Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[RickStudies]

do you believe anyone has salvation, or only a hope that maybe they will receive it on the last day?
what do you believe is necessary to secure that hope?
what do you believe would be necessary to actually have salvation?

I believe the gospel. Mostly, you three guys have issue with me because you don`t like what the scriptures I posted up say.

Once again the Bible tells us Jesus had to shed His blood in order for mans sins to be forgiven. That`s past, present and future sin.
An the difference between salvation after Pentecost and before is the earnest of the Spirit which is a down payment on our redemption at the 1st ressurrection.

Since this isn`t the first time I posted this it`s written better then it was before when I posted about Pre Pentecost first and Post Pentecost second. But same point, same info.

All this bothers you three for some reason which usually means some kind of doctrine error that overlooks sins.

 

[PS]

I believe the gospel. Mostly, you three guys have issue with me because you don`t like what the scriptures I posted up say.

Once again the Bible tells us Jesus had to shed His blood in order for mans sins to be forgiven. That`s past, present and future sin.
An the difference between salvation after Pentecost and before is the earnest of the Spirit which is a down payment on our redemption at the 1st ressurrection.

Since this isn`t the first time I posted this it`s written better then it was before when I posted about Pre Pentecost first and Post Pentecost second. But same point, same info.

All this bothers you three for some reason which usually means some kind of doctrine error that overlooks sins.

Have you got scriptures that say nobody was saved till the coming of the Comforter?

Remember the Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus at his baptism.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I believe the gospel. Mostly, you three guys have issue with me because you don`t like what the scriptures I posted up say.

Once again the Bible tells us Jesus had to shed His blood in order for mans sins to be forgiven. That`s past, present and future sin.
An the difference between salvation after Pentecost and before is the earnest of the Spirit which is a down payment on our redemption at the 1st ressurrection.

Since this isn`t the first time I posted this it`s written better then it was before when I posted about Pre Pentecost first and Post Pentecost second. But same point, same info.

All this bothers you three for some reason which usually means some kind of doctrine error that overlooks sins.

See there you go assuming again

This is not my problem with you at all

You have a guilty conscience or something, because you see things which are not there

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Have you got scriptures that say nobody was saved till the coming of the Comforter?

Remember the Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus at his baptism.

Abraham was saved when he was declared righteous by God in gen 15, he was saved by faith, actually scripture states he technically was saved before time began, based on gods foreknowledge,

 

[RickStudies]

As the Word and Spirit have given me

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets I am not come to destroy (the law) but to fulfil (the prophecies written of Jesus within the first 5 books of the bible called "the law")

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

NOT TO DESTROY THE LAW OR THE PROPHETS, BUT COME TO FULFILL THE PROPHECIES WRITTEN WITH IN THEM


EVERYTHING written in the Law given to Moses will always be part of that law. That said, being a part of that law, doesn't mean it can never be a part of another law, a better law, a lighter free-er law.

I have seen it explained as "till all the law be fulfilled" but that makes no sense as Jesus as some law can only be "obeyed", it can't be fulfilled as prophecy is fulfilled, not obeyed.

Luke 24:44 And He said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses and in the prophets and in the psalms, concerning me.

JESUS ONLY HAD TO FULFILL THE THINGS WRITTEN CONCERNING HIM, AND THE THINGS CONCERNING HIM, WERE WRITTEN

The Old Testament was divided into the three divisions of "the law, the prophets, and the psalms".

JESUS DID NOT HAVE TO FULFILL ANYTHING WRITTEN THAT WAS NOT PROPHECY CONCERNING HIM, HE STILL HAD TO OBEY THE LAW IN ITS INTENDED PURPOSE, WITH LOVE.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day
Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.


WHAT IS THE MESSAGE FROM JESUS "REPENTANCE AND REMISSION OF SIN" no more bondage to sin and death, no more curse, no more break one break all, AND death. HIS BLOOD SHED, NEW COVENANT, REPENT, HAVE YOUR SIN TAKEN AWAY, BE WASHED CLEAN,

how many times did God tell us to forgive in one day? how many times are we to ask for forgiveness? "GIVE US THIS DAY OUR DAILY BREAD AND FORGIVE US...." FOR LIFE.

