Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[PS]

circumcision isn't a purification rite. it's a physical sign of a covenant.



Who is the God of Moses?

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This is the God of Moses
And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle,
and all their flocks, and all their goods. And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation
of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho. And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
(Num 31:9-18)

The God of Moses is the destroyer. He kills, steals, burns, rapes, and what does God who is spirit want with gold?

We have therefore brought an oblation for the LORD, what every man hath gotten, of jewels of gold, chains, and bracelets, rings, earrings, and tablets, to make an atonement for our souls before the LORD. And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of them, even all wrought jewels. And all the gold of the offering that they offered up to the LORD, of the captains of thousands, and of the captains of hundreds, was sixteen thousand seven hundred and fifty shekels. (For the men of war had taken spoil, every man for himself.) And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of the captains of thousands and of hundreds, and brought it into the tabernacle of the congregation, for a memorial for the children of Israel before the LORD.
(Num 31:50-54 KJV)

 

[Dan_473]

The real questions are,

Are you living under the law or grace? Are you walking in the Spirit? Are you daily asking to be fill with the Holy Spirit?

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you: Did ye receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 5:18 But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Luke 2:40 And the Child grew and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon Him.

Yes, amen, walking by the spirit!

One question I have is if the spirit will lead some people to deal with just one law, for example love your neighbor.

but someone else the spirit might lead to physically keep some of the laws that Moses wrote down in the wilderness.

I think the answer is yes, as the Spirit led Paul to live as a Jew in some cases
1 Corinthians 9: 20. To the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain those who are under the law.

But for me though, living around gentiles in the 21st century in western civilization, I feel the spirit leave me just to keep the one law.

 

[wokinluv]

Can you see the true God and the Antichrist?

The anti-Christ says:
Jeremiah 7:21 Thus says Yahweh of Armies, the God of Israel: Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices, and eat meat.

Ezekiel 20:40 For in my holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, says the Lord Yahweh, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them, serve me in the land: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the first fruits of your offerings, with all your holy things.

Ezekiel 44:15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, who performed the duty of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister to me; and they shall stand before me to offer to me the fat and the blood, says the Lord Yahweh:

The pre-incarnate Jesus says:
In every city of Judah he made high places to burn incense to other gods, and provoked to anger Yahweh, the God of his fathers. 2 Chronicles 28:25

“What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the Lord; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of goats.(Isaiah 1:11)

Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations—I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly. (Isaiah 1:13)

Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. (Deu 12:31 KJV)

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply here but I'm sure these may help;

In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. Hebrews 1:1-2

...Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.” Romans 3:4

Confess Jesus as your Lord and Walk in Love.

His love endures forever.

 

[Grandpa]

"The Holy Spirit is given by hearing of faith not by any work of the law. If they started off in the Spirit (now being cleansed by Christ) why are they going backwards trying to cleanse themselves with purification rites from the law which were just shadows; fleshy examples of the work Christ would do?"

Why do you switch from law to "purification rites"?

The Holy Spirit is given by fath not by work at the law.

If they started off in the Spirit why are they going backwards to work at the law?

Working at the law is the subject here. Purification rites are not mentioned.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Did I? Or did I give an example of a King operating in his sovereignty? You filled that strawmen with fluff.




Tiz cuz I ain't one lol.

The problem with arguing with you Grandpa is the energy it takes to correct errors in claims before making counter-points.

Which was given first? The levitical law or the Commandments? Which was sealed in the blood of the covenant?




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The levitical law was required because the commandments could not be kept.

If it were not for the commands. The levitical law would have had no purpose, As paul said apart fromt he law no one could be charged, but then came the law. And everyone died. Because the law said do not do, and we have done (guilty as charged)

So a sacrifice was required. Of course. The sacrifice of bull and goat could never take away sin, so a new testament had to be made, This testament is the blood of the redeemer.

Why? Because of the commandments, Why? Because we are guilty as charged.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you saw that huh?

No, he clearly states he does not need to repent, just ask forgiveness. Then he tried to back up his contention that repentance is unnecessary by saying "God knows my heart"

We have all been through this with him before. He is potentially, likely dealing with unrepentant hence unforgiven sin.

Easy place to slip into. We must all seek deep meaningful repentance for any sin that has crept in.

SG

Um

Actually what he did was say if you have not repented you have no faith. So he does believe one has to repent. (So once again you are seen as untruthful, because you refvuse to sit down and listen to what I have to say.)

