Water Baptism-What is in a Name?
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Excerpt from "The Catholic World Report" Pope Francis to Christians: Our common Baptism unites us.
Pope Francis to Christians: Our common Baptism unites us
Vatican City, Jan 25, 2018 / 10:51 am (CNA/EWTN News).- At an ecumenical Vespers service Thursday, Pope Francis told members of several Christian communities that the grace of Baptism creates a unity in the family of God.
Even when differences separate us, we can recognize that we have the same Baptism, and we belong “to the same family of brothers and sisters loved by the one Father,” the Pope said Jan. 25.
“This is our experience as believers. As we grow in spiritual life, we increasingly understand that grace reaches us together with others and is to be shared with others. So, when I raise my thanksgiving to God for what he has done in me, I find I do not sing alone, because other brothers and sisters have my same song of praise.”
Francis spoke during a Vespers service in the Basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls to mark both the feast of the Conversion of St. Paul and the close of the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity, which this year focused on the theme: “Powerful is your hand, Lord.”
In his homily, the Pope reflected on our common Baptism using imagery from the story of the rescue of the baby Moses from the river by Pharaoh’s daughter.
This story is seen as a prefigurement of the rescue of the Israelites, God’s chosen people, he said, who were rescued from the Egyptians when Moses led them through the parted Red Sea unharmed, the waters then pouring down on their enemies.
“Many ancient Fathers understood this liberating passage as an image of Baptism,” Francis explained. “It is our sins that have been drowned by God in the living waters of Baptism.”
“Much more than Egypt, sin threatened to make us slaves forever, but the power of divine love overwhelmed it.” He also said that St. Augustine interpreted the Red Sea as an anticipatory sign of the blood of “Christ crucified, source of salvation.”
All of us Christians have passed through the waters of Baptism, and the grace of the Sacrament has destroyed our enemies, sin and death,” he emphasized.
However, our experience of God’s love and tenderness in our daily lives should not just be kept in our hearts, he stated. These individual experiences can be linked to an even greater history, that of the salvation of the people of God.
He pointed to the example of the song intoned by the Israelites in Exodus, which begins with an individual story: “My strength and my song is the Lord, he has been my salvation.”
“But later it becomes a narrative of salvation for all the people: ‘You guided with your love this people you redeemed.’ Those who raise this song have realized that they are not alone on the shores of the Red Sea, but that they are surrounded by brothers and sisters who have received the same grace and proclaim the same praise.”
In the last 100 years, the different Christian confessions have realized that we are standing together on the same shores of the Red Sea, he continued. We have all been saved through our Baptism, and can sing a grateful song of praise together.
Today, “in a world that is increasingly rich in means and poor in love,” Christians and people of other religions face many attacks on human dignity, the Pope said, such as religious persecution, modern forms of slavery, hardship and hunger.
“But like the Israelites of Exodus, Christians are called to safeguard together the memory of what God has accomplished in them.”
Led by Pope Francis, the Vespers service was attended by representatives from various Christian churches and communities in Rome, including Metropolitan Gennadios of the Ecumenical Patriarchate; Most Reverend Bernard Ntahoturi, personal representative in Rome of the Archbishop of Canterbury; students from the Ecumenical Institute of Bossey; and members of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity.
Pope Francis to Christians: Our common Baptism unites us
Vatican City, Jan 25, 2018 / 10:51 am (CNA/EWTN News).- At an ecumenical Vespers service Thursday, Pope Francis told members of several Christian communities that the grace of Baptism creates a unity in the family of God.
Even when differences separate us, we can recognize that we have the same Baptism, and we belong “to the same family of brothers and sisters loved by the one Father,” the Pope said Jan. 25.
“This is our experience as believers. As we grow in spiritual life, we increasingly understand that grace reaches us together with others and is to be shared with others. So, when I raise my thanksgiving to God for what he has done in me, I find I do not sing alone, because other brothers and sisters have my same song of praise.”
Francis spoke during a Vespers service in the Basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls to mark both the feast of the Conversion of St. Paul and the close of the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity, which this year focused on the theme: “Powerful is your hand, Lord.”
In his homily, the Pope reflected on our common Baptism using imagery from the story of the rescue of the baby Moses from the river by Pharaoh’s daughter.
This story is seen as a prefigurement of the rescue of the Israelites, God’s chosen people, he said, who were rescued from the Egyptians when Moses led them through the parted Red Sea unharmed, the waters then pouring down on their enemies.
“Many ancient Fathers understood this liberating passage as an image of Baptism,” Francis explained. “It is our sins that have been drowned by God in the living waters of Baptism.”
“Much more than Egypt, sin threatened to make us slaves forever, but the power of divine love overwhelmed it.” He also said that St. Augustine interpreted the Red Sea as an anticipatory sign of the blood of “Christ crucified, source of salvation.”
All of us Christians have passed through the waters of Baptism, and the grace of the Sacrament has destroyed our enemies, sin and death,” he emphasized.
However, our experience of God’s love and tenderness in our daily lives should not just be kept in our hearts, he stated. These individual experiences can be linked to an even greater history, that of the salvation of the people of God.
He pointed to the example of the song intoned by the Israelites in Exodus, which begins with an individual story: “My strength and my song is the Lord, he has been my salvation.”
“But later it becomes a narrative of salvation for all the people: ‘You guided with your love this people you redeemed.’ Those who raise this song have realized that they are not alone on the shores of the Red Sea, but that they are surrounded by brothers and sisters who have received the same grace and proclaim the same praise.”
