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posthuman

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day 8

what do you do after you have found rest?

what does God do on the 8th day?

Nothing. There is no 8th.

Genesis 1. 6 days of creation. they are numbered, called by ordinal names, '
the first day' and 'the second day' and so on in series. this is how God describes them to man. evening and morning.
a seventh day is spoken of. evening is not mentioned. morning is not mentioned.
what happens next is the eighth day.

the next thing described that God does after the creation and the day in which God was refreshed is that He planted Eden, and He took Adam from where he had been created and placed him in it. Adam wasn't created in the garden; in the day after the 7th day God placed him in paradise.

the next mention of '
evening' is here:

And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
(Genesis 8:11)

the next mention of '
morning' is here:

And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city!
And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the Lord being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.
(Genesis 19:15-16)

isn't scripture beautiful ? :love:
 

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day 8

what do you do after you have found rest?

what does God do on the 8th day?
Nothing. There is no 8th.

And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings,
He took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.
As He prayed, the appearance of His face was altered, and His robe became white and glistening.
(Luke 9:28-29)
 

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there is a lot of background material you need to know before you can understand the significance of 'eight' and 'eighth' in scripture.
That is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Eight is the number of a New Creation. And the *morrow after the sabbath* (which is the eighth day) is very significant for Christians and for Gospel truth. The Lord's Day (Rev 1:10) happens to be the eighth day also, the day of Christ's resurrection.
 

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No future fruition mention in the text. All past tense.
Although "has entered" His rest and "has himself also rested" from his works (Hebrews 4:10) is past tense, just like "have been" saved through faith (Ephesians 2:8) and "have been" justified by faith (Romans 5:1) is past tense "with ongoing present results," it's full fruition is yet future, when believers receive their glorified bodies. (Romans 8:23, 30)

And once again two things mention in verse ten. The Rest which is the Gospel and the Sabbath keeping which God participated in. Also the ceasing of work is in addition to the Rest before mention. Something else that needs attention is the fact that the ceasing from work is "as God did".
The word "Gospel" is not found in Hebrews 10, but in Hebrews 4 and keeping the Sabbath day under the law is not the Gospel. The Gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the Gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation.

*Only those who truly BELIEVE the Gospel enter this (sabbatismos rest) in Hebrews 4:9,10. Those who don't truly believe the gospel, but a "different" gospel do not enter. (2 Corinthians 4:3,4; Galatians 1:6-9; Hebrews 4:2-3) The Gospel is a message of grace to be received through faith. The Gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. The Gospel is NOT salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works.

Only one mention of God ceasing from work in the Bible and that is at the completion of Creation. It was a Physical ceasing from physical work. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered (past tense) into his rest, he also (in addition) hath ceased (past tense) from his own works, as (just like) God did from his. (Heb 4:9-10 KJV)
W E Vine mentions ...sabbatismos (σαββατισμός), “a Sabbath-keeping,” is used in Heb 4:9, rv, “a sabbath rest,” kjv marg., “a keeping of a sabbath” (akin to sabbatizo, “to keep the Sabbath,” used, e.g., in Ex 16:30, not in the NT); here the sabbath-keeping is the perpetual sabbath “rest” to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this sabbath “rest” is the “rest” of God Himself, He 4:10, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

*Notice that Hebrews 4:9 uses the word sabbatismos (Sabbath rest) rather than sabbaton (Sabbath day). Sabbatismos is only used once in the Bible. Had the writer of Hebrews desired to emphasize the seventh day for sacred worship, the word sabbaton would have been used. Don't confuse the shadow with the reality. The one who has entered (past tense) His rest has himself also rested (past tense) from his works. Vine in his collected writings adds this note...

There remains therefore a sabbath rest [a sabbatismos, or sabbath-keeping] for the people of God.—no sooner had His handiwork been marred by sin than God began to work with a view to man’s redemption and to the restoration of the enjoyment of the rest of communion with Him. Hence all the pre-figurative sacrifices and types and shadows in the Old Testament. The work of redemption having been accomplished on the Cross, God raised Him from the dead, seated Him at His right hand and rested once more.

Man was now called not to keep a seventh-day rest, appertaining to the old creation, but an abiding rest in Christ. In Him God rests eternally. The believer is called to apprehend what it means to enjoy His rest; and this as against the world, the flesh and the devil.
This is granted not one day in the week, but a sabbatismos, a sabbath-keeping all the days of the year. This word sabbatismos has a Greek suffix added to a Hebrew word. This is used instead of katapausis (as in He 3:11, 18; 4:1, 3, 5, 10, 11), a cessation....