When you sinned against your father did you go beg him forgiveness? Did you have to get on your knees every time you sinned and repent? Or did you go to him and confess your sin to him. And did he say thank you son. If you did not repent I was going to have to remove you from my family? Or did he take you in his arms, say he loved you and you were already forgive (then impose whatever punishment fit the crime?)

How do you correct your kids? Do you love them unconditionally. Or are they required to repent and beg forgiveness as a condition of staying in your family?

Now ask yourself. Why would God be any different?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are you living under the law or grace?

Romans 4:16 So people get what God promised by having faith. This happens so that the promise can be a free gift. And if the promise is a free gift, then all of Abraham’s people will get that promise. The promise is not just for those who live under the Law of Moses. It is for all who live with faith as Abraham did. He is the father of us all.

Galatians 2:19 It was the law itself that caused me to end my life under the law. I died to the law so that I could live for God. I have been nailed to the cross with Christ.

Galatians 3:10 But people who depend on following the law to make them right are under a curse. As the Scriptures say, “They must do everything that is written in the law. If they do not always obey, they are under a curse.”

Galatians 5:18 But if you let the Spirit lead you, you are not under law. See Gal 5, II Peter 1 and Romans 8

Hebrews 7:11The people were given the law under the system of priests from the tribe of Levi. But no one could be made spiritually perfect through that system of priests. So there was a need for another priest to come. I mean a priest like Melchizedek, not Aaron.

Are you Jewish or part of one of the tribes of Israel?

Leviticus 19 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
19 And the Lord spoke unto Moses, saying,

2 “Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them: ‘Ye shall be holy, for I the Lord your God am holy.

3 Ye shall fear every man his mother and his father, and keep My Sabbaths: I am the Lord your God.

Exodus 20 New International Version (NIV)
The Ten Commandments
20 And God spoke all these words:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

Deuteronomy 5 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
5 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.

3 The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

4 The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire

5 (I stood between the Lord and you at that time to show you the word of the Lord, for ye were afraid by reason of the fire and went not up into the mount), saying:

6 “‘I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

7 “‘Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth.

9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I, the Lord thy God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me,

10 and showing mercy unto thousands of them that love Me and keep My commandments.

11 “‘Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain.

12 “‘Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee.

13 Six days thou shalt labor and do all thy work,

Short Answer, Galatians 5:18 But if you let the Spirit lead you, you are not under law. See Gal 5, II Peter 1 and Romans 8

14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: In it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates, that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

The question is what people are trying to impose on others..

We are living under grace..but sadly, some still want to mix in law.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Copied froma places on the internet that I lost
Paraphrased


Torah "to teach or instruct" Divine or Human.
Through the Law God shows His interest in all aspects of man's life. Motivated by love God instructs his people in the ways of Wisdom and knowledge. Gods law is given for our good, its regulations, protection, prosperity.

The Law reveals' the mind of God. His Will in His commandment and His commandment is His Law. Law is divine, perfect the Supreme Law of the entire earth. Universal to all areas of life and to every living souls.

The law contains ceremonial truths, moral truths, dietary truths. Speaks of mans duty toward God and man's duty toward fellow man.

The law addresses, philosophy, psychology, biology, physics, all other sciences, economics, ecology, Theology, culture, politics, military relations, international and domestic. family life, church life, business, criminal and civil law and every aspect of life thinkable. God regulates life by HIS PERFECT LAW.

New Testament word for Law is Nomos. Theonomic Theo=God - Nomos=Law. New Testament just as much Gods Law, as Torah

God is law giver. His Word is His Law, hence every word that proceeds from Him is law.

The new testament explains the old, new contained in old, old acts as cases of applied jurisprudence

When you study both Old and New you find New is simply an augmentation of what is already containd in the old.

Throw out law throw out God.

The old Covenant shows people its NEED for God, The new Covenant shows how to fulfill the need

New Covenant spiritual, and founded on obedience of the heart and fulfilling Gods law not only to the letter but also the spiritual intent.


@biblestudy
The New Covenant promises spiritual blessings (John 3:16, Hebrews 8:6, 9:15, Romans 8, Luke 18:29 - 30), such as eternal life full of love and glory for those who are obedient. Additionally, unlike the Old Covenant, the new one promises eternal death to those who knowingly reject submitting to the Father.

The Old Covenant, unlike the New (see our article on the Jerusalem Conference) required physical circumcision (Genesis 17:9, Exodus 12:48, John 7:22) and people under it were not (with a few exceptions) given God's Spirit (Romans 7:6, Hebrews 8:7 - 9, Matthew 5:21 - 45).