I have heard it explained other ways but through study and prayer it was given me

The commandments God wrote on the tablets of stone are now written upon our hearts and minds and doesn't matter if they were ever a part of the law of Moses, the commands of God are eternal, natural for a holy society.

I have heard, "law of Moses" was" one and can not be divided" and as such.....I gotta tell you, I have no idea what that is really all about. I have an idea it "must" be put forth that way to support some "theory". I am not saying is does or doesn't I am saying it doesn't matter if it was one or not, It has become null and void as it "was", and has been rendered to us in its new form.

The New Covenant only "contains" PARTS of the old. God took away parts that were against us. Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies for that time that had been written in them. Jesus gave us more intense commands because now it is not only physical, it is emotional and mental as well.

For me the logic of some "explanations" is just.....NON SEQUITUR - latin "it does not follow" "a statement that does not follow logically from what has gone on before".

Not all explanations make it as Gods truth. And when you read something and scratch you head and think "that doesn't make sense" it probably doesn't, except possibly to someone using it to "support" something else.


If it is through faith in Jesus you have received the gifts including salvation, and through His blood shed, as the Lamb of God we can now, without any ceremony or an animal sacrifice, or any man priest, or a special day, prayerfully repent for our sin, then He is faithful to forgive us and washed clean are now free to walk right into the holy of holies and talk to Our Father. Jesus paid an awesome price to set us free from all the parts of the law that bound us to death. We now find life with Jesus as our High Priest. living as best we can under Grace. Never again will we be bound to sin and death. Jesus defeated death. Oh death where is thy sting? Gone, baby Gone.

Let me share a few things with you. I won`t copy and paste scriptures right now to save time. I don`t think you need me to do that.

The Laws of Moses covered 3 things: the land, the government of the land and the people. The Laws that were repeated as commands in the time of Grace and/or time of the Gentiles are Laws that pertain to individual behavior. These things are called the righteousness of the Law by Paul in the epistles and these are things the children of God are challenged to obey in Paul`s gospel.

Because of Adam all human beings are tainted and none call keep the Law perfectly. We are born already sinners. The only exception is Jesus Christ who was not born under Adams curse and went on to become the only man to keep the Law perfectly. This qualified Jesus to inherit the covenant and all it`s promises. That`s why everything belongs to Jesus and when Jesus becomes our Lord and Savior we obtain an inheritance as well through Him.

As Gentiles grafted into the Tree we are adopted into God`s family becoming like Israel, children of Abraham. Gentiles are adopted at the Isaac generation which of course predates the covenant containing the Law of Moses.

That`s why Gentiles in the church weren`t bound to keep the Law of Moses and why it wasn`t kosher to try and make them keep it.

All this is in your Bible.

 

[RickStudies]

Abraham was saved when he was declared righteous by God in gen 15, he was saved by faith, actually scripture states he technically was saved before time began, based on gods foreknowledge,

I`ve never had anybody fight me over the blood of Jesus before. This is interesting. I guess it interferes with your OSAS ideology.

 

[PS]

Abraham was saved when he was declared righteous by God in gen 15, he was saved by faith, actually scripture states he technically was saved before time began, based on gods foreknowledge,

Is being righteous the same as being saved?

 

[DeighAnn]

Having ALREADY established that salvation only comes through faith THEREFORE PAST the salvation issue,

If love fulfills the law, then how could knowing and following and loving the same law that love "fulfills", ever be bad?

The curse that went with the old law is not a part of the new law. The bondage to sin and death that went with the old law is not a part of the new law. The needing a priest that went with the old law is not a part of the new law. The animal sacrifice that went with the old law is not part of the new law. The ceremony that went with the old law is not a part of the new law. The commandments God once wrote in stone, He now writes on our hearts and minds.

The new law was made lighter in that "instant" forgiveness for sin comes through our repentance. That burden of carrying around sin "until" you could get rid of it, is no more. Since the sacrifice of Christ, we can walk our walk more sin free, than ever was possible, even if they transgressed the law way less than we do now. They had to wait, to do. We have to think and feel.

We have "no physical" requirements such as ceremony, priests, animals to sacrifice any more, we now have a heart and mind toward God, Jesus" becoming" or unburdening us of all those things, teaching us to repent. How light a yoke it is. God loves us so much He made being good easier. We can now concentrate on changing the inner man, not the "duties" that were once performed for forgives. He made it so not only do we no longer have to wait on ceremony, WE get to talk to Him ourselves, and whenever we repent, we are washed clean, and we can be SURE He hears us in that moment.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Let me share a few things with you. I won`t copy and paste scriptures right now to save time. I don`t think you need me to do that.

