When God spoke to Israel was it for gentiles, also?

[Blik]

Exodus 19: 3 Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain, “Thus you will tell the house of Jacob, and declare to the people of Israel: 4 ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt and how I lifted you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself. 5 And now, if you will diligently listen to me and keep my covenant, then you will be my special possession out of all the nations, for all the earth is mine, 6 and you will be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you will speak to the Israelites.”

I think this shows that God always meant gentiles to be included when God spoke to Israel. Just as priests are to lead the congregation, the Jews are to lead us. This isn't happening, so we need to learn from how God taught the Israelites.

 

[Magenta]

One reason the Jews were set apart was to bring forth the Messiah; He is already come, AND instituted a new and better covenant than any of those that are included in the Older Testaments... those covenants are passing away and becoming obsolete according to Scripture.

“‘The time is coming,’ declares the LORD, ‘when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them,’ declares the LORD. ‘This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time,’ declares the LORD. ‘I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, “Know the LORD,” because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,’ declares the LORD. ‘For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.’” Jeremiah 31:31-34

Christians don’t follow Judaism today because the Mosaic covenant has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

 

[Blik]

One reason the Jews were set apart was to bring forth the Messiah; He is already come, AND instituted a new and better covenant than any of those that are included in the Older Testaments... those covenants are passing away and becoming obsolete according to Scripture.

“‘The time is coming,’ declares the LORD, ‘when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them,’ declares the LORD. ‘This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time,’ declares the LORD. ‘I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, “Know the LORD,” because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,’ declares the LORD. ‘For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.’” Jeremiah 31:31-34

Christians don’t follow Judaism today because the Mosaic covenant has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

To add a new covenant, as we are told happened, does not mean that an old covenant is cancelled. Adding anything new is not saying that we are cancelling or destroying something that we already have. When something is added it means adding, not destroying.

Also, Christ told us He came to fulfill, to do all that the OT said He would do, not change or destroy anything.

 

[Victor1999]

To add a new covenant, as we are told happened, does not mean that an old covenant is cancelled. Adding anything new is not saying that we are cancelling or destroying something that we already have. When something is added it means adding, not destroying.

Also, Christ told us He came to fulfill, to do all that the OT said He would do, not change or destroy anything.

Hebrews 8:13 NIV
By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear

Hebrews 8:13 KJV
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away

 

[Magenta]

To add a new covenant, as we are told happened, does not mean that an old covenant is cancelled. Adding anything new is not saying that we are cancelling or destroying something that we already have. When something is added it means adding, not destroying.

Also, Christ told us He came to fulfill, to do all that the OT said He would do, not change or destroy anything.

But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator
is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises. Hebrews 8:6

By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete;
and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. Hebrews 8:13

You insist on calling it "added"? Let go of the old, dear. It is made obsolete.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[SoulWeaver]

The priesthood is for the forgiveness of sins... they did sacrifices of animals, you forgive your neighbor like Jesus (the chief priest) forgave you...
And the saints rule with Jesus... because the one who serves is greater than the one being served.
Kingdom of God is an upside down pyramid of power...

 

[Noose]

The nation of Israel and what happened to them was a prophesy about this end times. Everything that happened to them in the physical sense is happening to us in the spiritual sense.

Example: it is said we are in captivity today, a spiritual Babylon. Satan has held our minds captive.

 

[Mem]

I identify with Jacob/Israel, in having grasped and contended with the new covenant which promises,"...trouble and calamity for everyone who keeps on doing evil--for the Jew first and also for the Gentile..." (Rom 2:9) and, "glory and honor and peace from God for all who do good--for the Jew first and also for the gentile..." (Rom 2:10) for "I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes--the Jew first and also the Gentile..." (Rom 1:16), hold to the heel of the "firstborn over all creation" (Col 1:15) and prevailed to come "to the congregation of the firstborn" (Heb 12:23).

 

[Magenta]

 

[Blik]

Hebrews 8:13 NIV
By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear

Hebrews 8:13 KJV
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away

Please explain what is meant by the old covenants are gone away. We know that God does not take back his promises ever. We know that the need for animal sacrifice, fleshly circumcision, and special diet is old and gone away. The rainbow is still here, and sin still means death without Christ. The covenant with Abraham is still in effect. Scripture is still scripture and is truth. What covenant is gone?

 

[Magenta]

My apologies for the error in the previous panel

 

[garee]

Exodus 19: 3 Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain, “Thus you will tell the house of Jacob, and declare to the people of Israel: 4 ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt and how I lifted you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself. 5 And now, if you will diligently listen to me and keep my covenant, then you will be my special possession out of all the nations, for all the earth is mine, 6 and you will be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you will speak to the Israelites.”

I think this shows that God always meant gentiles to be included when God spoke to Israel. Just as priests are to lead the congregation, the Jews are to lead us. This isn't happening, so we need to learn from how God taught the Israelites.

