Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.
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Hi Noose...
What about those who believe , but are so disabled , they cannot ever walk , you know people who have to tap on a keyboard with a pointer out of their mouth , and can only use their eyes to speak because they cannot talk...
There are people who cannot do any works , yet they believe that Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior...xox...
What about those who believe , but are so disabled , they cannot ever walk , you know people who have to tap on a keyboard with a pointer out of their mouth , and can only use their eyes to speak because they cannot talk...
There are people who cannot do any works , yet they believe that Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior...xox...
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You are mistaken.
Works is not just about deeds but the underlying belief is works.
Example: Keeping the sabbath Holy. If one believes keeping the sabbath saves, what deeds must they do?
That's why i say works are beliefs and beliefs (faith) are works.
The kind of faith you are teaching is indeed your own works. Free gift means free gift, it can never be conditional- what you are teaching is based on one's faith.
Works is not just about deeds but the underlying belief is works.
Example: Keeping the sabbath Holy. If one believes keeping the sabbath saves, what deeds must they do?
That's why i say works are beliefs and beliefs (faith) are works.
The kind of faith you are teaching is indeed your own works. Free gift means free gift, it can never be conditional- what you are teaching is based on one's faith.
Nope...
This is what I believe
Ephesians 2:8-9 New International Version (NIV)
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
And I also believe that God sets before me His works to do , and in the mean time I rest in Him...
This is what I believe
Ephesians 2:8-9 New International Version (NIV)
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
And I also believe that God sets before me His works to do , and in the mean time I rest in Him...
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Because of time, i will answer and explain.
As much as sin is a work (manifestation in the flesh), it is also not a work; you were a sinner from your mother's womb not because of what you did or did not do but because of what Adam did. In the same manner, Christ (second Adam), atones for our sins (reconciles us)- not only you (so called believers) but everyone.
1 John 2:2 He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
This means that salvation also is free based on what Christ already did. All we have to do is abide by Christ or in Christ's love.
Rom 5:
6You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
9Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! 10For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!
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18Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
Now, how do we abide by Christ's love? we obey His command to love one another. Make no mistake, love is a work.
Where does faith come in? Love beareth all things (1 Cor 13). The one who loves has fulfilled everything.
As much as sin is a work (manifestation in the flesh), it is also not a work; you were a sinner from your mother's womb not because of what you did or did not do but because of what Adam did. In the same manner, Christ (second Adam), atones for our sins (reconciles us)- not only you (so called believers) but everyone.
1 John 2:2 He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
This means that salvation also is free based on what Christ already did. All we have to do is abide by Christ or in Christ's love.
Rom 5:
6You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
9Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! 10For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!
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18Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
Now, how do we abide by Christ's love? we obey His command to love one another. Make no mistake, love is a work.
Where does faith come in? Love beareth all things (1 Cor 13). The one who loves has fulfilled everything.
unscriptural and non-Biblical
That is OSAS delusion
Read your NT plenty of warnings about losing one's salvation
God is true and ever faithful, but human beings are fickle and many do not run the race to get the prize.
as scripture says to him who is victorious - and not all are for many do fall away
That is OSAS delusion
Read your NT plenty of warnings about losing one's salvation
God is true and ever faithful, but human beings are fickle and many do not run the race to get the prize.
as scripture says to him who is victorious - and not all are for many do fall away
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I don't believe you can loose salvation because salvation is a process. Even the term itself testifies; you are saved. If you are saved, you are indeed saved from something. That something is sin/eternal death. If you are saved from eternal death, then you have life eternal which means you can not loose. But we are not yet saved until we are saved- the reason i believe salvation is a process which you can abide till the end when you shall be saved or walk away and miss on the promise.
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Thank you for your response.