Why do so many Christians end up in Hell?

Ahwatukee · Aug 26, 2019

It is a gift which is dependent upon faith, from first to last and not just period. In order to receive the gift we must believe. Though Jesus died for the sins of the world, it requires faith in order for salvation to be applied.

ETERNAL LIFE IS CHRIST HIMSELF

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Good day Nehemiah,

Everything that you have listed above, all of the promises, is dependent upon on-going faith. People are not just saved because Jesus died for them. They have to respond. And that response is not just a one time confession of faith, but is on-going.

I have used the following many times:

"My brothers, if anyone among you might wander from the truth, and someone should bring him back, let him know that the one having brought back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death, and will cover over a multitude of sins.

"My brothers" would be referring to a believer.

In order to Wander from the truth, one would have had to already be in the truth, which gets rid of that old argument of "then really never were Christians.

It is then stated that if that if someone brings that brother back from his wandered state, i.e. apostasy, then he will be saved from death and a multitude of sins would be covered over, which would demonstrate that in that wandered state, that person is on their way to death and is accumulating sin.

Please explain to me what your thoughts are on this one particular issue. Because as believers in Christ, we cannot turn back and willfully live according to the sinful nature and still be saved, not until we repent and return to faith. I have also used the following in support of this issue:

"But if that evil servant should say in his heart, ‘My master delays,’ 49and should begin to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and to drink with those being drunkards, (return to the sinful nature) 50the master of that servant will come in a day in which he does not expect, and in an hour which he is unaware, 51and will cut him in pieces, and will appoint his place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

He is called "servant" and his master is the Lord. If he turns back to willfully living according to the sinful nature and is in that state when the Lord returns, then the Lord will cut him in pieces and will appoint his place with the hypocrites, etc. Does that sound like OSAS Nehemiah? In continuing, Paul said the following:

"You will say, then, “Branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.” 20Rightly so: They were broken off by the unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be high minded, but be afraid. 21For if God did not at all spare the natural branches, neither will He spare you."

Paul is speaking to believers in the scripture above. Notice the last paragraph. Israel was broken off because of lack of faith. Paul says the same would happen to believing Gentiles if they don't stand in faith as well.

My stand has always been the same as scripture, which as you know states that we are saved by grace through faith (on-going) and this not of ourselves, it is the gift of God (we didn't and can't do anything to earn it, but the gift requires faith).

I believe that there are going to be many professing Christians who have gone back into the world, living according to the sinful nature and will be in that state when the Lord comes to gather us, which will result in them being left on the earth because they will have had no oil for their lamps which will have gone out.

Angela53510 · Aug 26, 2019

GyO said:

This is a BIBLE discussion forum. We try to discuss the Bible, not opinions.

In your 6th post here, you have yet to quote a single Bible verse, with address. Thus, you have not supported a single word you have said. Your are espousing a folk theology, which is not based in the Bible.

It is incumbent upon you to support your thesis. Instead, you throw out a bunch of poorly supported opinions.

If there is any verity to your posts, support each thesis with Bible quotes, preferably in context. Then we can show you how and why you are wrong.

PS it might help if you developed the habit of reading the Bible daily. Have you even read the whole Bible through? Do you read theology? Do you know the original languages and have tools to properly exegete the Bible? I assume you have not, because if the absurdity of your statements!

Nehemiah6 · Aug 26, 2019

Ahwatukee said:

According to Scripture, those who repent and believe are justified right then and there. See Romans 4. But justification must be followed by ongoing sanctification (which also involves faith), and ultimately results in glorification (which is the supernatural work of God and Christ -- Romans 8:29,30)

Correct. And (saving) faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God (the Gospel) (Rom 10:17). Romans 10 is a very important chapter which teaches us how people are justified by grace through faith

You seem to be forgetting five things: (1) we are kept by the power of God, (2) it is God who works in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure, (3) faith is also a fruit of the Spirit, (4) faith is also a gift of the Spirit, and (5) as far as Christ is concerned faith as little as a grain of mustard seed can move mountains. Which means you have made an issue out of a non-issue. A true Christian's faith will be ongoing because God dwells within.

This passage in James should be read as in the KJV: Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (Jas 5:19,20) [Note: "a soul" rather than "his soul", a soul meaning an individual or person]

So what is being taught in this passage?
1. The context would be that of the local church, where each person knows the others, and therefore becomes aware that a brother or sister is sinning.
2. James tells us that if we know of such a situation (erring from the truth meaning either false teaching or sinful behavior) we are to make an effort to reach out to this person to encourage them to repent (hence the word "convert").
3. If we are able to accomplish that there are two positive results (1) we have prevented the possible premature PHYSICAL DEATH of that brother (or sister) and (2) we have prevented a multitude of sins from becoming the reason for God's chastisement on this person.