John the Baptist is the last of the Levite priest (the old order)He was used to make way for the promised new kingdom of priest after all the nation in compliance with the prophet Joel .

John the Levite baptized Jesus from the tribe of Judah this broght the heated conversation in Matherw 3:25 challenging the old order.. Introducing Jesus typified by Melchezedek (high priest continual without beginning. Jesus now baptizing ceremonially when a new person from any nation had a desire to bring the gospel out into the world.

Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying. And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven John3:25-27

Genesis 14:18And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

Psalm 110:4The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Hebrews 5:6As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

Hebrews 5:10Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

 

[Dino246]

Exodus 19: 3 Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain, “Thus you will tell the house of Jacob, and declare to the people of Israel: 4 ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt and how I lifted you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself. 5 And now, if you will diligently listen to me and keep my covenant, then you will be my special possession out of all the nations, for all the earth is mine, 6 and you will be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you will speak to the Israelites.”

I think this shows that God always meant gentiles to be included when God spoke to Israel. Just as priests are to lead the congregation, the Jews are to lead us. This isn't happening, so we need to learn from how God taught the Israelites.

"All the earth is mine" and "a kingdom of priests" do not mean that God intended the entire human population of all time to be included in old Israel. Rather, they mean that God wanted Israel to be set apart as a kingdom of priests mediating for all humanity. There is a big difference. God also knew that Israel would fail in this.

To add a new covenant, as we are told happened, does not mean that an old covenant is cancelled. Adding anything new is not saying that we are cancelling or destroying something that we already have. When something is added it means adding, not destroying.

Also, Christ told us He came to fulfill, to do all that the OT said He would do, not change or destroy anything.

We are not told that God added the new covenant to the old. Rather, we are told in Galatians 3:15, "Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case."

God did not add the new covenant in Christ's blood to the old one delivered at Sinai. Rather, He replaced the Sinai covenant. The old is gone, done, fulfilled, finished, obsolete.

 

[Dino246]

John the Levite baptized Jesus from the tribe of Judah this broght the heated conversation in Matherw 3:25 challenging the old order.. Introducing Jesus typified by Melchezedek (high priest continual without beginning. Jesus now baptizing ceremonially when a new person from any nation had a desire to bring the gospel out into the world.

There is no 'Matthew 3:25'. I think you mean Matthew 3:15, where there was a disagreement and straightforward correction, not a "heated conversation".

 

[Melach]

But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator
is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises. Hebrews 8:6

By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete;
and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. Hebrews 8:13

You insist on calling it "added"? Let go of the old, dear. It is made obsolete.

why do we even print o.t in our bibles?

i hate that idea that only some parts of the bible apply to us and rest is just unapplicable to us

 

[Nehemiah6]

why do we even print o.t in our bibles?

The OT is integral to the NT. The Bible is one volume composed of several books, and each book is there for a reason. You cannot comprehend Revelation without Genesis.

i hate that idea that only some parts of the bible apply to us and rest is just unapplicable to us

Like I told blk, take your complaint to God and ask Him why He introduced the New Covenant when according to some wiser heads it is quite unnecessary.

 

[Nehemiah6]

This isn't happening, so we need to learn from how God taught the Israelites.

You are obsessed with the Israelites, when they have been long gone. Are you thinking of time travel?

Today we have either (a) believing Jews who accept Jesus as their Messiah or (b) unbelieving Jews who reject Jesus. Take your pick.

 

[Magenta]

why do we even print o.t in our bibles?

i hate that idea that only some parts of the bible apply to us and rest is just unapplicable to us

The OT shows us God's plan from the beginning, and the long history of His people with Him. The old is also a setting of the stage for the new, rich with types and shadows of Jesus Christ... as well as prophecies concerning Him, which He fulfilled. To add to what @Dino246 said in post #14 above, a new patch is not sewn onto old cloth, nor is new wine poured into an old wineskin. Surely these are simple enough concepts for even a child to comprehend? Though sadly it does seem that some have difficulty with understanding the applicability of such.

 

[Blik]

why do we even print o.t in our bibles?

i hate that idea that only some parts of the bible apply to us and rest is just unapplicable to us

I don't think that there can be an understanding of God and His kingdom when we decide that what is in the OT is done away with by the new covenant. God is eternal, there simply is not an old God and a God that wiped out all to give something new. It is a better covenant because it is not dependent on physical rituals to be understood and acted on, but our eternal God does not change His principles and those principles are told to us in the Torah.

The sacrificial system is obsolete, gone, done with. But Christ is our sacrificial lamb and to understand Christ we can go to what we are told the sacrificial system did. Christ does all of this, only better. Christ is our high priest, and to learn what that means to us we can go to the duties of the high priest before Christ for that is what Christ does, only better.

The idea that we are so much superior to any Jew, and we know God and they don't is not the truth. Paul warned us against having that idea.