Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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you said, 'they are given by the Father .. so they are God's laws'
the same God gave Noah a law: every creature that moves will be food for you.
do you also call that God's law? it comes from the very same Father.
what then does it mean, if He told Adam only plants are to be his food, and told Noah all food is clean, and then He told the children of Israel, these certain foods shall be unclean for you? and after this, He showed Peter every kind of animal and told him, rise, kill, eat. scripture isn't broken. His law is perfect, and He does not lie, neither does He tempt anyone to sin. which is His true law?
that's how it relates. what is the true meaning of 'law' and what is the true 'law' ?
the same God gave Noah a law: every creature that moves will be food for you.
do you also call that God's law? it comes from the very same Father.
what then does it mean, if He told Adam only plants are to be his food, and told Noah all food is clean, and then He told the children of Israel, these certain foods shall be unclean for you? and after this, He showed Peter every kind of animal and told him, rise, kill, eat. scripture isn't broken. His law is perfect, and He does not lie, neither does He tempt anyone to sin. which is His true law?
that's how it relates. what is the true meaning of 'law' and what is the true 'law' ?
The law even then didn't save a people.
God's ten commands stand forever and ever. Psalm 111:7-8 and also the Apostle Saint Paul's writing in the Book of Ephesians chapter 2 and verse 15.
"Where no law is, there is no transgression or sin." Book of Romans chapter 4 and verse 15.
How would God's law not exist any longer when today's people are still finding themselves called to God's grace so as to be saved from their sins?
In the Book of 2nd Chronicles chapter 35. The Book of Moses Law pertained to the ordinances that guided a people until the Messiah. Then it perished at the foot of the cross, as we're told in the Book of Ephesians chapter 2 and verse 15.
Moses law pertained to God's priesthood, sacrifices for sin, worship rituals, meat and drink offerings, regulations concerning clothing, like not mixing two threads, and so forth. It was a carnal ordinance or law.
The ten commands of God preceded Sinai and was the spiritual law. I don't believe those guideposts no longer apply. Namely because they are grounded in love, which is what Jesus said his laws and the prophets hung upon. And also, the first command is to love God. To have no other God's before Father God. If those ten no longer apply then that first one would not either.
Wasn't that a old Monty Python sketch? Their version of Moses coming down from the mountain saying, "I have these 20 command.." and then he drops two tablets and says, " I have been given these ten commandments..."
God's ten commands stand forever and ever. Psalm 111:7-8 and also the Apostle Saint Paul's writing in the Book of Ephesians chapter 2 and verse 15.
"Where no law is, there is no transgression or sin." Book of Romans chapter 4 and verse 15.
How would God's law not exist any longer when today's people are still finding themselves called to God's grace so as to be saved from their sins?
In the Book of 2nd Chronicles chapter 35. The Book of Moses Law pertained to the ordinances that guided a people until the Messiah. Then it perished at the foot of the cross, as we're told in the Book of Ephesians chapter 2 and verse 15.
Moses law pertained to God's priesthood, sacrifices for sin, worship rituals, meat and drink offerings, regulations concerning clothing, like not mixing two threads, and so forth. It was a carnal ordinance or law.
The ten commands of God preceded Sinai and was the spiritual law. I don't believe those guideposts no longer apply. Namely because they are grounded in love, which is what Jesus said his laws and the prophets hung upon. And also, the first command is to love God. To have no other God's before Father God. If those ten no longer apply then that first one would not either.
Wasn't that a old Monty Python sketch? Their version of Moses coming down from the mountain saying, "I have these 20 command.." and then he drops two tablets and says, " I have been given these ten commandments..."
It says there not to go beyond what is written. You have said that the 10 commandments is not God's law so I dare to disagree.
Jesus told His disciples to teach people to obey everything He has commanded them and in the presence of His disciples He commanded the rich young man to obey the commandments referring to the 10 which according to Romans 13:8-14 is fulfilled through LOVE.