...As has been pointed out, our sabbath in this day of the indwelling Holy Spirit and His ministry, is not one day in the week; “there remains [i.e., abides continually] a sabbath rest [a sabbatismos, a sabbath-keeping] for the people of God.” Our rest is in the living and glorified Christ on the ground of His finished work at Calvary. This rest does not depend on special days, it is not intermittent.

Context says the rest is the Gospel.
Not the context of Hebrews 4:9,10. You need to go to Hebrews chapter 4 to find the word "Gospel." The rest is "sabbatismos." The Gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) Although for centuries the Jews had found their physical rest in a day, the New Covenant takes the focus off the shadows of the Old Testament signs and rituals and reveals their spiritual substance -- the fulfillment/reality—in the person of Jesus Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17) Christians find complete Sabbath "sabbatismos" rest in Christ's finished work on the cross. The New Testament Sabbath rest is entered into by ceasing from one’s "works" of trying to earn salvation though keeping the Law.

But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we (By a new and living way (which is the rest, the Gospel), which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God. Heb 10:20,21) if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
(Heb 3:6 KJV)
For we are made partakers of Christ ( through the veil, that is to say, his flesh (which is the rest, the Gospel); And having an high priest over the house of God) if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
(Heb 3:14 KJV)
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest (partakers of Christ through the veil, that is to say, his flesh (which is the rest, the Gospel; And having an high priest over the house of God), any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the GOSPEL preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
(Heb 4:1- KJV)
Once again, the Gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) Those who truly believe the Gospel have entered His rest. In regards to Hebrews 3:6-14, in verse 8, we read - Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness, 9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me, And saw My works forty years. 10 Therefore I was angry with that generation, And said, 'They always go astray in their heart, And they have not known My ways.' Verses 18-19 - And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. In Jude 1:5, we read - The Lord delivered His people (the Israelites) out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.

In Hebrews 3:14, we read: For we have become [past tense Gk. verb, gegonamen, meaning we have become already] partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end. The wording of this verse is not - "and you will be saved (future indicative) if you (future indicative) hold fast." It is rather - "you have been, and now are, really saved, if in the future you hold fast." Future perseverance would be proof of genuine conversion. Not holding our confidence steadfast to the end indicates a flaw in our confidence from the start. Anyone can "profess" to have confidence and to be a partaker of Christ, but failing to hold that confidence stedfast unto the end proves otherwise.

In Hebrews 4:2-3, we read: For indeed the gospel was preached to US as well as to THEM; but the word which THEY heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For WE who have BELIEVED do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest," although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Notice that verses 2-3 makes a distinction between US who have BELIEVED and do enter that rest and THEM who heard the word but did not mix faith with what THEY heard and will not enter that rest because of UNBELIEF.
 

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No "in" in the Greek and It is in the Genitive Case.
So what is the difference and the significance of "OF" instead of "IN" according to you? (Faith "of" Jesus Christ vs. faith "in" Jesus Christ). Did these numerous translations (ASV, ESV, NASB, NIV, NKJV, NRSV etc..) get it wrong? :unsure:

As I stated before, sounds like one of those "KJV only" arguments. People in the past who I have noticed stress faith "of" Jesus Christ over faith "in" Jesus Christ are KJV onlyists and coincidentally, I noticed that you continually quote Bible verses from the KJV.
 

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So what is the difference and the significance of "OF" instead of "IN" according to you? (Faith "of" Jesus Christ vs. faith "in" Jesus Christ). Did these numerous translations (ASV, ESV, NASB, NIV, NKJV, NRSV etc..) get it wrong? :unsure:

As I stated before, sounds like one of those "KJV only" arguments. People in the past who I have noticed stress faith "of" Jesus Christ over faith "in" Jesus Christ are KJV onlyists and coincidentally, I noticed that you continually quote Bible verses from the KJV.
He uses whatever version seems to fit his theology of commandment keeping.

Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

That's the KJV. He never uses it for Hebrews 4:9 He uses one that says there is a "Sabbath Keeping" for the people of God.

I'm actually not finding any versions that use "Sabbath Keeping" in place of rest. I wonder if he is just making it up?
 