The Laws of Moses covered 3 things: the land, the government of the land and the people. The Laws that were repeated as commands in the time of Grace and/or time of the Gentiles are Laws that pertain to individual behavior. These things are called the righteousness of the Law by Paul in the epistles and these are things the children of God are challenged to obey in Paul`s gospel.

Because of Adam all human beings are tainted and none call keep the Law perfectly. We are born already sinners. The only exception is Jesus Christ who was not born under Adams curse and went on to become the only man to keep the Law perfectly. This qualified Jesus to inherit the covenant and all it`s promises. That`s why everything belongs to Jesus and when Jesus becomes our Lord and Savior we obtain an inheritance as well through Him.

As Gentiles grafted into the Tree we are adopted into God`s family becoming like Israel, children of Abraham. Gentiles are adopted at the Isaac generation which of course predates the covenant containing the Law of Moses.

That`s why Gentiles in the church weren`t bound to keep the Law of Moses and why it wasn`t kosher to try and make them keep it.

All this is in your Bible.

He law is a unit

If your going to follow 1, your going to follow all

Paul spent most of his letters telling jews this very thing, and also informing them if they are going to follow 1 they must follow all.

People teying to justify obedince to the law by breaking the law in parts and saying this must be followed, but that does not, do not understand the law at all,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Is being righteous the same as being saved?

No one is righteous, thus if it did, no one is saved.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I`ve never had anybody fight me over the blood of Jesus before. This is interesting. I guess it interferes with your OSAS ideology.

Nothing interfears with my beliefe eternal life is eternal. It is where my hope is according to paul and john, if you want to have hope in conditional life, thats on you not me,

I do not have a problem, you do. Your the one complaining. Not me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I`ve never had anybody fight me over the blood of Jesus before. This is interesting. I guess it interferes with your OSAS ideology.

I was responding to someone else also. So why did you attack me.,

Sorry i have you trying to defend yourself with everything i say, thinking it is against you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Having ALREADY established that salvation only comes through faith THEREFORE PAST the salvation issue,

If love fulfills the law, then how could knowing and following and loving the same law that love "fulfills", ever be bad?

The curse that went with the old law is not a part of the new law. The bondage to sin and death that went with the old law is not a part of the new law. The needing a priest that went with the old law is not a part of the new law. The animal sacrifice that went with the old law is not part of the new law. The ceremony that went with the old law is not a part of the new law. The commandments God once wrote in stone, He now writes on our hearts and minds.

The new law was made lighter in that "instant" forgiveness for sin comes through our repentance. That burden of carrying around sin "until" you could get rid of it, is no more. Since the sacrifice of Christ, we can walk our walk more sin free, than ever was possible, even if they transgressed the law way less than we do now. They had to wait, to do. We have to think and feel.

We have "no physical" requirements such as ceremony, priests, animals to sacrifice any more, we now have a heart and mind toward God, Jesus" becoming" or unburdening us of all those things, teaching us to repent. How light a yoke it is. God loves us so much He made being good easier. We can now concentrate on changing the inner man, not the "duties" that were once performed for forgives. He made it so not only do we no longer have to wait on ceremony, WE get to talk to Him ourselves, and whenever we repent, we are washed clean, and we can be SURE He hears us in that moment.

The law says do not covet

In that command..

Tell me where it says how to obey it
Tell me where it declares every possible actions which would break it

And if it does not say any of the above, then how can we possibly obey by following this command, should not our focus be on something other than this command?

 

[RickStudies]

Having ALREADY established that salvation only comes through faith THEREFORE PAST the salvation issue,

If love fulfills the law, then how could knowing and following and loving the same law that love "fulfills", ever be bad?

The curse that went with the old law is not a part of the new law. The bondage to sin and death that went with the old law is not a part of the new law. The needing a priest that went with the old law is not a part of the new law. The animal sacrifice that went with the old law is not part of the new law. The ceremony that went with the old law is not a part of the new law. The commandments God once wrote in stone, He now writes on our hearts and minds.

