Luke 17 - Where are they taken?

garee · Aug 27, 2019

Dead bodies do not respect with converted mankind .Let the dead bury the dead.

Parables are prophecy as a source of faith (no difference) .He spoke in many manners.

Many make parables into nice little stories with no spiritual value as fictional tales (the literalizers )

The Bible informs us that without parables using the things seen to gives us the unseen spiritual understanding, the gospel, he spoke not.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The use of the unclean to represent unbelief is not something to be ignored . search it out. It is used just as Balaam Ass to represent God is not served by human hands as if he who satisfies all nededs neded something from the clay he is forming in .he can use a unbeliever to bring the gospel as well as one that has no faith .

Leviticus 11:1And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,

Jesus is not foreshadowed as an eagle in the Old Testament, an eagle is typified as a uncelan fowl . Jesus is typified as a lamb in parables. if the Ass is not redeemed with a lamb break its neck .

iamsoandso · Aug 27, 2019

KJV1611 said:

A while back me and you discussed whether or not the disciples believed that Jesus would return in a second coming at the time of the O.D. or if they only understood the concept of him coming as the Messiah at that time. We discussed many Scriptures and examined their reaction to his death about this do you remember our discussion? I am asking you this because of this thread and what you are discussing in another thread(same OD/end of age question).

KJV1611 · Aug 27, 2019

Nehemiah6 said:

Here's the lightning of Mattew 24-27:

Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Mat 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:

The lightning was the countenance of Jesus descending from heaven at his resurrection. And don't tell me that "The Angel of the Lord" is anyone else but Christ himself.

Just because something is mentioned in Revelation doesn't mean it's future.

iamsoandso · Aug 27, 2019

Nehemiah6 said:

We should also include the passage from Matthew

THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST AND THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together... (24:27,28; SEE REV 19)

Just like everyone sees lighting when it occurs, the whole unbelieving world will see the literal Second Coming of Christ and mourn (Rev 1:7). His first order of business will be the battle of Armageddon, where there will be millions of carcases lying around and God will summon all the birds of prey (including eagles) to come and feast (see Rev 19).

THE RAPTURE: UNANNOUNCED AND UNEXPECTED (Matthew 24)
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Here we have a different scenario. The saints will be taken up to Heaven by Christ at the Rapture (1 Thess 4) and the unsaved will be left behind. This is compared to Noah, whose family was taken into the Ark (a type of Christ) while those left behind were utterly wiped out in the Flood.

Luke DID NOT write everything chronologically, and even Matthew puts the Second Coming ahead of the Rapture (which is impossible since all the saints accompany Christ at His coming). Therefore we need to take all Scriptures into account and see the sequence of events: (1) the Rapture, (2) the Tribulation, (3) the Great Tribulation, (4) the Second Coming.

In Revelation chapter 5 several times it is pointed out that the 7 sealed scroll could not be opened or looked upon but that it was opened because the Lamb was slain. Do you think that Jesus mentioned the things in the 7 sealed scroll at the Olivet Discourse for them to look upon before he was slain?

KJV1611 · Aug 27, 2019

garee said:

Eze 17:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 17:2 Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;
Eze 17:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; A great eagle with great wings, longwinged, full of feathers, which had divers colours, came unto Lebanon, and took the highest branch of the cedar:
Eze 17:4 He cropped off the top of his young twigs, and carried it into a land of traffick; he set it in a city of merchants.
Eze 17:5 He took also of the seed of the land, and planted it in a fruitful field; he placed it by great waters, and set it as a willow tree.
Eze 17:6 And it grew, and became a spreading vine of low stature, whose branches turned toward him, and the roots thereof were under him: so it became a vine, and brought forth branches, and shot forth sprigs.

Who is that eagle?

KJV1611 · Aug 27, 2019

iamsoandso said:

I do remember the conversion but not much of the details. By the way do you know what happened to the other two guys, I can't remember their names right off but I have seen either of them posting lately. I think Locutus was one of them.

iamsoandso · Aug 27, 2019

KJV1611 said:

Yes locutus was one of them I liked talking with him too and hope he's well(I cant remember the other).

KJV1611 · Aug 27, 2019

iamsoandso said:

It was PlainWord. PlainWord had open heart surgery or something major like that back when we were all talking together. Amen, I liked the both of them too and hope they are well.

iamsoandso · Aug 27, 2019

KJV1611 said:

Me too. I didn't know about PlainWord I hope he's well also.