This is the message we have heard from the beginning. (1 John 1:5, 2:7, 3:11)
For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith. Hebrews 4:2
When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Matthew 19:16-26
It is clear that if God is with us, nothing is impossible.
The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, the Word, the law, the LOVE according to scriptures will be in our(Christians)
hearts. They all agree with each other...in unity. So if your heart tells you not to obey the law, someone else must be there.
Walk in Love and GOD bless.
Jesus told His disciples to teach people to obey everything He has commanded them and in the presence of His disciples He commanded the rich young man to obey the commandments referring to the 10 which according to Romans 13:8-14 is fulfilled through LOVE.
This is the message we have heard from the beginning. (1 John 1:5, 2:7, 3:11)
For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith. Hebrews 4:2
When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Matthew 19:16-26
It is clear that if God is with us, nothing is impossible.
The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, the Word, the law, the LOVE according to scriptures will be in our(Christians)
hearts. They all agree with each other...in unity. So if your heart tells you not to obey the law, someone else must be there.
Walk in Love and GOD bless.
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50 Commands of Christ - Summary List
1. Repent—Matthew 4:17, Luke 13:3
2. Let not your heart be troubled—John 14:27, John 16:33, Matthew 6:25-26, Philippians 4:6-7
3. Follow me—Matthew 4:19
4. Rejoice—Matthew 5:12, (Also 2 Corinthians 6:10, 12:10, James 1:2-4)
5. Let your light shine—Matthew 5:16
6. Honor God’s law—Matthew 5:17-19
7. Be reconciled—Matthew 5:24-25
8. Do not commit adultery—Matthew 5:27-30
9. Keep your word—Matthew 5:33-37
10. Go the second mile—Matthew 5:38-42
11. Love your enemies—Matthew 5:44
12. Be perfect—Matthew 5:48
13. Practice secret disciplines (giving, praying, fasting)—Matthew 6:1-18
14. Lay up treasures in heaven—Matthew 6:19-21
15. Seek first the kingdom of God—Matthew 6:33
16. Judge not—Matthew 7:1-2
17. Do not throw your pearls to pigs—Matthew 7:6
18. Ask, seek, and knock—Matthew 7:7-8
19. Do unto others—Matthew 7:12
20. Choose the narrow way—Matthew 7:13-14
21. Beware of false prophets—Matthew 7:15
22. Pray for those who spread the word—Matthew 9:37-38
23. Be as shrewd as serpents—Matthew 10:16. (Also Romans 16:19)
24. Fear God. Do not fear man— Matthew 10:28 (Also Luke 12:4-5)
25. Listen to God’s voice—Matthew 11:15, 13:9, 13:43, Mark 4:23, Luke 14:35, 1 Kings 19:11-13
26.Take my yoke—Matthew 11:29
27. Honor your parents—Matthew 15:4
28. Beware of false teaching—Matthew 16:6, 11-12
29. Deny yourself—Luke 9:23 (Also Matthew 10:38 and Mark 8:34)
30. Do not despise little ones—Matthew 18:10
31. Go to Christians who offend you—Matthew 8:15 (Also Galatians 6:1)
32. Forgive offenders—Matthew 18:21-22 (Also Proverbs 19:11)
33. Beware of covetousness—Luke 12:15
34. Honor marriage—Matthew 19:6, 19:9
35. Lead by being a servant—Matthew 20:26-28
36. Make the church a house of prayer for all nations—Mark 11:17
37. Pray in faith—Matthew 21:21-22, John 15:7
38. Bring in the poor—Luke 14:12-14
39. Render unto Caesar—Matthew 22:19-21
40. Love the Lord—Matthew 22:37-38
41. Love your neighbor—Matthew 22:39
42. Be born again—John 3:7
43. Await my return—Matthew 24:42-44
44. Celebrate the Lord’s supper—Matthew 26:26-