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here the sabbath-keeping is the perpetual sabbath “rest” to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.
'God again set a certain day, calling it TODAY' -- 4:7

TODAY is perpetual, always 'now' -- it speaks of eternity, for The Eternal One is "I AM" -- forever present, forever existing.

the author of Hebrews goes on to make the same contrast regarding priesthood: the shadow being temporary, and insufficient, appointed for a cyclical recurrence, having always to repeat the same sacrifices, they being only signs of what was to come. but the Substance of those things being perfect, sanctifying once and for all time with one perfect offering, and continuing forever.
 

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looks like it's abbreviated 'TS2009' -- short for 'the scriptures 2009'

it's a heavily Hebracized version.

here it is on Bible.com -- https://www.bible.com/bible/316/HEB.4.TS2009
That version didn't make a lot of sense to me.

There are certain versions that I think do a better job than the KJV in parts of the scripture but I think this version has missed the mark.

The topic of Hebrews 4 is rest. To change the topic to "sabbath keeping" and then back to rest I think can mislead.

Sabbath keeping implies the Jewish Ritual and NOT the rest given in Christ.
 

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looks like it's abbreviated 'TS2009' -- short for 'the scriptures 2009'

it's a heavily Hebracized version.

here it is on Bible.com -- https://www.bible.com/bible/316/HEB.4.TS2009
Although, maybe if I use that version of Matthew 5:17-18 it will help some of the other legalists that try to separate Moses law into sections.

Thanks posthuman!! Let's see if it works.
 

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That version didn't make a lot of sense to me.

There are certain versions that I think do a better job than the KJV in parts of the scripture but I think this version has missed the mark.

The topic of Hebrews 4 is rest. To change the topic to "sabbath keeping" and then back to rest I think can mislead.

Sabbath keeping implies the Jewish Ritual and NOT the rest given in Christ.
to me vv 7-8 make it very clear that we are reading about a much greater topic in verse 9 than mere ritual cessation of physical activity.


God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This He did when a long time later He spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:
“Today, if you hear His voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.
(Hebrews 4:7-8)
it is impossible to construe either of these two things as speaking about ritualized cyclical corporeal inactivity.
additionally, the fact that the author here identifies Psalm 95:7-8 as speaking about sabbath is a whopping big neon flashy bright clue that the topic is the spiritual reality pointed to by the physical sign of the sabbath command, not the shadow adherence to the written ordinance.
 
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I've read answers given by both sides, but am still undecided :confused:. I understand that most of the 613 ( i think) Mosaic Laws have been done away with, but we still have to retain the moral laws under the New Covenant.

But what bothers me is that the Sabbath commandment is one of the 10 commandments. It is still in there, so we shouldn't lump it together with the Mosaic Laws, & spirit it away with explanations of "under Grace, no longer under Law", no? I mean in Genesis, the very 1st book itself, there's an example of a Sabbath rest.

Also, "The Sabbath Day begins at sundown on Friday and ends at sundown on Saturday. "

Why are we, in this day & age, only following 9 + (1) ?

Wouldn't it be called the 9 commandments then? :unsure:

I mean, the rest of the commandments are still in effect today. We still can't murder, steal, commit adultery, but everybody turns a blind eye when it comes to the Sabbath Day commandment.

The church that i go to has a Saturday service as well :love:

Perhaps we need to dedicate 1 day of rest to the Lord, on a weekly basis. I mean we live in a fast-paced world & most everybody has no time, all the time :LOL:. It would even be better for our employers, if they could, to squeeze us to work on Sundays.

Are Christians sinning unintentionally, by not keeping the Sabbath, because we think it no longer needs to be kept? I know that i'll be sent to prison if i ever murdered or steal.
 

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I've read answers given by both sides, but am still undecided :confused:. I understand that most of the 613 ( i think) Mosaic Laws have been done away with, but we still have to retain the moral laws under the New Covenant.

But what bothers me is that the Sabbath commandment is one of the 10 commandments. It is still in there, so we shouldn't lump it together with the Mosaic Laws, & spirit it away with explanations of "under Grace, no longer under Law", no? I mean in Genesis, the very 1st book itself, there's an example of a Sabbath rest.

Also, "The Sabbath Day begins at sundown on Friday and ends at sundown on Saturday. "

Why are we, in this day & age, only following 9 + (1) ?

Wouldn't it be called the 9 commandments then? :unsure:

I mean, the rest of the commandments are still in effect today. We still can't murder, steal, commit adultery, but everybody turns a blind eye when it comes to the Sabbath Day commandment.