Ahwatukee · Aug 27, 2019

KJV1611 said:

Those who are taken will become the dead bodies. They're being taken by the angels to be killed by that double-edged sword.

When Jesus said, "one will be taken" the disciples said, "Where, Lord," i.e. where are they going to be taken? Then Jesus answers "wherever the carcass (dead body) is, there will the vultures be gathered. Therefore, the "one taken" group, which represent the wicked, are those who will be collected by the angels at the end of the age and will be taken to Jesus to be killed by that double-edged sword, where their spirits are thrown into the furnace.

KJV1611 · Aug 27, 2019

Ahwatukee said:

Where does the verse say the ones taken will become dead bodies? The verse says "Wheresoever THE BODY is" not bodies. Let the verse say what it says.

Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Lafftur · Aug 27, 2019

KJV1611 said:

Hello KJV1611,

Interesting insight. I think you might be right. The body is the Body of Christ and the eagles are believers.

iamsoandso said:

Job 39:27-30 King James Version (KJV)
27 Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high?

28 She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place.

29 From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off.

30 Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she.

It's interesting that Job refers to the eagle as a "she" so, it can't be Christ. It would have to be His Bride. The Rock is Yeshua/Jesus where she dwells, in Christ and seated with Christ in heavenly places - The Heavenly Realm.

From the Heavenly Realm she seeks the prey which is the souls of man (God gives us the heathen as our inheritance), to deliver them. Her eyes are spiritual eyesight, the Holy Spirit gives her insight and understanding of prophetic things concerning the souls of man.

Her young ones are new believers in Christ which suck up blood by receiving the Blood of the Lamb of God for forgiveness of their sins - the atoning Blood of Christ, our Savior.

"...where the slain are, there is she," speaks of those that are dead in Christ - as Paul said, "It is no longer I that liveth but, Christ that liveth in me." The slain can be believers that have physically died and those that are alive on the Earth now.

Ahwatukee · Aug 27, 2019

KJV1611 said:

I am Letting the verse say what it says and bringing in the other scriptures which support the end of the age. It's just a matter of you understanding the events which take place as Jesus is returning to the earth to end the age.

"Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left."

Where, Lord (where are they going to be taken?)

"Jesus answered, “Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.”

Those who are taken, are taken by the angels as the Lord is returning to the earth to end the age. They are alive when they are taken and are then killed by that double-edged sword that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord. Below is what happens to them when the angels take them to the Lord:

"And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

"The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh."

In conclusion, the "one taken" group who are being compared to the wicked who are taken in the flood, will be collected/taken by the angels at the end of the age and will be brought to where Armageddon is taking place and all of those kings, generals, mighty men, horses and the "one taken" group will be killed. This entire group will be made up of all the wicked who survive the tribulation period.

KJV1611 · Aug 27, 2019

Lafftur said:

Hello KJV1611,

Interesting insight. I think you might be right. The body is the Body of Christ and the eagles are believers.

Job 39:27-30 King James Version (KJV)
27 Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high?

28 She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place.

29 From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off.

30 Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she.

It's interesting that Job refers to the eagle as a "she" so, it can't be Christ. It would have to be His Bride. The Rock is Yeshua/Jesus where she dwells, in Christ and seated with Christ in heavenly places - The Heavenly Realm.

From the Heavenly Realm she seeks the prey which is the souls of man (God gives us the heathen as our inheritance), to deliver them. Her eyes are spiritual eyesight, the Holy Spirit gives her insight and understanding of prophetic things concerning the souls of man.

Her young ones are new believers in Christ which suck up blood by receiving the Blood of the Lamb of God for forgiveness of their sins - the atoning Blood of Christ, our Savior.

"...where the slain are, there is she," speaks of those that are dead in Christ - as Paul said, "It is no longer I that liveth but, Christ that liveth in me." The slain can be believers that have physically died and those that are alive on the Earth now.

I like the way you think! I have more to comment on your post but I have to be away for a while. Nice contribution thanks.

Ahwatukee · Aug 27, 2019

Lafftur said:

Good day Laffur,

"The body" is not the body of Christ.

"Wherever the carcass (dead body) is, there will the eagles/vultures be gathered"

In the scripture, the "one taken" group are compared to those taken in the flood, which makes them wicked as well. Based on this along, the reference to "the body" can not referring to the body of Christ. To interpret it that way, would be terrible misapplication.

In Luke's version when the Jesus says "one will be taken" the disciples ask "where, Lord" i.e. where are they going to be taken? Jesus answers "wherever there is a carcass, there will the eagles/vultures be gathered," which is referring to the following event which takes place when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age.