In the last 100 years, the different Christian confessions have realized that we are standing together on the same shores of the Red Sea, he continued. We have all been saved through our Baptism, and can sing a grateful song of praise together.
Today, “in a world that is increasingly rich in means and poor in love,” Christians and people of other religions face many attacks on human dignity, the Pope said, such as religious persecution, modern forms of slavery, hardship and hunger.
“But like the Israelites of Exodus, Christians are called to safeguard together the memory of what God has accomplished in them.”
Led by Pope Francis, the Vespers service was attended by representatives from various Christian churches and communities in Rome, including Metropolitan Gennadios of the Ecumenical Patriarchate; Most Reverend Bernard Ntahoturi, personal representative in Rome of the Archbishop of Canterbury; students from the Ecumenical Institute of Bossey; and members of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity.
Why would anyone want to follow a form of water baptism initiated by the Roman Catholic Church, rather than obey the Word of God?
Most Protestant churches would bulk at being affiliated in anyway with the RCC. And unbeknownst to many, the RCC considers them in unity through their willingness to follow their tradition.
Most Protestant churches would bulk at being affiliated in anyway with the RCC. And unbeknownst to many, the RCC considers them in unity through their willingness to follow their tradition.
Beginning in Acts 10 the Holy Spirit is given without water baptism. There is nothing afterward in scripture to indicate the two are tied together. This is the first Gentile salvation in the Bible. The beginning of the Gentile Age that we are living in.
Water baptism is a deed of the Law. It is a work. The Jews had immersion pools where they baptized converts and they also baptized priests. When you are water baptized in the age of grace you are carrying on a fine tradition, a good work. You are baptized into Chrisitanity as a convert and you are baptized as a priest as well. It`s not the Holy Spirit.
Water doesn`t save anyone. Sadly, many Oneness Cristians don`t understand that.
Water baptism is a deed of the Law. It is a work. The Jews had immersion pools where they baptized converts and they also baptized priests. When you are water baptized in the age of grace you are carrying on a fine tradition, a good work. You are baptized into Chrisitanity as a convert and you are baptized as a priest as well. It`s not the Holy Spirit.
Water doesn`t save anyone. Sadly, many Oneness Cristians don`t understand that.
Peter would not have commanded Cornelius and others to get water baptized if it was not a requirement for Gentiles.
Furthermore, Paul instructed the Ephesus disciples that water baptism in Jesus' name was necessary over 20 years after Pentecost. (Acts 19: 1-6) After the 12 disciples accepted Paul's instruction, he went into their synagogue and taught the things concerning the kingdom of God for 3 months. When some spoke evil of the message Paul left and took the disciples that had received and obeyed his message with him.
Furthermore, Paul instructed the Ephesus disciples that water baptism in Jesus' name was necessary over 20 years after Pentecost. (Acts 19: 1-6) After the 12 disciples accepted Paul's instruction, he went into their synagogue and taught the things concerning the kingdom of God for 3 months. When some spoke evil of the message Paul left and took the disciples that had received and obeyed his message with him.
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well wansvic would clearly like us to believe certain things such as water baptism occurs before anyone receives the Holy Spirit and...bonus feature...also does a double scrub on sin
so, wansvic teaches that the blood of Christ is not enough we must add to it with some H20
I've attended your workshops before
and did I mention that wansvic also teaches that if you are not water baptized, no matter what, you are not passing through the pearly gates
see? I WAS paying attention
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I have said over and over that water baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost are both required, but one does not prompt the other. It is all about obedience. Upon being told what to do, those recorded in the bible did their part by submitting to water baptism. God fills with the Holy Ghost. The bible record shows that there is no specific sequence involved.
well wansvic would clearly like us to believe certain things such as water baptism occurs before anyone receives the Holy Spirit and...bonus feature...also does a double scrub on sin
so, wansvic teaches that the blood of Christ is not enough we must add to it with some H20
I've attended your workshops before
and did I mention that wansvic also teaches that if you are not water baptized, no matter what, you are not passing through the pearly gates
see? I WAS paying attention
so, wansvic teaches that the blood of Christ is not enough we must add to it with some H20
I've attended your workshops before
and did I mention that wansvic also teaches that if you are not water baptized, no matter what, you are not passing through the pearly gates
see? I WAS paying attention
It is not wansvic's opinion that everyone must be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. This truth is found in the biblical record. (Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16, Matt 28:19) In addition everyone is to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Also, it obvious that there is no specific sequence required. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6)
The Samaritans who were half Jewish and half Gentile received and obeyed the salvation message prior to those in the Acts 10 record:
"But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost." Acts 8:12-17
"But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost." Acts 8:12-17
I am committed to sharing the truth concerning the requirements for salvation, shown in the Word, of which water baptism is one. Call it obsession if you like. I call it obedience. God commands each and everyone to plant and/or water the seeds of His Word. God handles giving the increase/understanding. One cannot expect to determine truth from error if they refuse to do a comparison in light of the Word.
Religious people of Jesus' day refused to let go of their traditions and obey Him. Sadly, history repeats itself.
"He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition." Mark 7:6-9
Religious people of Jesus' day refused to let go of their traditions and obey Him. Sadly, history repeats itself.
"He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition." Mark 7:6-9
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you go ahead and interpret scritpure any way that helps you sleep at night
it is a total waste of time responding to you as several months have already proven
perhaps you can snare yourself some newer members or those who are not familiar with the Bible
you are the one rejecting the truth as many have illustrated to you mulitple times over and over
it is a total waste of time responding to you as several months have already proven
perhaps you can snare yourself some newer members or those who are not familiar with the Bible
you are the one rejecting the truth as many have illustrated to you mulitple times over and over