THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ "...both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him."



[I disagree with your take on the "many" (seemingly not ALL OT saints, by the way) in Matt27, who went into the holy city and appeared unto many" that very day [ON 'FIRSTFRUIT' (Lev23:10-12)] is who He took up to Heaven when He ascended [active] that very day [ON 'FIRSTFRUIT' (Lev23:10-12)]… I believe it points out WHERE THEY went, so as to make this clear... JESUS went up to Heaven, they went into the holy city... (that very day, for both/each)]

 

[KJV1611]

^ "...both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him."



[I disagree with your take on the "many" (seemingly not ALL OT saints, by the way) in Matt27, who went into the holy city and appeared unto many" that very day [ON 'FIRSTFRUIT' (Lev23:10-12)] is who He took up to Heaven when He ascended [active] that very day [ON 'FIRSTFRUIT' (Lev23:10-12)]… I believe it points out WHERE THEY went, so as to make this clear... JESUS went up to Heaven, they went into the holy city... (that very day, for both/each)]

Dan 12:2 (KJV) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Exactly as Daniel said - MANY of them, not all.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

So, are you suggesting that, where it says Daniel would "rest [that is, in death] and STAND IN THY LOT at the END OF THE DAYS" (the "days" referred to in that CONTEXT: vv.6-7,1,11-12 [a very specific "set of days"]), that this (regarding HIM/DANIEL) occurred something like 3.5yrs AFTER these "many" that were "resurrected" in 32ad (<--along with the timing of Jesus' own resurrection in 32ad). Or, how do you see that? 3.5 years later? 40 years later? or what?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

(Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will)

If Paul is stating that "we have obtained an inheritance", then the previous statement in 1:10 can't be projected hundreds of years in the Paul's future.

... but if he is stating, "in Him, in whom ALSO we have obtained an inheritance...," then this doesn't require the interpretation you've placed onto it...


https://biblehub.com/text/ephesians/1-11.htm




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[KJV1611]

So, are you suggesting that, where it says Daniel would "rest [that is, in death] and STAND IN THY LOT at the END OF THE DAYS" (the "days" referred to in that CONTEXT: vv.6-7,1,11-12 [a very specific "set of days"]), that this (regarding HIM/DANIEL) occurred something like 3.5yrs AFTER these "many" that were "resurrected" in 32ad (<--along with the timing of Jesus' own resurrection in 32ad). Or, how do you see that? 3.5 years later? 40 years later? or what?

Dan 12:13 (KJV) But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

Where is 3.5 years after the resurrection coming from?

Daniel goes his way, he lived out the rest of his life. Then he went to a place of rest - Abraham’s bosom and then he stands in his lot (inheritance) at the end of the days of Daniels prophecy.... 70 weeks.

Daniel lived, died and then rose from the dead with Christ so I don’t know why you are asking about 3.5 or 40 years. Maybe I’m not understanding your question.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I believe the context of the word "DAYS" in v.13 ['at the END OF THE DAYS'] (regarding Daniel's own "resurrection" point-in-time) is connected with the ENTIRE CONTEXT'S divulging of "time-stamp wordings" (for lack of a better way of saying it, atm) in that chapter (vv.6-7,1,11,12) [i.e. as referred to in that context; the "days" referred to in the very context where this is being said]

 

[KJV1611]

I believe the context of the word "DAYS" in v.13 ['at the END OF THE DAYS'] (regarding Daniel's own "resurrection" point-in-time) is connected with the ENTIRE CONTEXT'S divulging of "time-stamp wordings" (for lack of a better way of saying it, atm) in that chapter (vv.6-7,1,11,12) [i.e. as referred to in that context; the "days" referred to in the very context where this is being said]

I agree, the end of the days is when Daniel would be resurrected. The question is, the end of what days.

I’m almost 100% sure it’s the end of the 70 weeks.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I agree, the end of the days is when Daniel would be resurrected. The question is, the end of what days.
I’m almost 100% sure it’s the end of the 70 weeks.

...which was "when," in your viewpoint? 32ad? 35.5ad [i.e. 3.5y after Jesus' resurrection]? 70ad? when?

 

[KJV1611]

...which was "when," in your viewpoint? 32ad? 35.5ad [i.e. 3.5y after Jesus' resurrection]? 70ad? when?

I think I know what you’re getting at... “the people of the prince shall come and destroy the city” falls outside of the 70 weeks.

And yes it does fall outside of the 70 weeks but nothing in Daniel 9 says that the city would be destroyed in the 70 weeks.

Dan 9:26 (KJV) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

After 62 weeks Messiah is cut off. THEN the people of the prince THAT SHALL COME comes. Nothing in the verse confines the timing of the prince to the 70 weeks.

So to answer your question, AD 32/33 whatever the date was when Christ rose is when Daniel rose.

 

[VCO]

I agree, the end of the days is when Daniel would be resurrected. The question is, the end of what days.

I’m almost 100% sure it’s the end of the 70 weeks.

My Theology, Puts the 70th WEEK of Daniel the LAST WEEK OF YEARS, before the KING OF Kings, comes to Make WAR on the NATIONS.

That is the BIGGEST reason to believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. THIS CHURCH AGE must END, before the 70th Week of Daniel can begin. Which is also called the week of Jacob's Trouble.