"And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

"The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh."

The "one taken" group are collected by the angels at the end of the age while they are still alive and then are killed by the double-edged sword. At that point the eagles/vultures that the angel will have gathered will gorge themselves on their dead bodies.

Nehemiah6 · Aug 27, 2019

iamsoandso said:

The Olivet Discourse was a preview of what is revealed in Revelation. If you compare it carefully with the seven seals, you will note that the first five seals were already opened after the Revelation was written down (and their events continue to this day). The 6th and 7th seals are yet future. But there is no direct mention of the Rapture, the Church, or churches after Revelation 3.

When we are rightly dividing the Word of Truth, we are to be looking at everything from Genesis to Revelation. The question about the eagles and the carcase(s) is answered in Revelation 19, but only hinted at in Matthew and Luke.

And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the [carrion] fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great... And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh [from their carcases]. (Rev 19:17,18,21)

The supernatural slaughter of the enemies of Israel and Christ at Armageddon will be such that a river of blood will flow such as has never been seen:

And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city [outside Jerusalem in the plain of Armageddon], and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs. (Rev 14:19,20)

Horses bridles are about five feet off the ground, so the river of blood will be 200 miles long and five feet deep!

iamsoandso · Aug 27, 2019

Nehemiah6 said:

The Olivet Discourse was a preview of what is revealed in Revelation. If you compare it carefully with the seven seals, you will note that the first five seals were already opened after the Revelation was written down (and their events continue to this day). The 6th and 7th seals are yet future. But there is no direct mention of the Rapture, the Church, or churches after Revelation 3.

When we are rightly dividing the Word of Truth, we are to be looking at everything from Genesis to Revelation. The question about the eagles and the carcase(s) is answered in Revelation 19, but only hinted at in Matthew and Luke.

And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the [carrion] fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great... And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh [from their carcases]. (Rev 19:17,18,21)

The supernatural slaughter of the enemies of Israel and Christ at Armageddon will be such that a river of blood will flow such as has never been seen:

And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city [outside Jerusalem in the plain of Armageddon], and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs. (Rev 14:19,20)

Horses bridles are about five feet off the ground, so the river of blood will be 200 miles long and five feet deep!

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/5.htm maybe you misunderstood me, here's the Scriptures(see verse 9) your saying it is a preview in the O.D. of somthing the Scriptures say was not opened or looked on untill after he was slain. Jesus had not been slain when he spoke the O.D. and so it had not been opened yet or looked on right?

Ahwatukee · Aug 27, 2019

Nehemiah6 said:

I'm surprised! I did not know that you believed that we have already gone through the first five seals.

Since I understand that the 1st seal rider on the white horse is figuratively representing the antichrist and he has yet to be revealed, then we couldn't possibly have started the seals yet. Not only that, but there is humongous problem with the next three seals as well.

"When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!” Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword."

To say that peace has been taken from the earth so that people kill each other, would be to greatly decrease the severity of this seal judgment. When this takes place it will be like nothing the world has every seen, not some passive, historical event.

"When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “Two pounds a of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!”

The above represents world-wide famine which the world has never seen. A small amount of food for a lot of money.

"When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth."

A fourth of the earth is killed in the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. This should not be considered over a 2000 year time period, but a very shot time period, which demonstrates the severity of these seals.

The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will take place after the church has been removed and that because they all make of God's wrath. Since believers are not appointed to suffer God's wrath, then we can't be here.

I continue to say, that people are greatly underestimating or diminishing the impact of these coming plagues of wrath. Once the church is gone, then these three sets of plagues will be nothing like the world has ever seen, unprecedented and without human recovery. In other words, they are not to be compared to bygone historical events, because they will be unique and unqualed.

MessageOfTheCross · Aug 27, 2019

KJV1611 said:

This refers directly to the Battle of Armageddon, and not the Rapture as some think! Ezek. 39:17

JSM

Ahwatukee · Aug 27, 2019

MessageOfTheCross said:

I totally agree! I have been contending for this true for many years. I think that the error primarily has to with not taking all related scriptures into consideration. This is especially true in Revelation, which is why we have all of these erroneous interpretations floating around.

I'm have always been amazed at the number of teacher/pastors who are teaching this as referring to the rapture.

One taken = the wicked (taken by the angels to be killed)

One left = The righteous (gathered after the wicked)

Luke 17 - Where are they taken?

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