If Perchance Catholicism Is Mistaken

[Jackson123]

I read about tradition in this link

http://lonelypilgrim.com/2013/09/07...not-answers-to-some-common-misunderstandings/

The bottom line is a lot of what so call sacred tradition against bible teaching

Easy example is pray to mary.

Catholic believe not all Jesus, or apostle teaching are written in the Bible.

It may true, but the unwritten teaching must inline with written teaching

 

[Dan_473]

Yes, God speak to Paul after Pentecost.

Acts 16:9-15 The Message (MSG)

9-10 That night Paul had a dream: A Macedonian stood on the far shore and called across the sea, “Come over to Macedonia and help us!” The dream gave Paul his map. We went to work at once getting things ready to cross over to Macedonia. All the pieces had come together. We knew now for sure that God had called us to preach the good news to the Europeans.

11-12 Putting out from the harbor at Troas, we made a straight run for Samothrace. The next day we tied up at New City and walked from there to Philippi, the main city in that part of Macedonia and, even more importantly, a Roman colony. We lingered there several days.

Again, it is not a new teaching and it is inline with the bible

Right, it's not a new Bible teaching. We see that Jesus continued talking even after the disciples had been filled with the holy Spirit at Pentecost.

When did Jesus finish speaking?
Most Protestants would say, I think, that it was at the end of the Bible that Jesus stopped speaking.

Catholics and Eastern Orthodox would say Jesus continues to speak through his church.

 

[Dan_473]

No I haven't, but the statement of

Islam worship abraham god is simple statement. It is not art work.

It may sound simple, but sometimes theological works like that use words in a particular way. I don't know if that's what's happening here or not.

 

[Dan_473]

I do not know if all Muslim heard about Jesus, but to say Muslim adore abraham's God is lie

I think it makes a difference what the Muslim that were talking about knows about Jesus. Muslims around the world are in very different situations.

There might be a woman in a strict country like Saudi Arabia that isn't allowed to leave her house without her husband or male relative. But the only place they ever take her is to the mosque.

Compare that with maybe a Muslim in Indonesia in a large city walking around with a cell phone and full internet access.

Very different situations!

 

[Dan_473]

I read about tradition in this link

http://lonelypilgrim.com/2013/09/07...not-answers-to-some-common-misunderstandings/

The bottom line is a lot of what so call sacred tradition against bible teaching

Easy example is pray to mary.

Catholic believe not all Jesus, or apostle teaching are written in the Bible.

It may true, but the unwritten teaching must inline with written teaching

Well again, I think this would get back to who was going to decide what the Bible teaching is on a subject?

Should everyone read the Bible for themselves, by themselves, and with the help of the holy Spirit arrive at the correct Bible teaching?

Or is the correct Bible teaching given to the body of Christ as a whole?

 

[Jackson123]

Right, it's not a new Bible teaching. We see that Jesus continued talking even after the disciples had been filled with the holy Spirit at Pentecost.

When did Jesus finish speaking?
Most Protestants would say, I think, that it was at the end of the Bible that Jesus stopped speaking.

Catholics and Eastern Orthodox would say Jesus continues to speak through his church.

I believe Jesus continue talking, but we have to test every spirit.

I can say, Jesus talk to me last night, but I may lie.

Test if what the man claim as revelation, inline with the over all bible teaching

 

[Jackson123]

I think it makes a difference what the Muslim that were talking about knows about Jesus. Muslims around the world are in very different situations.

There might be a woman in a strict country like Saudi Arabia that isn't allowed to leave her house without her husband or male relative. But the only place they ever take her is to the mosque.

Compare that with maybe a Muslim in Indonesia in a large city walking around with a cell phone and full internet access.

Very different situations!

But do not say something that is not.

Muslim every where not adore abraham god.

Hindu in the remote and isolate place may never heard Jesus, is that mean he adore abraham's God?

 

[Jackson123]

Well again, I think this would get back to who was going to decide what the Bible teaching is on a subject?

Should everyone read the Bible for themselves, by themselves, and with the help of the holy Spirit arrive at the correct Bible teaching?

Or is the correct Bible teaching given to the body of Christ as a whole?

For sure pray to Mary is not correct bible teaching

Saling certificate of forgiveness is not bible teaching

Purgatory is not in the Bible teaching

 

[Jackson123]

Well again, I think this would get back to who was going to decide what the Bible teaching is on a subject?

Should everyone read the Bible for themselves, by themselves, and with the help of the holy Spirit arrive at the correct Bible teaching?