This passage cannot be divorced from that of the sin unto death (1 John 5:16,17) or that of partaking unworthily of the Lord's Supper and facing premature death (1 Cor 11:26-34). In both cases, the salvation of the believer is not at stake, but his or her continued existence on earth is. A good example is that of Ananias and Sapphira, who died immediately.

The very fact that the New Birth produces new creatures in Christ (who already repented or turned away from their sins and idols) means that genuine Christians will not choose to go on sinning wilfully. They will hate sin. But God has remedies for those who happen to do so (for whatever reason). The important points to note are that (1) eternal life is God's gift to the one who believes, and what God has given He does not take back and (2) God deals with sinning saints who fail to examine themselves, repent and confess their sins. The end result is physical death.

As to the evil servant, he was not really saved since he is called a "wicked" servant. Outwardly he may have claimed to be a Christian, but there are many who do so without having been regenerated. This was definitely not a child of God being cast into Hell.

garee · Aug 26, 2019

Whispered said:

Its one of those doctrines that must be revisited. It exposes the idea of men as a lie that men suffer after they are dead. (false gospel)

Hell is a living suffering that a corrupted creation experiences in dying you will be dead. . The wrath of God revealed from heaven .

How it became a work men can perform after their temporal spirit returns to the father who gave it temporally as a violation to the letter of the law and body returns to the lifeless spiritless dust .

I think it was a idea that God would scare the heel out believer as a source of faith rather than give them the faith (his) to make it possible to please Him . Can't go to hell if a paerson is already thier sufering the wage of sin. God forgives sin.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Christian can get relif is they cry out to one that can hear them . No salvation Sabbath rest for the wicked the restless wanderers

2 Samuel 22:6 The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;

Hell by reason of my affliction and the father heard my voice by reason of his mercy and salvation.

Two walking together in living agreement .The dead know nothing, see nothing, hear nothing, feel nothing.

Jonah 2 King James Version (KJV) Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

"Belly of hell" place of living suffering same as three days and nights in hard "heart of the earth" .

When Jesus suffered the pangs of hell. He said Father take away this cup. . . if not strengthen me to finish it .Just as he did with Jonas . the last sign and wonder . Which is different than a sign. . . like a sign of times that stands alone and not as a wonderment source of unseen.(faith)

Whispered · Aug 26, 2019

garee said:

Its one of those doctrines that must be revisited. It exposes the idea of men as a lie that men suffer after they are dead. (false gospel)

Hell is a living suffering that a corrupted creation experiences in dying you will be dead. . The wrath of God revealed from heaven .

How it became a work men can perform after their temporal spirit returns to the father who gave it temporally as a violation to the letter of the law and body returns to the lifeless spiritless dust .

I think it was a idea that God would scare the heel out believer as a source of faith rather than give them the faith (his) to make it possible to please Him . Can't go to hell if a paerson is already thier sufering the wage of sin. God forgives sin.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Christian can get relif is they cry out to one that can hear them . No salvation Sabbath rest for the wicked the restless wanderers

2 Samuel 22:6 The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;

Hell by reason of my affliction and the father heard my voice by reason of his mercy and salvation.

Two walking together in living agreement .The dead know nothing, see nothing, hear nothing, feel nothing.

Jonah 2 King James Version (KJV) Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

"Belly of hell" place of living suffering same as three days and nights in hard "heart of the earth" .

When Jesus suffered the pangs of hell. He said Father take away this cup. . . if not strengthen me to finish it .Just as he did with Jonas . the last sign and wonder . Which is different than a sign. . . like a sign of times that stands alone and not as a wonderment source of unseen.(faith)

I appreciate your point. An eternal suffering for finite mistakes does seem extreme. And also, how do we consolidate the Hell scriptures with the Tanakh scripture in the Book of Ecclesiastes and Chapter 12, 6 Remember Him before the silver cord is snapped, and the golden bowl is crushed, before the pitcher is shattered at the spring, and the wheel is broken at the well, 7 before the dust returns to the ground from which it came, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. 8“Futility of futilities,” says the Teacher. “Everything is futile!”

Ahwatukee · Aug 26, 2019

Nehemiah6 said:

According to Scripture, those who repent and believe are justified right then and there. See Romans 4. But justification must be followed by ongoing sanctification (which also involves faith), and ultimately results in glorification (which is the supernatural work of God and Christ -- Romans 8:29,30)

This passage in James should be read as in the KJV: Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (Jas 5:19,20) [Note: "a soul" rather than "his soul", a soul meaning an individual or person]

So what is being taught in this passage?
1. The context would be that of the local church, where each person knows the others, and therefore becomes aware that a brother or sister is sinning.
2. James tells us that if we know of such a situation (erring from the truth meaning either false teaching or sinful behavior) we are to make an effort to reach out to this person to encourage them to repent (hence the word "convert").
3. If we are able to accomplish that there are two positive results (1) we have prevented the possible premature PHYSICAL DEATH of that brother (or sister) and (2) we have prevented a multitude of sins from becoming the reason for God's chastisement on this person.