We are convinced the Church Age ends just before the 70th Week of Daniel can begin. No One knows the Day or the Hour. That is the Rapture, or I prefer to call it THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to the Wedding of the LAMB, all the Dead in Christ rise first, then we which remain, will be Changed into the Glorified Body, that cannot think Sin. The Antichrist will make a Covenant with Israel, for 7 years to allow them the Build the TEMPLE. That 70th Week of Years, is also Known as JACOB's Troubles. We attend the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven. At the end of those Week of Years, Christ comes back to make WAR on the NATIONS, and YES HE WINS, and we come with HIM on White Horses. HE then set up the 1000 year KINGDOM on David's Throne. Then after that runs it's course, the rest of the Dead are raised to FACE THEIR JUDGE JESUS CHRIST. They are sentenced to the Lake of Fire which will burn forever and ever, while we go to the Eternal State of the New Heaven and Atmosphere (New Heaven).

The Only ERROR in this chart, is Christ Fails before the CROSS. HE DID NOT FAIL it is all according to HIS PLAN.

 

[VCO]

My Theology, Puts the 70th WEEK of Daniel the LAST WEEK OF YEARS, before the KING OF Kings, comes to Make WAR on the NATIONS.

That is the BIGGEST reason to believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. THIS CHURCH AGE must END, before the 70th Week of Daniel can begin. Which is also called the week of Jacob's Trouble.

We are convinced the Church Age ends just before the 70th Week of Daniel can begin. No One knows the Day or the Hour. That is the Rapture, or I prefer to call it THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to the Wedding of the LAMB, all the Dead in Christ rise first, then we which remain, will be Changed into the Glorified Body, that cannot think Sin. The Antichrist will make a Covenant with Israel, for 7 years to allow them the Build the TEMPLE. That 70th Week of Years, is also Known as JACOB's Troubles. We attend the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven. At the end of those Week of Years, Christ comes back to make WAR on the NATIONS, and YES HE WINS, and we come with HIM on White Horses. HE then set up the 1000 year KINGDOM on David's Throne. Then after that runs it's course, the rest of the Dead are raised to FACE THEIR JUDGE JESUS CHRIST. They are sentenced to the Lake of Fire which will burn forever and ever, while we go to the Eternal State of the New Heaven and Atmosphere (New Heaven).

The Only ERROR in this chart, is Christ Fails before the CROSS. HE DID NOT FAIL it is all according to HIS PLAN.

I made a mistake, on the last line of the big paragraph, that first New Heaven should be New Earth. Sorry, I missed in on my proof read.

 

[azamzimtoti]

The Only ERROR in this chart, is Christ Fails before the CROSS. HE DID NOT FAIL it is all according to HIS PLAN.

It's full of errors, the big one is "Christ failed, kingdom postponed". . .

 

[azamzimtoti]

I think I know what you’re getting at... “the people of the prince shall come and destroy the city” falls outside of the 70 weeks.

And yes it does fall outside of the 70 weeks but nothing in Daniel 9 says that the city would be destroyed in the 70 weeks.

Why would you think this K16? Daniel says that "70 weeks are determined on your city":

This would put the "prince" within the 70 weeks if we consider the Romans were the "the people of the prince". i don't see what the logic would be bifurcating verses 24 and 26.

(Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.)

Dan 9:26 (KJV) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

After 62 weeks Messiah is cut off. THEN the people of the prince THAT SHALL COME comes. Nothing in the verse confines the timing of the prince to the 70 weeks.

So to answer your question, AD 32/33 whatever the date was when Christ rose is when Daniel rose.

 

[KJV1611]

Why would you think this K16? Daniel says that "70 weeks are determined on your city":

This would put the "prince" within the 70 weeks if we consider the Romans were the "the people of the prince". i don't see what the logic would be bifurcating verses 24 and 26.

(Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.)

Seventy weeks and God is done with Israel. At the end of the seventy weeks all of the things mentioned - to finish the transgression, make an end of sins etc. are accomplished.

In other words the kingdom will be under the stewardship of Israel until the seventy weeks expire and then heavenly Jerusalem takes over.

 

[azamzimtoti]

Seventy weeks and God is done with Israel. At the end of the seventy weeks all of the things mentioned - to finish the transgression, make an end of sins etc. are accomplished.

In other words the kingdom will be under the stewardship of Israel until the seventy weeks expire and then heavenly Jerusalem takes over.

So where are you placing the end of the 70 weeks K16?

I place at the war ending with the destruction of the temple/city and the Jewish rejecters of Jesus.

 

[KJV1611]

So where are you placing the end of the 70 weeks K16?

I place at the war ending with the destruction of the temple/city and the Jewish rejecters of Jesus.

I place it at the resurrection. I also believe a week is a literal week. Christ made his triumphal entry on Palm Sunday and one week later he rose from the dead. In the midst of that week he caused the daily sacrifice to end.
I’m on my phone visiting with family.... I hope I said all that right lol.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

It's full of errors, the big one is "Christ failed, kingdom postponed". . .

It's a fable that this is the position of the "pre-mill [/pre-trib]" viewpoint. It isn't. At all.

Peter, in Acts 3, addresses this very thing.

It's just that theologies such as "amill" and "preterism" (etc) do not distinguish the two very distinct "RAISE" in chpt 3, thus come to wholly incorrect conclusions as to what point Peter is actually conveying there.

 

[iamsoandso]

I always like this point in these type debates where everyone has to determine who the beast was and who worshiped it and who was destroyed at the brightness of the Lords coming.

 

[azamzimtoti]

I place it at the resurrection. I also believe a week is a literal week. Christ made his triumphal entry on Palm Sunday and one week later he rose from the dead. In the midst of that week he caused the daily sacrifice to end.
I’m on my phone visiting with family.... I hope I said all that right lol.

The city was still not dealt with at the cross K16, what was fulfilled at the cross was "to make reconciliation for iniquity".

 

[azamzimtoti]

Forgot to add "and to anoint the most Holy" at his ascension.