The New Covenant, in contrast to the Old, requires circumcision (repentance) of the heart (Acts 2:38, 3:19, Romans 2:25 - 29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11 - 13) and the Holy Spirit is made freely available to believers (Matthew 5:21 - 48, Romans 7:6, Galatians 2:20, Hebrews 8:10 - 12).

Under the Old Covenant system, physical works of law such as animal sacrifices were required (Leviticus 1 - 7). These sacrifices were made to justify a person but only to an earthly tabernacle (Hebrews 5:1 - 3, 9:1 - 13). A human High Priest served in the tabernacle as an intercessor between God and man (Hebrews 8:3 - 5, Exodus 28:1).
Under the New Covenant, Jesus' sacrifice, the fruits of God's spirit and good works are required (Hebrews 9:10, 10:12, 13:15, Galatians 5:22 - 24, Ephesians 2:10, Romans 12:1 - 2, Matthew 19:17, Mark 15:15 - 18).

Christ's sacrifice, in God's heavenly temple, forgives and justifies those who repent and are baptized (Hebrews 7:25 - 27, 9:23 - 28 Acts 11:18, Galatians 2:20, Romans 3:24 - 25). Jesus continually serves as man's spiritual High Priest and intercessor (Hebrews 4:14 - 16, 5:1 - 9, 7:17, Hebrews 8:1 - 2, 9:11).

Under the Old Covenant, if the letter of the law was obeyed, a person could access God through an earth-based tabernacle (Hebrews 9:13, Galatians 3:12, Leviticus 18:5, 2 Corinthians 3:16). No direct access to him was available or offered (Hebrews 9:6 - 8, 10:19).


The New Covenant offered by Christ, however, unlike the Old Covenant, gives those who obey one-on-one access to the Father through him (John 4:23 - 24, 16:23 - 27, Hebrews 6:20, 10:23, Romans 8:9 - 39, Ephesians 2:18 - 22, 2 Corinthians 3:6). This means that believers can talk to him at any time no matter where they are (Matthew 27:51, Hebrews 4:14 - 16, Ephesians 7:25 - 27, John 16, Galatians 4:6 - 7, Romans 8:15, Ephesians 2:18).

Lastly, those who were in the Old Covenant agreement could not have their consciences made clean or perfect before God in heaven (Hebrews 9:9, 10:4, 11). In the New Covenant made possible through Jesus' blood, however, a believer's sins can be spiritually forgiven. The Holy Spirit within them is able to purge their consciences and make them wholly acceptable to the Father (Hebrews 10:14 - 17, 2Corinthians 3:9, Colossians 1:27, Matthew 5:48, etc.).

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Treatment of Gentiles
Marriage, Divorce and Family
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Times and Seasons
Dietary Laws
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Property and Property Rights
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Hey I am still waiting for an answer

How can you say you believe in grace (unmerited favor) yet refuse to believe in eternal security (based on unmerited favor)

 

[Grandpa]

Hey I am still waiting for an answer

How can you say you believe in grace (unmerited favor) yet refuse to believe in eternal security (based on unmerited favor)

ITs because of a misunderstanding of what Grace is.

And then because of that misunderstanding, their work and their decisions is what achieves eternal life, not Grace.


You can't be a worker at the law and believe in eternal security, they are not compatible with each other. Otherwise there is no consequence for NOT working at the law. Can't have that...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why do you switch from law to "purification rites"?

The Holy Spirit is given by fath not by work at the law.

If they started off in the Spirit why are they going backwards to work at the law?

Working at the law is the subject here. Purification rites are not mentioned.

And I may add,, It says are you trying to be perfected in the flesh (by your own power or your own works) which while context here is working at the law. Can be used of any kind of deed of the flesh. (A modern dat example would be like those trying to perfect what they have with faith, with water baptism)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

ITs because of a misunderstanding of what Grace is.

And then because of that misunderstanding, their work and their decisions is what achieves eternal life, not Grace.


You can't be a worker at the law and believe in eternal security, they are not compatible with each other. Otherwise there is no consequence for NOT working at the law. Can't have that...

Well this is true, there was no eternal life in the law. The high priest still had to once a year make atonement for all sin If he did not. The whole nation would die.

So there has to be sacrifice in the law for every sin,, thus their can never be eternal life.

Thats Why that covenant was so incapably of justifying us. Because no one could make it.

 

[Yahshua]

circumcision isn't a purification rite. it's a physical sign of a covenant.

Deuteronomy 30
The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, and you will love Him with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live.

Colossians 2:11
In Him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christ and not by human hands.


