It's actually the true which you are claiming is not the truth and that because you don't understand it.
The Tribulation and the Church, WHEN?
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It's actually the true which you are claiming is not the truth and that because you don't understand it.
"temple" yes.
But Scripture does not use the definite article ("the") when referring to the Church which is His body, in the here and now existing on the earth in this present age, as [said] "temple".
Additionally, once we experience our Rapture/Departure (and are no longer present on the earth, for that future, specific, limited time period [7-yrs]), there is nothing preventing the [idea of] "the temple of God" being in a distinct form ("in the place that God shall choose"... If He says this is so); for example, 2Th2:4 and Rev11:2 (which 11:2 is showing a very clear distinction between "the temple of God" and "them that worship THEREIN")
What do you think the majority of the book of Revelation is about? It is a detailed description of God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, along with the plagues of the two witnesses, which will affect every person on the earth.
Here is the correct translation:
"Do you not know that you yourselves are God's temple, and the Spirit of God dwells in you?"
TheDivineWaterMark is simply saying that the definite article "the" is not found in the original scripture, but our bodies are God's temple.
Revelation 21:22-23 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/21.htm (in the sun moon under her feet).
The identity of the woman is the mystery right? Her clothing, her crown and the thing under her feet are the keys to revealing who she is.
Ok so you say the symbolism goes like this - since the woman is associated with the sun, moon and stars, then she must be Israel.
That's your view^ and below is my view.
The woman is clothed with the sun - the sun could be either Jacob or Christ because both are symbolized in the bible as the sun. I have never read of anyone in the Bible being clothed with Jacob. I have read that we are clothed in the righteousness of Christ hence I’m going with the sun representing Christ.
The moon is under her feet. The only thing in the Bible that the moon symbolizes is Israel. I do know that the kingdom was taken from Israel and given to a nation that will bring in the fruits. Could it be symbolizing something else? It could be but if it is, I don’t know what it is.
She’s wearing a crown with 12 stars. The only crowns that I know of in the Bible are crowns given to us through Christ.
The first one seals the deal for me - clothed with the sun. The woman in Rev 12 is heavenly Jerusalem.
I think my question was misunderstood. I was referring to individual events where all three components are present along with the other criteria.
WoG => Wrath of God
WoG != Tribulation (especially the 'general' kind as you refer to here)
Go take a good long look at the 'Olivet Discourse' and 'Order of Events' pages on my website.
If someone’s consciousness was uploaded to a computer, as they say they will be able to do soon, would that persons sinful nature still exist?
That is one of the major causes of error -- too many people trying to make verses 'fit' instead of simply giving attention to what verses are actually saying.
That is one of the major causes of error -- too many people trying to imagine what the meaning might be instead of simply giving attention to what verses are actually saying.
No!
To say "seven last plagues" in no way defines 'plague' as automatically being a part of the Wrath of God.
Revelation 15:
1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
The end of this verse does not mean 'completed' in the sense of ending what was already started. The words "in them" specifically indicates that they are a collective [unit] group "containing" the Wrath of God.
It helps to have the right bible version.
The largest-by-far single thing causing the greatest amount of disconnect and confusion in this thread is a matter of terminology and definition.
It says ;[pre-tribber here]
No. Not all trib saints will die.
I've listed (before), about 12 distinct references of "still-living/-alive" persons/saints at the time of His Second Coming to the earth (who will ENTER the earthly MK age in mortal bodies capable of bearing children/reproducing [this is BESIDES the "resurrected" saints (those saints who DIE in the trib); and besides the previously translated/changed/glorified/perfected "Church which is His body" having been "raptured" well before this point in the chronology])...
for one example, what do you do with Daniel 12:12, "BLESSED is he that waiteth, and cometh to the 1335 days." THIS is a "still-living" person/saint at the time of Christ's Second Coming to the earth; now entering the promised and prophesied earthly MK. (So is Matt25:31-34 and Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 passages [Jesus addressing their later Q if Him in Matt24:3 is based on His ALREADY-having spoken to them about this in Matt13], among many, many others--as I said, I've listed 12 references to same, in the past)
Rev 13
and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
So - if you really want to have a fruitful discussion -- you must first be in agreement concerning the terminology and definition of the words and phrases that are being used in the discussion.