45. Watch and pray—Matthew 26:41
46. Keep my commandments—John 14:15
47. Feed my sheep—John 21:15-16
48. Make and baptize disciples—Matthew 28:19
49. Teach disciples to obey—Matthew 28:20
50. Receive God’s power—Luke 24:49
50 Commands of Christ - Summary List
1. Repent—Matthew 4:17, Luke 13:3
2. Let not your heart be troubled—John 14:27, John 16:33, Matthew 6:25-26, Philippians 4:6-7
3. Follow me—Matthew 4:19
4. Rejoice—Matthew 5:12, (Also 2 Corinthians 6:10, 12:10, James 1:2-4)
5. Let your light shine—Matthew 5:16
6. Honor God’s law—Matthew 5:17-19
7. Be reconciled—Matthew 5:24-25
8. Do not commit adultery—Matthew 5:27-30
9. Keep your word—Matthew 5:33-37
10. Go the second mile—Matthew 5:38-42
11. Love your enemies—Matthew 5:44
12. Be perfect—Matthew 5:48
13. Practice secret disciplines (giving, praying, fasting)—Matthew 6:1-18
14. Lay up treasures in heaven—Matthew 6:19-21
15. Seek first the kingdom of God—Matthew 6:33
16. Judge not—Matthew 7:1-2
17. Do not throw your pearls to pigs—Matthew 7:6
18. Ask, seek, and knock—Matthew 7:7-8
19. Do unto others—Matthew 7:12
20. Choose the narrow way—Matthew 7:13-14
21. Beware of false prophets—Matthew 7:15
22. Pray for those who spread the word—Matthew 9:37-38
23. Be as shrewd as serpents—Matthew 10:16. (Also Romans 16:19)
24. Fear God. Do not fear man— Matthew 10:28 (Also Luke 12:4-5)
25. Listen to God’s voice—Matthew 11:15, 13:9, 13:43, Mark 4:23, Luke 14:35, 1 Kings 19:11-13
26.Take my yoke—Matthew 11:29
27. Honor your parents—Matthew 15:4
28. Beware of false teaching—Matthew 16:6, 11-12
29. Deny yourself—Luke 9:23 (Also Matthew 10:38 and Mark 8:34)
30. Do not despise little ones—Matthew 18:10
31. Go to Christians who offend you—Matthew 8:15 (Also Galatians 6:1)
32. Forgive offenders—Matthew 18:21-22 (Also Proverbs 19:11)
33. Beware of covetousness—Luke 12:15
34. Honor marriage—Matthew 19:6, 19:9
35. Lead by being a servant—Matthew 20:26-28
36. Make the church a house of prayer for all nations—Mark 11:17
37. Pray in faith—Matthew 21:21-22, John 15:7
38. Bring in the poor—Luke 14:12-14
39. Render unto Caesar—Matthew 22:19-21
40. Love the Lord—Matthew 22:37-38
41. Love your neighbor—Matthew 22:39
42. Be born again—John 3:7
43. Await my return—Matthew 24:42-44
44. Celebrate the Lord’s supper—Matthew 26:26-
45. Watch and pray—Matthew 26:41
46. Keep my commandments—John 14:15
47. Feed my sheep—John 21:15-16
48. Make and baptize disciples—Matthew 28:19
49. Teach disciples to obey—Matthew 28:20
50. Receive God’s power—Luke 24:49
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The scribes and Pharisees were teachers of the law and according to Jesus, their father was the devil.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (Joh 8:44 KJV)
Do we really want to follow the devil's law that leads to damnation?
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (Joh 8:44 KJV)
Do we really want to follow the devil's law that leads to damnation?
The scribes and Pharisees were descendants of Edomites who remained in the land and grew in power after Israel was taken into Babylon captivity.
A very abridged version of history:
[Genesis 36] - While Esau is a son of Abraham through Isaac, He rejected his birthright while also marrying restricted women of other nations, spoiling his seed. Recall that Esau/Edom HATES Jacob/Israel because of the stolen birthright that they claim as rightfully theirs. Also remember that Yah says "Jacob I love, Esau I Hate."
[2 Samuel 8:13-14] - When David conquered the Edomites they became the servants of Israel.