This passage cannot be divorced from that of the sin unto death (1 John 5:16,17) or that of partaking unworthily of the Lord's Supper and facing premature death (1 Cor 11:26-34). In both cases, the salvation of the believer is not at stake, but his or her continued existence on earth is. A good example is that of Ananias and Sapphira, who died immediately.

This is wrong Nehemiah,

The fact that James refers to them as brothers would demonstrate that they are believers. If any of those believers wander from the truth, while they are in that state, they are accumulating sin which leads to death, not only physical death, but eternal. Physical only is being implied. Faith is what plugs us into God's grace. When you unplug you have lost your connection and must repent and return. The scripture is very clear on this and it's not a matter of translation.

I never be convinced that a one time act of faith saves a person, but that the faith that is spoken of is from first to last.

How did you explain the unfaithful servant scripture, or the "I am the Vine and you are the branches?"

How do you explain Colossians 1:22-23?

I could go on and on with this. There are just too many scriptures that demonstrate that all promises are dependent upon continuing in faith. If a believer turns back to the world and is willfully living according to the sinful nature, then while they are in that state they are accumulating sin and are on their way to the ultimate death, not just physical.

Here's one more example:

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herefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold h was brought to him. 25Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.

26“At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

28“But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. i He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.

29“His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’

30“But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.

32“Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35“This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”
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King = God

Servant(s) = believer(s)

Money debt = our sins against God.

Notice in v.26 that the servant's debt/sin is cancelled. But then because that servant did not forgive his fellow servant, he was brought back before the King and the servants cancelled debt that was reinstated and ended up paying the full debt.

Jesus says, this is how our heavenly Father will treat us if we don't forgive our brothers who sin against us. The point is not about the situation but the fact that salvation can be rescinded.

I respect you as a brother, but in the case OSAS I am not and have never been in agreement. I believe that OSAS is true if one continues in faith from beginning to end.

no1 · Aug 26, 2019

Nehemiah6 said:

First off, I didn't use just one verse to prove my point, I used many, as did another guy, and second, the ones I used were straight forward, simple, and easy to understand.

Nehemiah6 said:

By looking at all the other verses in the bible concerning the same subject, because you just might have misinterpreted the other EASY verses, you are changing the meaning, and therefore the context of each verse which can stand alone.
To you, once a person is saved, they can't be unsaved, because that is what you were taught by man, as was I. And because of this flaw in your theology, you have to MAKE the so-called, more difficult to understand verses, to line up with that teaching.
The only reason why they are obscure for you and others who think alone the same lines, is because you are rejecting plain language or the truth.
If you just accept what is written, and keep everything as is, it wouldn't be so confusing for you and others.
If you form your doctrine based on what written, even in a single verse, instead of trying to make the scriptures fit your church doctrines, you wouldn't miss the truth like I believe you are now.
I'm going to give you an example of what you are doing to scripture.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

But what if I add,

1Jn 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

Then tell you, based on the one I injected, that you don't know if it is God's will to save so and so because you don't know if they are called and neither do you or the other person know what the will of God is for that individual.
By interjecting other verses into a single verse, you end up changing, not only the meaning, but God's truth.
The reason why you can't take a single verse I used to prove one can lose there salvation, like you do all the time with Jn 3:16, is because, just like Jn 3:16, it would mean exactly what it says, and you can't seem to accept that.

garee · Aug 27, 2019

Whispered said:

Thanks for the reply. I would offer..

It would make our merciful God merciless. Rather than a suffering that we cannot bear by own selves as God had intended when he increased the work load. (it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength) Cain a marked man 666 received no rest from Christ by reason of his suffering.

Jonas and the Son of man, Jesus did receive rest from the belly of hell or heart of the earth having the faith to cry out to the father when the father strengthened them to finish the living suffering. .

When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the Lord, "My punishment is greater than I can bear". Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain,(666) lest any finding him should kill. Genesis 4:12-15

A punishment no man could suffer by his own self. mark my word I will carry it out .No getting off easy with the electric chairs .Hard labor till he dies..

That parable in Ecclesiastes and Chapter 12 would seem to be saying when the well runs dry the temporal corrupted spirit returns to the father, The dust returning where it came from never to rise to new spirit life ever again .

garee · Aug 27, 2019

no1 said:

First off, I didn't use just one verse to prove my point, I used many, as did another guy, and second, the ones I used were straight forward, simple, and easy to understand.

