Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[RickStudies]

Another

We agree

But is that telling us we need to follow the law or HOW we by practice do not break the law

We agree

But is that telling us we need to follow the law or HOW we by practice do not break the law

The verse is a knowledge test. Jesus always taught follow the Law. Never once did He say to not follow it although Jesus was known to violate the traditions of the scribes and the Pharisees. That is the answer to the question posed as the title of this thread.

Jesus is teaching people how to follow the Mosaic Law. Under grace the command is the same. Love fulfills the law.

The idea of not following the law of Moses doesn`t enter the picture until Paul begins his ministry.

 

[PS]

I am a full blooded gentile

Thank you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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The verse is a knowledge test. Jesus always taught follow the Law. Never once did He say to not follow it although Jesus was known to violate the traditions of the scribes and the Pharisees. That is the answer to the question posed as the title of this thread.

Jesus is teaching people how to follow the Mosaic Law. Under grace the command is the same. Love fulfills the law.

The idea of not following the law of Moses doesn`t enter the picture until Paul begins his ministry.

So you do think we need to follow the law, why did you say otherwise a few posts ago? (Post 6621)

Thanks for answering

And no it is not a knowledge test, it is a teaching aid.

If you want to obey god, love, doing so, you will not break the law.

How can we follow the law of sin and death and why would we?

 

[RickStudies]

1. How does my faith establish the law Rom 3: 31


2. What is the law of sin and death Rom 8: 3

I`ve answered your first question several times already, you just won`t accept my answer. I don`t believe Romans 3:31 or any other scripture empowers a Christian to establish Law. I believe you misinterpret Romans 3:31, as Paul is contending that faith doesn`t nullify the Law and that the benefits of the Law are still in effect. God establishes the law by his covenants with man and in the new covenant there are laws with are called the commandments of Jesus Christ. Christ is the One who establishes law not you or me.

The law of sin and death needs no answering. American Christians all know that one. It is the law plus your sin = death to everybody.
Romans 8:3 taken out of context is one major cause for Christian hostility towards obeying the commands of Christ. You already had my answer for that one in previous posts but I guess you think it scores points to pull out a singular verse.

To understand you have to know what else Paul said about the Law over the course of the epistles.There isn`t anything wrong with the law apart from the fact that it can`t save anybody. Sin is the real problem. But it`s easier to vilify the law then it is to look at ones own sins.

 

[RickStudies]

And jesus told us how to do that

Love.

I do not need to know the law to love, but i can love and through it obey the law without even knowing it.

Sounds like an excuse not to study.

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[RickStudies]

So you do think we need to follow the law, why did you say otherwise a few posts ago? (Post 6621)

Thanks for answering

And no it is not a knowledge test, it is a teaching aid.

If you want to obey god, love, doing so, you will not break the law.

How can we follow the law of sin and death and why would we?

That is a false accusation and I hate to sound cliche but you are now giving me a strawman argument.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I`ve answered your first question several times already, you just won`t accept my answer. I don`t believe Romans 3:31 or any other scripture empowers a Christian to establish Law. I believe you misinterpret Romans 3:31, as Paul is contending that faith doesn`t nullify the Law and that the benefits of the Law are still in effect. God establishes the law by his covenants with man and in the new covenant there are laws with are called the commandments of Jesus Christ. Christ is the One who establishes law not you or me.

Actually this is sad, and ps, i proved what the word said, you ignored it, and just shows you do not believe the purpose of the law is to be a schoolmaster? If you did, you would understand when you come to faith, you establish the law.

The law of sin and death needs no answering. American Christians all know that one. It is the law plus your sin = death to everybody.
Romans 8:3 taken out of context is one major cause for Christian hostility towards obeying the commands of Christ. You already had my answer for that one in previous posts but I guess you think it scores points to pull out a singular verse.

Lol, so saying the law is complete in us, and thus we no longer need a schoolmaster leads to sin? And is hostile to thise eho want to obey god?

Dude your silly attacks are getting tiresome,

I am not attacking you for wishing to obey, nor am i against obeying god, if you think so you have no comprehension of anything i have tried to say.

The law of sin and death is that, he law, the law brings about a curse to everyone who does not obey, this its sole purpose is to condemn us

It can not, it will not, and it never has shown ine person how to be ondient to god. Thats where you miss the mark, jesus tried to tell you this, not only in the passage you used about love, but the sermon on the mount

The law tells us what sin is, it DOES not tell us how to obey! It was not given for that purpose!

To understand you have to know what else Paul said about the Law over the course of the epistles.There isn`t anything wrong with the law apart from the fact that it can`t save anybody. Sin is the real problem. But it`s easier to vilify the law then it is to look at ones own sins.

Your right, there is nothing wrong with the law. What is wrong is people like you who take the law out of context and try to say those who want to seek after the spirit and learn to love, hate the law, hate god, and preach disobedience.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sounds like an excuse not to study.

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Excuse not to study?

I have studied the law for years. That why i can say what i say,

Your acting like a kid, you can not comprehend what others are saying so you resort to mini attacks.

I have no desire to discuss the word with people who act this way, it is unchristlike. Especially when you push the law. You do. Ot even practice what you preach

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is a false accusation and I hate to sound cliche but you are now giving me a strawman argument.