[1 Kings 11:14] - When Solomon began sinning, Yah allowed the Edomites to rise in power and rival him.
[Obadiah 1] - Edom conspired with Israel's enemies and then did nothing when Israel was captured and taken away.
[Psalm:137:7] - Edom laid claim of Jerusalem when Israel was taken away. And as former servants of the kingdom, they retained all the knowledge of the temple service and the scriptures...so when Judah was allowed to return they relied on Edomite "Judeans".
[Intertestimental history] - These "Edomite" Judeans formed the Hasmonean Priestly dynasty after the Maccabean revolt. The Pharisees and scribes grew as sects out of this dynasty's sages. They maintained that there was given an "Oral Law" (i.e. laws that weren't written down with The Written Torah). So these Edomite priests taught the people a mix of The Written Torah and Oral Law (Takanot & Ma'asim).
This is why Christ says "beware of the leaven of the Pharisees. A little leaven leavens the whole lump." They mixed truth with error.
It is the "Oral Law" that was considered the "tradition of the men" that Christ said, "made the commandments of God of none effect".
It is the "Oral Law" that was codified into the Talmud, which became the basis for Judaism.
Fast-forward to the time of Christ, and the gospels detail that Herod's "royal" family were also Idumeans (Edomites), and history records that they are also Hasmoneans.
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None of the groups that were in power in Judea at the time of Christ were actually true Israelites.
"If Abraham was your father, you would do what he did...your father is the devil."
A very abridged version of history:
[Genesis 36] - While Esau is a son of Abraham through Isaac, He rejected his birthright while also marrying restricted women of other nations, spoiling his seed. Recall that Esau/Edom HATES Jacob/Israel because of the stolen birthright that they claim as rightfully theirs. Also remember that Yah says "Jacob I love, Esau I Hate."
[2 Samuel 8:13-14] - When David conquered the Edomites they became the servants of Israel.
[1 Kings 11:14] - When Solomon began sinning, Yah allowed the Edomites to rise in power and rival him.
[Obadiah 1] - Edom conspired with Israel's enemies and then did nothing when Israel was captured and taken away.
[Psalm:137:7] - Edom laid claim of Jerusalem when Israel was taken away. And as former servants of the kingdom, they retained all the knowledge of the temple service and the scriptures...so when Judah was allowed to return they relied on Edomite "Judeans".
[Intertestimental history] - These "Edomite" Judeans formed the Hasmonean Priestly dynasty after the Maccabean revolt. The Pharisees and scribes grew as sects out of this dynasty's sages. They maintained that there was given an "Oral Law" (i.e. laws that weren't written down with The Written Torah). So these Edomite priests taught the people a mix of The Written Torah and Oral Law (Takanot & Ma'asim).
This is why Christ says "beware of the leaven of the Pharisees. A little leaven leavens the whole lump." They mixed truth with error.
It is the "Oral Law" that was considered the "tradition of the men" that Christ said, "made the commandments of God of none effect".
It is the "Oral Law" that was codified into the Talmud, which became the basis for Judaism.
Fast-forward to the time of Christ, and the gospels detail that Herod's "royal" family were also Idumeans (Edomites), and history records that they are also Hasmoneans.
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None of the groups that were in power in Judea at the time of Christ were actually true Israelites.
"If Abraham was your father, you would do what he did...your father is the devil."
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Did I obey my parents perfetly? No, Do I obey the laws of my state perfectly? I am quite sre I do not (the state speed limit is one it does not take uch to break. If the speed limit is 55, going 56 is breaking the law) Do I obey my faither perfectly? No. And if I said I did, you should call me a liar and decieved. Because thats what Jhn said I would be. Thus according to Gods standard. I have failed to keep the law.
Now. Do I desire to live a righteous life? Yes.
But history and scriptur eproves, we do nto do it by following ten commands.. So why would you wish to try to find righteousness that way?
Now. Do I desire to live a righteous life? Yes.
But history and scriptur eproves, we do nto do it by following ten commands.. So why would you wish to try to find righteousness that way?
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