The church that i go to has a Saturday service as well :love:

Perhaps we need to dedicate 1 day of rest to the Lord, on a weekly basis. I mean we live in a fast-paced world & most everybody has no time, all the time :LOL:. It would even be better for our employers, if they could, to squeeze us to work on Sundays.

Are Christians sinning unintentionally, by not keeping the Sabbath, because we think it no longer needs to be kept? I know that i'll be sent to prison if i ever murdered or steal.
Read Matthew 5 and maybe you will get an understanding of what Christians follow today.
 
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I've read answers given by both sides, but am still undecided :confused:. I understand that most of the 613 ( i think) Mosaic Laws have been done away with, but we still have to retain the moral laws under the New Covenant.

But what bothers me is that the Sabbath commandment is one of the 10 commandments. It is still in there, so we shouldn't lump it together with the Mosaic Laws, & spirit it away with explanations of "under Grace, no longer under Law", no? I mean in Genesis, the very 1st book itself, there's an example of a Sabbath rest.

Also, "The Sabbath Day begins at sundown on Friday and ends at sundown on Saturday. "

Why are we, in this day & age, only following 9 + (1) ?

Wouldn't it be called the 9 commandments then? :unsure:

I mean, the rest of the commandments are still in effect today. We still can't murder, steal, commit adultery, but everybody turns a blind eye when it comes to the Sabbath Day commandment.

The church that i go to has a Saturday service as well :love:

Perhaps we need to dedicate 1 day of rest to the Lord, on a weekly basis. I mean we live in a fast-paced world & most everybody has no time, all the time :LOL:. It would even be better for our employers, if they could, to squeeze us to work on Sundays.

Are Christians sinning unintentionally, by not keeping the Sabbath, because we think it no longer needs to be kept? I know that i'll be sent to prison if i ever murdered or steal.

Ten is a remnant of the whole book of the law the bible, book of comandments .Ultimately two commandments

Matthew 22:38-40 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)This is the first and most important command. And the second command is like the first: ‘Love your neighbor the same as you love yourself.’ All of the law and the writings of the prophets take their meaning from these two commands.”

The ten listed include one as ceremonial. (no judgement used in shows or displays The goal love your niegbor in cluding them as part of the ceremonial fast. One dyt set aside a week that a person can share their bread (manna) as well as other requirement to show the true fast (the gospel)

I want a day that you take the burdens off others. I want a day when you set troubled people free and you take the burdens from their shoulders. 7 I want you to share your food with the hungry. I want you to find the poor who don’t have homes and bring them into your own homes. When you see people who have no clothes, give them your clothes! Don’t hide from your relatives when they need help.”Isiah 58

Therefore it would appear one law is set aside as ceremonial shadow as that which we can perform but not judge one another in respect to.

Just by looking at the two renderings (Exodus and Leviticus) of what is called ten commandments in that there is no indication or prompt that informs us they are all moral laws . When it comes to the sabbath a word that is not subject to time. It simply means rest. It does mean the sixth day or last day of the week the first day , it mean rest. Adding other meaning simply make the authors intent without effect. How the word sabbath ever became a time sensitive word is a mystery ?

And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day .Leviticus 5:15

For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:11

Two different reason are given as parable that speak of a shadow of the the true rest and as the spiritual understandings they must be compared to each other. One reason given is because of the seventh day God rested , This does not make it a time sensitive word. And in the other rendering he using the Exodus of Egypt.

No parable are used in the reasoning of moral laws. I would think just that reson alone would have us search for the spiritual meaning of the two parables

Colossians 2:15-17 King James Version (KJV)Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Again a shadow of the true rest ( Christ in us) it is not time sensitive any more than today as long as today is today until the last day and the new creation no longer subject to time.. But one sensitive to the real rest spoken of in Hebrews 4 .Mixing the unseen eternal things of God with the things seen the temporal as parables. Hebrews 4 informs us if they do not mix faith in what they do hear and see then they miss the gospel/good news understanding in so much that is it Christ working in us to both will and perform that which is appointed to us. If not and resist with a hard heart .There hearts will not become soft as those who do rest in Christ the true sabbath : Christ makes our hearts soft as long as today is today

Hebrews 4 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
And we still have the promise that God gave those people. That promise is that we can enter his place of rest. So we should be very careful that none of you fails to get that promise. Yes, the good news about it was told to us just as it was to them. But the message they "heard" did not help them. They heard it but did not accept it with faith. Only we who believe it are able to enter God’s place of rest. As God said,“I was angry and made a promise:‘ They will never enter my place of rest.’”
But God’s work was finished from the time he made the world. Yes, somewhere in the Scriptures he talked about the seventh day of the week. He said, “So on the seventh day God rested from all his work.”[ But in the Scripture above
God said, “They will never enter my place of rest. So the opportunity is still there for some to enter and enjoy God’s rest. But those who first heard the good news about it did not enter, because they did not obey. So God planned another special day. It is called “today.” He spoke about that day through David a long time later using the words we quoted before:m“If you hear God’s voice today, don’t be stubborn.”