The new law was made lighter in that "instant" forgiveness for sin comes through our repentance. That burden of carrying around sin "until" you could get rid of it, is no more. Since the sacrifice of Christ, we can walk our walk more sin free, than ever was possible, even if they transgressed the law way less than we do now. They had to wait, to do. We have to think and feel.

We have "no physical" requirements such as ceremony, priests, animals to sacrifice any more, we now have a heart and mind toward God, Jesus" becoming" or unburdening us of all those things, teaching us to repent. How light a yoke it is. God loves us so much He made being good easier. We can now concentrate on changing the inner man, not the "duties" that were once performed for forgives. He made it so not only do we no longer have to wait on ceremony, WE get to talk to Him ourselves, and whenever we repent, we are washed clean, and we can be SURE He hears us in that moment.

I like to say that we do it because we are saved instead of to be saved. Then your words and works become evidence of salvation that other people can see.

 

[PS]

No one is righteous, thus if it did, no one is saved.

You said Abram was saved in Genesis 15. That is why I responded with the question, "Is being righteous the same as being saved?"

And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness. (Gen 15:6 KJV)

 

[DeighAnn]

Once again the Bible tells us Jesus had to shed His blood in order for mans sins to be forgiven. That`s past, present and future sin.

The price was paid, for the sins of the world. But all sins are written in the books. The only sins blotted out of the book are the ones repented for. If you have a sin and you don't repent for it, it is still in the book and you will be judged on what is written when the books are opened.

The law says do not covet

In that command..

Tell me where it says how to obey it
Tell me where it declares every possible actions which would break it

And if it does not say any of the above, then how can we possibly obey by following this command, should not our focus be on something other than this command?

Tell me where every possible action was ever coverer. With love and the spirit and the example of the life of Christ and the wisdom and knowledge we receive from studying to show ourselves approved, we don't need specifics do we? Do we need God to think for us also? At some point we would have no point.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You said Abram was saved in Genesis 15. That is why I responded with the question, "Is being righteous the same as being saved?"

And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness. (Gen 15:6 KJV)

He was

Abraham was declaired righteous (it never said he was rihteous)

Do you ever read?

 

[Grandpa]

Those who say that the 10 commandments are still for Christians to work at don't understand what Christ says.

And definitely don't understand the New Testament and the Epistles.

The 10 commandments are for people who HAVEN'T come to Christ.

Once a person comes to Christ they are given Rest and no longer are under or work at the 10 commandments.

Galatians 3:23-25
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Isn't it strange that those who push the 10 commandments on Christians don't understand simple scripture?

The Lord says in Matthew 11 that He will give Rest to people who come to Him.


There is no rest possible if the 10 commandments have been written on Christians hearts. There is no possible way to NOT be under the law if the 10 commandments are written on Christians hearts.

That is part of the reason why it is NOT the 10 commandments that are written on our hearts.

The 10 commandments point out sin. The 10 commandments are the Ministry of Death and Condemnation. For those ignorant that say Sin and Death and Condemnation are written on our hearts when we come to Christ they couldn't be MORE WRONG.

It is Life and Righteousness and Love that are written on our hearts when we come to Christ. It is the understanding that our Blessings don't come by our work at the 10 commandments but by Christ. What is written on our hearts is the REASON we rest from our work at the 10 commandments.


When you go back to the law instead of abiding in Christ you have placed yourself back under the curse of the law.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.


How come this simplicity in Christ is not understood by legalists and judaizers? Are they just afraid to come to Christ and receive Rest? Why? What's the downside to Salvation?

What about the silliness of legalists saying they don't work at the 10 commandments to gain salvation? Everyone knows that you can't gain salvation by working at the 10 commandments. You can't gain ANYTHING by working at the 10 commandments EXCEPT the knowledge that you can't gain anything by working at them, except Death and Condemnation.

Don't you think it would be better to come out from this Sin and Death and Condemnation?

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

 

[DeighAnn]

He law is a unit

If your going to follow 1, your going to follow all

But doesn't the blood of Jesus forgive one the same as all? If so, what point are you making here?

 

[DeighAnn]

Paul spent most of his letters telling jews this very thing, and also informing them if they are going to follow 1 they must follow all.

You are not saying Paul was saying they needed to sacrifice animals are you?