusting you are only destroying yourself.
So what sins must stop? 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21. The Apostle Paul writing under the inspiration of God's Spirit says it loud and clear, be not deceived, people who are practicing these things WILL NOT inherit the kingdom. Surprisingly, the things that Paul says "be not deceived" are the ones that the devil is actively deceiving people on. This in itself is proof of the Bible being divinely inspired.
Don't let anyone fool you into thinking you will be saved and not inherit the kingdom, the kingdom is where the KING is. If you are not with the KING, you are in the lake of FIRE.
The way I have seen them twist 1 Cor. 6:9-11 is that since they are now believers, they were washed, but obviously they didn't stop doing those things. That would be works salvation right? So they are made POSITIONALLY righteous, while in fact they remain UNRIGHTEOUS.
Let me assure you, God is not playing games.
You mix two teachings together and you got yourself last days apostasy:
1. You can't repent
2. You are eternally secure in your sins.
The facts are they are quick to backtrack when you point out the obvious conclusions of their beliefs. Things such as:
"God disciplines and chastises people. We are not teaching you can just live in sin and be saved"
"A true believer will eventually make a break through"
These usually come out only when they are on the backfoot. Before this, they were saying what Charles said in the video I posted, that yes, you can live in all kinds of sin, and you can never out sin God's grace. What do you think the viewer at home is going to think? I let you decide.
My question again is: WHEN. WHEN does the sin stop? And Neither Macabeus, myself, or any other person is claiming to be sinlessly perfect. But again, there are willful sins, and unwillful sins, as I have demonstrated on about page 4000 if I recall correctly on this thread. Obviously the clear verses from Numbers were rejected by the OSAS advocates in favor of their "Its all sin, you've broken one law thats it. You've stolen now you might as well commit adultery as well".
Its true that if you have sinned once, you are a lawbreaker, and no amount of returning to obedience will change that fact. This does not mean: All sin is equal, and everyone who has studied the Tanakh knows this, the punishments for sins were different. Which is why even in the New Testament John talks about sins UNTO DEATH, that you should not pray for, these would be open, willful, rebellion against God.
Jesus says to look upon a woman to lust after her is adultery in your heart. This is true. But let me ask you, which is worse, lusting after someone or actually commiting adultery? Anyone with half a brain knows, commiting adultery is way worse, because you are a homewrecker, destroying someone's life, whereas with lusting you are only destroying yourself.
So what sins must stop? 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21. The Apostle Paul writing under the inspiration of God's Spirit says it loud and clear, be not deceived, people who are practicing these things WILL NOT inherit the kingdom. Surprisingly, the things that Paul says "be not deceived" are the ones that the devil is actively deceiving people on. This in itself is proof of the Bible being divinely inspired.
Don't let anyone fool you into thinking you will be saved and not inherit the kingdom, the kingdom is where the KING is. If you are not with the KING, you are in the lake of FIRE.
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