Or is the correct Bible teaching given to the body of Christ as a whole?

And how do you know it is oral teaching?

No documentation than I can lie to say

Hi it is oral teaching from apostle Peter, that we have to pray to Mary.

Why not base on documented teaching (bible)

 

[Dan_473]

I believe Jesus continue talking, but we have to test every spirit.

I can say, Jesus talk to me last night, but I may lie.

Test if what the man claim as revelation, inline with the over all bible teaching

Yes, in line with overall Bible teaching!

You know, you might enjoy and benefit from looking into the history of Christianity to see how different people at different times have understood overall Bible teaching.

Here's a classic book about some very early Christians
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.i.html

 

[Dan_473]

But do not say something that is not.

Muslim every where not adore abraham god.

Hindu in the remote and isolate place may never heard Jesus, is that mean he adore abraham's God?

I think, if you're talking about the lumen gentium, that it's speaking in generalities, and also in the context of the Muslim world in 1964.

 

[Dan_473]

For sure pray to Mary is not correct bible teaching

Saling certificate of forgiveness is not bible teaching

Purgatory is not in the Bible teaching

Did you decide those things by reading the Bible for yourself, by yourself? Or did the body of Christ decide them as a whole?

The Bible that you use, did you pick it out yourself? Did you go through all the possible books that could be in the Bible to see if they should be?

 

[Dan_473]

And how do you know it is oral teaching?

No documentation than I can lie to say

Hi it is oral teaching from apostle Peter, that we have to pray to Mary.

Why not base on documented teaching (bible)

I'm not really too familiar with the idea of oral teaching.

But it does sound like that in some cases not everything was written down.

1 John 2: 24. Therefore, as for you, let that remain in you which you heard from the beginning. If that which you heard from the beginning remains in you, you also will remain in the Son, and in the Father.

I see here in this section that it is heard, not read.

 

[garee]

Well again, I think this would get back to who was going to decide what the Bible teaching is on a subject?

Should everyone read the Bible for themselves, by themselves, and with the help of the holy Spirit arrive at the correct Bible teaching?

Or is the correct Bible teaching given to the body of Christ as a whole?

Every has the same commandment not of men. Study to show oneself approved unto God.

Faith is the key . . . previously having none not little. It alone comes from hearing God as it is written And not from hearing the private interpretations as personal commentaries of men . End of story.

We are warned of those who say we need a man to teach us .It identifies the antichrists. (1 John2:27-28)

Different denominations have different traditions as heresies or private interpretations of what they believe the Holy Spirit is teaching..

In that way there must be differences .The kingdom of God does not come by observation. No such thing as non denominational

1 Corinthians 11:19For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

Catholicism combating their "nemesis" which remains the same today which is "all things written in the law and the prophets" (sola scriptura.)

They taught that other denominations had private interpretations and their interpretation alone was not private again in order to make the word of god without effect.

Catholicism a law of the fathers condemned other men and woman to death. They were given special letter of approval from the Pope. All because other denominations would not get under the authority of their heresy (private interpretation.)

Not all oral traditions are damnable and make the word of God without effect,

The teaching that do despite to the grace of God are damnable. Its there where Catholisicim shows it face as a cult .

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction

 

[garee]

I'm not really too familiar with the idea of oral teaching.

But it does sound like that in some cases not everything was written down.

1 John 2: 24. Therefore, as for you, let that remain in you which you heard from the beginning. If that which you heard from the beginning remains in you, you also will remain in the Son, and in the Father.

I see here in this section that it is heard, not read.

Yes, the faith of Christ (not of our own selves) that comes from hearing God comes in two ingates to our new souls (two witnesses ears and eyes ) never through the imaginations of our own heart. (no faith)

Isaiah 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

Not everything was written down. . . but that which is written remains the final revealed will of God. The Catholic nemesis (sola scriptura as it is written )

Take the example in John 21 that Catholics use to promote the work of its mystics (not calling them prophets.) But more of a mystical magical kind of name. What they hope it can perform authorize the work of their mystics is shown as just the opposite. it condem the idea that god is not longer brining any new revelations.

The lie that Peter passed around as a oral tradition as a law of the fathers was revealed for what it was.

Jesus said if every time he worked to dispel the oral traditions of things of men then the whole world would not be able to hold the books that would reveal the lies as a law of the fathers (things of men) and many such things do they perform

Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple "should not die": yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.John 21:23-25

 

[Dan_473]

Every has the same commandment not of men. Study to show oneself approved unto God.