It was also made the sign of the covenant, but yes it os indeed an act of purification/cleansing that Christ would perform. The difference between the shadow and the true form is one is physical and does nothing for the heart while the other is spiritual and completes the work.

Circumcision is for purification, which is why it was no longer needed after belief in Christ. Christ purifies. Christ justifies.

 

[NayborBear]

So much contradictory stuff in here

Can I ask you a question.

How can you believe in grace (unmerited favor) yet not believe in eternal security

Why do you think you must merit your salvation whch God calls of grace?

"A" problem for some? THEE problem for many more? Which is "a" why, there are so many disagreements and arguments?
Is that the "Gospel Armor" Is a "Living/Growing" Armor!
It's not a "one size fits all" armor, as many people are so wanting in their instilling upon others.
1 Thessalonians 5:8
But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the HOPE of salvation.
As can be witnessed on this, as well as many other threads, and even "in the world?"
They frustrate the Grace of God, in their overusing their "breastplates" of faith and love, and in doing so? Throwing their "Helmet/s of HOPE" under the bus!
Of course, in this design of illustration, leaves their head/s wide open to attack. (meaning their grey matter)
Meaning, that they've taken so many blows to the head that they are unfit, and CAN'T venture OUT into battle! Which leaves them where?! Cause God CAN'T/WON'T use them! Jesus will, for the "small fry" (great commission), so to speak. Meaning NO disrespect! Rather? More of a "disappointment" though, for the ensuing "lack of knowledge", that comes afterwards.
Romans 15
4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, EVEN the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
For how can "anyone" teach that which he/she themselves are unable to "see", let alone "enter into?" Except through the "vanity" of their own divinations.
The "result?"
Romans 6
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
"Hot House Lillie's" "Cookie Cutter/Stony Grounded Christians"
Using the "same" weapon, time after time, to HALT "every advance of "hope", and turning it into "the CERTAINITY of ETERNAL salvation!
Which can be seen time after time after time in the N.T.? That this is most certainly not the case!

1 Corinthians 9
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

Tell me again, why the "law of Moses" needs be thrown under the bus?

So that you may "stablish the law" of replacing "HOPE" with "CERTAINITY?!"

Not on my watch, y'all ain't! As I "hope", it is the same for others, on "their" watch/es!

For this is what happens when too many rocks, hit too many heads, too many times!

 

[posthuman]

.
This is the God of Moses
And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle,
and all their flocks, and all their goods. And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation
of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho. And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
(Num 31:9-18)

The God of Moses is the destroyer. He kills, steals, burns, rapes, and what does God who is spirit want with gold?

We have therefore brought an oblation for the LORD, what every man hath gotten, of jewels of gold, chains, and bracelets, rings, earrings, and tablets, to make an atonement for our souls before the LORD. And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of them, even all wrought jewels. And all the gold of the offering that they offered up to the LORD, of the captains of thousands, and of the captains of hundreds, was sixteen thousand seven hundred and fifty shekels. (For the men of war had taken spoil, every man for himself.) And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of the captains of thousands and of hundreds, and brought it into the tabernacle of the congregation, for a memorial for the children of Israel before the LORD.
(Num 31:50-54 KJV)

You think Moses was worshiping Baal, and Baal was who brought them out of Egypt?
Because you don't understand why God ordered them to slay all the people who were actually worshiping Baal and enticing them to do the same?

'spare the lives of the young virgin girls' isn't a command to rape them.

 

[Grandpa]

"A" problem for some? THEE problem for many more? Which is "a" why, there are so many disagreements and arguments?
Is that the "Gospel Armor" Is a "Living/Growing" Armor!
It's not a "one size fits all" armor, as many people are so wanting in their instilling upon others.
1 Thessalonians 5:8
But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the HOPE of salvation.
As can be witnessed on this, as well as many other threads, and even "in the world?"
They frustrate the Grace of God, in their overusing their "breastplates" of faith and love, and in doing so? Throwing their "Helmet/s of HOPE" under the bus!
Of course, in this design of illustration, leaves their head/s wide open to attack. (meaning their grey matter)
Meaning, that they've taken so many blows to the head that they are unfit, and CAN'T venture OUT into battle! Which leaves them where?! Cause God CAN'T/WON'T use them! Jesus will, for the "small fry" (great commission), so to speak. Meaning NO disrespect! Rather? More of a "disappointment" though, for the ensuing "lack of knowledge", that comes afterwards.
Romans 15
4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, EVEN the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
For how can "anyone" teach that which he/she themselves are unable to "see", let alone "enter into?" Except through the "vanity" of their own divinations.
The "result?"
Romans 6
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
"Hot House Lillie's" "Cookie Cutter/Stony Grounded Christians"
Using the "same" weapon, time after time, to HALT "every advance of "hope", and turning it into "the CERTAINITY of ETERNAL salvation!
Which can be seen time after time after time in the N.T.? That this is most certainly not the case!

