Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Wills_Newton there is the pot trib. aspect involved...
THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb
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Your trying to pull your hair out over who is saved,when where and how. I did that too for a great multitude of years across my life. I thought if I do this I would be. I looked at others and thought they were not. I was scared to death that if he didn't show me step by step what to say to my loved ones and have them do those things they wouldn't be saved.
I confess though I was the one who didn't believe he saved me or my loved ones. He was never going to deny his own blood nor was his father by telling me anything other than the Cross. I was the one who denied the Cross till I saw it and then all my payers were answered.
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Im pretty sure folks coming to life is a resurrection. Rest of the dead LIVED NOT until...... <- resurrection.
Absolutely says: No rapture or resurrection in rev 20.
Revelation 20 says: this is the first resurrection. -> came to life -> rest of the dead lived not until......
I'll take what the Bible says over your strange doctrines any day!
How can you say no resurrection in rev20 when the word is used in the chapter. UNBELIEVABLE the state we are in today in Christianity. COME ON PEOPLE!
Absolutely says: No rapture or resurrection in rev 20.
Revelation 20 says: this is the first resurrection. -> came to life -> rest of the dead lived not until......
I'll take what the Bible says over your strange doctrines any day!
How can you say no resurrection in rev20 when the word is used in the chapter. UNBELIEVABLE the state we are in today in Christianity. COME ON PEOPLE!
Go read it again
DOES NOT SAY ANYONE "CAME TO LIFE" AFTER THE GT.
I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
You inserted a resurrection there.
What translatiin you got niv?
That translation will embarass you when a greek centered brother debates you.
I check up one side and down the other before i take a position.
There is ZERO there about a resurrection after the gt. (Pre mil)
DOES NOT SAY ANYONE "CAME TO LIFE" AFTER THE GT.
I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
You inserted a resurrection there.
What translatiin you got niv?
That translation will embarass you when a greek centered brother debates you.
I check up one side and down the other before i take a position.
There is ZERO there about a resurrection after the gt. (Pre mil)
Why the partial, butchered quote?
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dcontroversal said:
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From the link;
Both Newton and Darby earlier held a historicistview, and hence a post tribulational position, believing that they were living in the final years of Daniel's 70th week, with the Pope being Antichrist. This view became increasingly under question as the supposed relevance attached to Napoleon and the socio-political turmoil of the French Revolution did not lead directly to an anticipated end of the world. This encouraged the search for other interpretations, some being more new and novel than others, to Biblical passages such as Daniel 9.
Seems darby had the high ground
Both Newton and Darby earlier held a historicistview, and hence a post tribulational position, believing that they were living in the final years of Daniel's 70th week, with the Pope being Antichrist. This view became increasingly under question as the supposed relevance attached to Napoleon and the socio-political turmoil of the French Revolution did not lead directly to an anticipated end of the world. This encouraged the search for other interpretations, some being more new and novel than others, to Biblical passages such as Daniel 9.
Seems darby had the high ground
I have heard people say the temple and animal sacrifice will be present in the mil.
I kinda doubt it,but i nebercreseached it.
Others worry themselves about "tribulation saints" and say "but who will populate earth in the mil"
Those things will be evident in the mil.
I,will do like you and watch what they say. Lol
I kinda doubt it,but i nebercreseached it.
Others worry themselves about "tribulation saints" and say "but who will populate earth in the mil"
Those things will be evident in the mil.
I,will do like you and watch what they say. Lol
It's the same word used in Revelation 2:8 -
https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/2-8.htm - G2198 - ezēsen (Rev2:8)
https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/20-4.htm - G2198 - ezēsan (Rev20:4)
Besides that, the word "souls" is used in several other places in scripture, to mean "persons [that is, who are alive and have bodies]"... for example, Acts 7:14, Acts 27:37, and 1 Peter 3:20 (none of these are referring to body-less "souls" floating around.
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So yes, Rev20:4b is speaking of those trib saints who DIED in the trib, now alive ("resurrected") to reign with Him for 1000 years (and this "resurrection" [not "RAPTURE"] for them takes place AFTER/AT END of trib).
https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/2-8.htm - G2198 - ezēsen (Rev2:8)
https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/20-4.htm - G2198 - ezēsan (Rev20:4)
Besides that, the word "souls" is used in several other places in scripture, to mean "persons [that is, who are alive and have bodies]"... for example, Acts 7:14, Acts 27:37, and 1 Peter 3:20 (none of these are referring to body-less "souls" floating around.
)So yes, Rev20:4b is speaking of those trib saints who DIED in the trib, now alive ("resurrected") to reign with Him for 1000 years (and this "resurrection" [not "RAPTURE"] for them takes place AFTER/AT END of trib).
No one is leaving the earth, pre, mid or post anything.
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Ruth is the picture of jesus and the bride.
Jesus was not of the livitical/israel lineage.
He was of Judah.
The change was concerning priesthood.
But the bride,"Ruth" was NOT of israel.
Naomi family was wiped out in moab.
Only Ruth clung to Naomi and her God became Ruths God. Ruth forsook all she knew and false gods to be under Naomi's God.
That is us as born again gentiles. We,in a sense,come into christianity through the judeo religion.
Then we see Boaz (Jesus) takes his gentile bride at THE REDEEMING OF THE LAND.
IOW, we see the gentile come into the kingdom through the jew,then the jew come in through the gentile bride.
Judeo/christian dynamic
Jesus was not of the livitical/israel lineage.
He was of Judah.
The change was concerning priesthood.
But the bride,"Ruth" was NOT of israel.
Naomi family was wiped out in moab.
Only Ruth clung to Naomi and her God became Ruths God. Ruth forsook all she knew and false gods to be under Naomi's God.
That is us as born again gentiles. We,in a sense,come into christianity through the judeo religion.
Then we see Boaz (Jesus) takes his gentile bride at THE REDEEMING OF THE LAND.
IOW, we see the gentile come into the kingdom through the jew,then the jew come in through the gentile bride.
Judeo/christian dynamic
No one is leaving the earth, pre, mid or post anything.
I'm not saying the following verse refers to a "RAPTURE / harpazo / harpagēsometha [G726]" (it doesn't), but these two ARE SHOWN to be "leaving the earth" (or do you not believe they are two persons / "two prophets" [v.10] ? ):
Revelation 11 -
11 And after the three and a half days, the spirit of life from God entered into them [the 2 Witnesses], and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon those beholding them. 12 And they heard a great voice out of heaven, saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them.
13 And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell, and seven thousand names of men were killed in the earthquake. And the rest became terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe has passed [and associated with the "6th Trumpet" events]. Behold, the third woe [associated with the "7th Trumpet"] is coming quickly [i.e. the NEXT thing, upcoming, in the chronology (v.15)].