Faith is the key . . . previously having none not little. It alone comes from hearing God as it is written And not from hearing the private interpretations as personal commentaries of men . End of story.

We are warned of those who say we need a man to teach us .It identifies the antichrists. (1 John2:27-28)

Different denominations have different traditions as heresies or private interpretations of what they believe the Holy Spirit is teaching..

In that way there must be differences .The kingdom of God does not come by observation. No such thing as non denominational

1 Corinthians 11:19For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

Catholicism combating their "nemesis" which remains the same today which is "all things written in the law and the prophets" (sola scriptura.)

They taught that other denominations had private interpretations and their interpretation alone was not private again in order to make the word of god without effect.

Catholicism a law of the fathers condemned other men and woman to death. They were given special letter of approval from the Pope. All because other denominations would not get under the authority of their heresy (private interpretation.)

Not all oral traditions are damnable and make the word of God without effect,

The teaching that do despite to the grace of God are damnable. Its there where Catholisicim shows it face as a cult .

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction

This came to mind after reading your post
Revelation 14: 6. I saw an angel flying in mid heaven, having an eternal Good News to proclaim to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation, tribe, language, and people.

 

[Dan_473]

Yes, the faith of Christ (not of our own selves) that comes from hearing God comes in two ingates to our new souls (two witnesses ears and eyes ) never through the imaginations of our own heart. (no faith)

Isaiah 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

Not everything was written down. . . but that which is written remains the final revealed will of God. The Catholic nemesis (sola scriptura as it is written )

Take the example in John 21 that Catholics use to promote the work of its mystics (not calling them prophets.) But more of a mystical magical kind of name. What they hope it can perform authorize the work of their mystics is shown as just the opposite. it condem the idea that god is not longer brining any new revelations.

The lie that Peter passed around as a oral tradition as a law of the fathers was revealed for what it was.

Jesus said if every time he worked to dispel the oral traditions of things of men then the whole world would not be able to hold the books that would reveal the lies as a law of the fathers (things of men) and many such things do they perform

Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple "should not die": yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.John 21:23-25

Maybe that goes along with this

"Listen to my words, my son Seth. When God had created me out of the earth, along with Eve, your mother, I went about with her in a glory which she had seen in the aeon from which we had come forth. She taught me a word of knowledge of the eternal God. "

http://earlychristianwritings.com/text/adam.html

 

[Jackson123]

I think, if you're talking about the lumen gentium, that it's speaking in generalities, and also in the context of the Muslim world in 1964.

Muslim in 1964 was not adore Abraham God.

You confuse between muslim and people that never heard Jesus.

Bible talk about people that never heard about Jesus face different judgement compare to people that reject Jesus.

Lumen gentium Lie and say muslim adore Abraham God.

It is 2 totally difermentasi subject.

Are some muslim never heard about Jesus, Yes. But not all.

Are some Hindu never heard about Jesus, Yes, but not all.

Are muslim worship abraham's God ? NO

To say islam worship Abraham God ~ say Hindu worship Abraham God = lie

 

[Jackson123]

I'm not really too familiar with the idea of oral teaching.

But it does sound like that in some cases not everything was written down.

1 John 2: 24. Therefore, as for you, let that remain in you which you heard from the beginning. If that which you heard from the beginning remains in you, you also will remain in the Son, and in the Father.

I see here in this section that it is heard, not read.

I do not know if this verse say not every thing Jesus teaching are not documented.

I believe not everything Jesus did was documented, for example, what time Jesus eat, drink, etc, but what is the principal of Jesus teaching was.

And the basic teaching of Jesus is well documented, it is more than enough to know how to save.

After that, yes Jesus talk to Paul on the way to persecute Christian, etc, in Muslim country, some time Jesus talk to Muslim to accept Him. But the basic teaching of salvation was done.

 

[Dan_473]

Muslim in 1964 was not adore Abraham God.

You confuse between muslim and people that never heard Jesus.

Bible talk about people that never heard about Jesus face different judgement compare to people that reject Jesus.

Lumen gentium Lie and say muslim adore Abraham God.

It is 2 totally difermentasi subject.

Are some muslim never heard about Jesus, Yes. But not all.

Are some Hindu never heard about Jesus, Yes, but not all.

Are muslim worship abraham's God ? NO

To say islam worship Abraham God ~ say Hindu worship Abraham God = lie

Generally speaking, what had Muslims heard about Jesus in 1964?