1 Corinthians 9
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

Tell me again, why the "law of Moses" needs be thrown under the bus?

So that you may "stablish the law" of replacing "HOPE" with "CERTAINITY?!"

Not on my watch, y'all ain't! As I "hope", it is the same for others, on "their" watch/es!

For this is what happens when too many rocks, hit too many heads, too many times!

If your hope is uncertainty then it is not hope at all. Maybe that helmet of hope isn't even there.

If your hope is certain that helmet is pretty strong.


Can we trust in what the Lord has said for CERTAIN?

Or is it much better to work instead and then hope your work is good enough?


Its your choice. I just hope you start making better ones. Better start asking for help.

 

[posthuman]

Deuteronomy 30
The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, and you will love Him with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live.

Colossians 2:11
In Him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christ and not by human hands.


It was also made the sign of the covenant, but yes it os indeed an act of purification/cleansing that Christ would perform. The difference between the shadow and the true form is one is physical and does nothing for the heart while the other is spiritual and completes the work.

Circumcision is for purification, which is why it was no longer needed after belief in Christ. Christ purifies. Christ justifies.

The circumcision not made with hands, yes
Thanks

But was physical circumcision ever called purification?
What was it explained to Abraham as, and what did the law describe it as?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The circumcision not made with hands, yes
Thanks

But was physical circumcision ever called purification?
What was it explained to Abraham as, and what did the law describe it as?

how was a female circumcized so she could be cleansed?

 

[Yahshua]

Why do you switch from law to "purification rites"?

The Holy Spirit is given by fath not by work at the law.

If they started off in the Spirit why are they going backwards to work at the law?

Working at the law is the subject here. Purification rites are not mentioned.

But does the passage say "working at the law" or "works of the law"? which if it said what you've been saying, yes it would agree it means "doing the law".

But in the passage the greek word translated as "work" is a noun ("ergon") not a verb, meaning "tasks" or "deeds". Paul is talking about specific tasks enumerated in the law. But which one? All of them? Or specific ones?

Next, Paul establishes the context of which tasks he means with the word "justified".

Justification is specifically talking about "cleansing of oneself of their iniquity/sin". Purification.

The only tasks instructed in the law in context of "justification" (cleansing/restoration) are the purification rites: anything that has to do with blood being shed or separating oneself for cleanliness or forgiveness.

A work/task of the law here = a purification rite.

Notice the premise Paul establishes in chapter 2, setting up the situation. Peter is rebuked for separating himself from gentile believers and no longer eating with them, as if they're still unclean.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Deuteronomy 30
The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, and you will love Him with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live.

Colossians 2:11
In Him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christ and not by human hands.

It was also made the sign of the covenant, but yes it os indeed an act of purification/cleansing that Christ would perform. The difference between the shadow and the true form is one is physical and does nothing for the heart while the other is spiritual and completes the work.

Circumcision is for purification, which is why it was no longer needed after belief in Christ. Christ purifies. Christ justifies.

Right on.
Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Also the Old testament speaks about cutting off "the foreskins of your hearts" (removing the flesh from us)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But does the passage say "working at the law" or "works of the law"? which if it said what you've been saying, yes it would agree it means "doing the law".

But in the passage the greek word translated as "work" is a noun ("ergon") not a verb, meaning "tasks" or "deeds". Paul is talking about specific tasks enumerated in the law. But which one? All of them? Or specific ones?

Next, Paul establishes the context of which tasks he means with the word "justified".

Justification is specifically talking about "cleansing of oneself of their iniquity/sin". Purification.

The only tasks instructed in the law in context of "justification" (cleansing/restoration) are the purification rites: anything that has to do with blood being shed or separating oneself for cleanliness or forgiveness.

A work/task of the law here = a purification rite.

Notice the premise Paul establishes in chapter 2, setting up the situation. Peter is rebuked for separating himself from gentile believers and no longer eating with them, as if they're still unclean.

The law says to honor your father and mother

when you do this, you are doing a task.

if you are doing it BECAUSE the law says do it, you are completing a task of the law.

Once again, Moses said that the people must confirm and OBEY EVERY WORD.

So being obedient to the law and not breaking any of them was a work at being justified in your actions (by what you do)

so yes. Working at the ten commands is also a work of justification. (of course, once you break one, your done)