It is called “today.”not the 6th day or the first day of the week the shadow that again point to today

They heard it but did not accept it with faith that does work in the believer. Trusting in a shadow and not the substance rest and using it to judge others.Like in chapter 6 tasted of the good things to come but refused to mix that with faith but rather chased after a sign and wonders gospel, no faith needed. Just stop working as in go to sleep. limit your travels sabbath walk. or words sabbath no talk. or how many time a person fasts in a day off ( three was the normal amount of times manna) and any other kosher law of men by which they judge others lord it over them.
 

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That is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Eight is the number of a New Creation. And the *morrow after the sabbath* (which is the eighth day) is very significant for Christians and for Gospel truth. The Lord's Day (Rev 1:10) happens to be the eighth day also, the day of Christ's resurrection.
The only place you can find the “Lord’s day” is Rev.1. You claim the Lord’s day in that scripture is speaking of sunday. Others say its speaking of saturday {Gods sabbath day}. Neither is correct. Its speaking of the “day of the Lord”.

REV.1 [7] Behold, HE COMETH WITH CLOUDS; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of THE EARTH SHALL WAIL because of him. Even so, Amen.[8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.[9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.[10] I was in the Spirit on THE LORD'S DAY, and heard behind me a GREAT VOICE, as of A TRUMPET,

he cometh with clouds - of a trumpet - the Lord's day - a great voice - the earth shall wail

ZEPH.1 [14] The great DAY OF THE LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even THE VOICE of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall CRY THERE BITTERLY.[15] That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a DAY OF CLOUDS and thick darkness,[16] A day of THE TRUMPET and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers

a day of clouds - of the trumpet - The great day of the LORD - even the voice - man shall cry there bitterly

See how these two scriptures are speaking of the same exact event. Pretty simple to see now that the Lords day is not sunday nor the sabbath day but another way to say the Day of the Lord. Simply read Rev.1. Why in the world would the earth wail because it was a sunday? However.......

AMOS 5 [16] Therefore the LORD, the God of hosts, the Lord, saith thus; WAILING shall be in all streets; and they shall say in all the highways, Alas! alas! and they shall call the husbandman to mourning, and such as are skilful of lamentation to WAILING. [17] And in all vineyards shall be WAILING: for I will pass through thee, saith the LORD. [18] Woe unto you that desire THE DAY OF THE LORD! to what end is it for you? THE DAY OF THE LORD is darkness, and not light.

There will be plenty of WAILING come the DAY OF THE LORD
 

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Are Christians sinning unintentionally, by not keeping the Sabbath, because we think it no longer needs to be kept? I know that i'll be sent to prison if i ever murdered or steal.
Yes some unintentionally, some willfully.

God has put His Commandments, His Word in our hearts, minds, and mouths through Jesus. How can we not keep what has been made part of us?
 

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That version didn't make a lot of sense to me.

There are certain versions that I think do a better job than the KJV in parts of the scripture but I think this version has missed the mark.

The topic of Hebrews 4 is rest. To change the topic to "sabbath keeping" and then back to rest I think can mislead.

Sabbath keeping implies the Jewish Ritual and NOT the rest given in Christ.
Different Greek words translated rest.
to me vv 7-8 make it very clear that we are reading about a much greater topic in verse 9 than mere ritual cessation of physical activity.


God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This He did when a long time later He spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:
“Today, if you hear His voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.
(Hebrews 4:7-8)
it is impossible to construe either of these two things as speaking about ritualized cyclical corporeal inactivity.
additionally, the fact that the author here identifies Psalm 95:7-8 as speaking about sabbath is a whopping big neon flashy bright clue that the topic is the spiritual reality pointed to by the physical sign of the sabbath command, not the shadow adherence to the written ordinance.
You are misunderstanding the text.