I just repeated what you said dude

You have just now in the last few posts claim you believe we are to obey the law, in that post, when i asked you if you believe that, you denied it, if you wish i acan copy and past for all to see

Live up to what you believe,

 

[RickStudies]

I just repeated what you said dude

You have just now in the last few posts claim you believe we are to obey the law, in that post, when i asked you if you believe that, you denied it, if you wish i acan copy and past for all to see

Live up to what you believe,

Copy and paste away. And shame on you for your false accusation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well you still have

Well you think it is still applicable to believers, we must still follow it right?
Am i wrong in what i think you believe?

I have said no such thing.

Another



The verse is a knowledge test. Jesus always taught follow the Law. Never once did He say to not follow it although Jesus was known to violate the traditions of the scribes and the Pharisees. That is the answer to the question posed as the title of this thread.

Jesus is teaching people how to follow the Mosaic Law. Under grace the command is the same. Love fulfills the law.

The idea of not following the law of Moses doesn`t enter the picture until Paul begins his ministry.

So you do think we need to follow the law, why did you say otherwise a few posts ago? (Post 6621)

You contradict yourself man, how can you be believed!

I asked, do you think a believer needs to follow the law

Your response is you never made such a claim

Yet you continue to say we must follow the law, in fact christ told us to also.

Make up your mind

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Copy and paste away. And shame on you for your false accusation.

Shame on you for lying, then blame shifting

If course, i am used to it, your not the first, you will not be the last,

Ya just got to love people who insist we must follow the oaw, and can not even follow one of the ten commands (which just proves, you cant follow the law yourself) so your asking others to bear a burden you yourself can. It bare, seems like we heard this once before in scripture,, yeah your not the first man.

My prayer is you learn from it, not keep making the same error

 

[RickStudies]

You contradict yourself man, how can you be believed!

I asked, do you think a believer needs to follow the law

Your response is you never made such a claim

Yet you continue to say we must follow the law, in fact christ told us to also.

Make up your mind

More strawman argument. How do any of my comments = saying follow Mosaic law today.

FYI it isn`t even possible to follow the Mosaic law today because the Temple in Jerusalem has been destroyed. That`s why Judaism was invented.

 

[RickStudies]

Shame on you for lying, then blame shifting

If course, i am used to it, your not the first, you will not be the last,

Ya just got to love people who insist we must follow the oaw, and can not even follow one of the ten commands (which just proves, you cant follow the law yourself) so your asking others to bear a burden you yourself can. It bare, seems like we heard this once before in scripture,, yeah your not the first man.

My prayer is you learn from it, not keep making the same error

Calling me a liar violates the rules for this website. No surprise.

 

[posthuman]

I have no problem understanding king james or the new king james (which i use)

I liked the 1587 Geneva. KJV made a lot of changes.

the instincts of your heart alone isn`t enough.

Isnt that kind of like criticizing God's handwriting, if He indeed writes His precepts on a man's heart?
Like, you are saying God doesn't write legibly. But scripture says there are those who do not have the law, yet keep the righteous requirement of it -

Romans 2:14
For when the Gentiles which haue not the Lawe, doe by nature, the things conteined in the Lawe, they hauing not the Lawe, are a Lawe vnto themselves, Which shew the effect of the Lawe written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witnes, and their thoughts accusing one another, or excusing,)

Showing the writing of the law in their hearts - seems like God has handwriting that's perfectly sufficient. According to scripture.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

More strawman argument. How do any of my comments = saying follow Mosaic law today.

FYI it isn`t even possible to follow the Mosaic law today because the Temple in Jerusalem has been destroyed. That`s why Judaism was invented.

Yet your argument was that both paul and jesus tauht following the law

Your hurting your own case man.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Calling me a liar violates the rules for this website. No surprise.

I can a spade a spade, i call a liar a lair

And remember, you called me a liar first, (saying u made a false accusation is saying i lied)

Another hypocritical do as i say not as i do.

 

[posthuman]

The idea of not following the law of Moses doesn`t enter the picture until Paul begins his ministry.

The law says that sacrifice is only acceptable at the place He chose for Himself, at the temple. Deuteronomy 12 for example.

Samaritans did not worship there, however, but on another mountain.

Jesus did not tell the woman at the well that the Samaritans must keep the commandment and bring their gifts to the proper place. In fact, He told her, the time is coming and now is, when we should worship neither on one mountain or another, but in spirit and truth.

 

[posthuman]

Romans 8:3 taken out of context

Could you please explain the proper context so that all of us can be sure not to know right doctrine and keep ourselves from sin?

 

[Grandpa]

I liked the 1587 Geneva. KJV made a lot of changes.


Isnt that kind of like criticizing God's handwriting, if He indeed writes His precepts on a man's heart?
Like, you are saying God doesn't write legibly. But scripture says there are those who do not have the law, yet keep the righteous requirement of it -

Romans 2:14
For when the Gentiles which haue not the Lawe, doe by nature, the things conteined in the Lawe, they hauing not the Lawe, are a Lawe vnto themselves, Which shew the effect of the Lawe written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witnes, and their thoughts accusing one another, or excusing,)

Showing the writing of the law in their hearts - seems like God has handwriting that's perfectly sufficient. According to scripture.

That version seems a little hard to read.

The KJV is easier to read. But it makes you read every word because it is not "spoken" like we speak regular english.

I like that it takes a little extra concentration. Like it separates itself from regular reading...

But I don't need too much extra concentration like that 1587 Geneva edition would entail...