By looking at all the other verses in the bible concerning the same subject, because you just might have misinterpreted the other EASY verses, you are changing the meaning, and therefore the context of each verse which can stand alone.
To you, once a person is saved, they can't be unsaved, because that is what you were taught by man, as was I. And because of this flaw in your theology, you have to MAKE the so-called, more difficult to understand verses, to line up with that teaching.
The only reason why they are obscure for you and others who think alone the same lines, is because you are rejecting plain language or the truth.
If you just accept what is written, and keep everything as is, it wouldn't be so confusing for you and others.
If you form your doctrine based on what written, even in a single verse, instead of trying to make the scriptures fit your church doctrines, you wouldn't miss the truth like I believe you are now.
I'm going to give you an example of what you are doing to scripture.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

But what if I add,

1Jn 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

Then tell you, based on the one I injected, that you don't know if it is God's will to save so and so because you don't know if they are called and neither do you or the other person know what the will of God is for that individual.
By interjecting other verses into a single verse, you end up changing, not only the meaning, but God's truth.
The reason why you can't take a single verse I used to prove one can lose there salvation, like you do all the time with Jn 3:16, is because, just like Jn 3:16, it would mean exactly what it says, and you can't seem to accept that.

If we take the first workings of verse (John3:16) by believing God "not perish but have everlasting life" .Having it gives the confidence (1Jn 5:14 ) to pray to Him in a living hope of receiving. .

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Who else could we build our confidence on? Peter, Paul and Mary

Whispered · Aug 27, 2019

garee said:

A few points to add if I may.
I would suggest that there are no verses that speak of Jesus entering Hell after crucifixion because he commended his spirit to return to its source, himself, the Father, from the cross.
And yet, remember in the Book of Psalms and chapter 139 and verses 7-8? An eternal Father who's presence exists in all that the Father created cannot not be within anyplace created. Even in Sheol.
It doesn't make sense then in that Psalm passage that God would dwell in what Sheol has been described to be as that transformed into a bottomless fire and brimstone place.
But rather, the grave, or perhaps when we in contemporary terms think of grave we think of that six foot or more hole dug into the earth to receive a casket. What if the abyss, or the grave, as Sheol is described in other passages using contemporaneous descriptions that the early people could relate to?
Making Sheol in truth the "womb" sort of speak, of the creator. Where all things created are fashioned by the spirit of the holy's will and design?

From the dust we came and unto the dust we return. That's true actually. If we perish in the out of doors we decompose. Candida Albicans that exist in our body naturally will turn us into dust once we're dead. Those and other factors of course. We then do return from whence we sprang in the beginning of God's creation of our kind.
While in Genesis if we recall, God breathed into the nostrils of Adam and it was then, through God's breath, which interestingly is the word for the Words of God in scripture, God's breath, became a living soul. Which is why, at least in my opinion, God's word is a living word too.
So the soul that comes from God would return to its maker upon the death of that vessel God breathed it into. As the Apostle Saint Paul tells us in the Book of Romans chapter 11 and verse 36.

Ahwatukee · Aug 27, 2019

Whispered said:

Hello Whispered,

Actually there is scripture that infers that Jesus' spirit went to Hades after the death of His body.

"Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!”

And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

First, how could Jesus make the promise to the thief that he would be with Him in paradise when both men died that same day? And second, what was Jesus referring to by paradise?

The first is referring to the fact that, when both the bodies of Jesus and the thief died, their spirits departed. As we learned from the event of the rich man and Lazarus, both men died and their bodies buried, but their spirits where found in Sheol/Hades, conscious and aware. This place is described as having two areas which were divided by a great chasm. The spirits of Abraham and Lazarus were in the side of comfort, while the spirit of the rich man was in the side of torment in flame. When the bodies of Jesus and the thief died, their spirits departed and went down to that same place of comfort/paradise where Abraham and Lazarus were. When Jesus said that "the Son of man will be in the heart of the earth for three nights and three days, He wasn't just speaking bout His body being in the tomb, but His spirit also being Hades.

Many attempt to claim that paradise was referring to Jesus going to heaven. However, that would be in contention with the fact that when Jesus resurrected He told Mary not to hold on to Him because He had not yet ascended to the Father, which would infer that He had not yet gone to heaven.

Whispered · Aug 27, 2019

Ahwatukee said:

I know there are some churches about that teach Jesus descended into Hell, or Hades, after he died on the cross. I do not follow that line of thought. Paradise would not be Hades, Hell, Sheol, or any of those dark netherworld places someone might think of when thinking of the opposite of paradise.
Jesus told the thief that on that day the thief would be with Christ in paradise. After that promise Jesus gave up his spirit. Prior to doing this he commended his spirit to the Father. The Father does not live anywhere but in paradise. Jesus and the thief on that day were in paradise. Just as Jesus had the power and authority to forgive sins while in his time on earth, he had also the power to keep his promise that day to the believing thief who was dying beside him.

Revelation 2:7

'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of the tree of life which is in the Paradise of God.'

Ahwatukee · Aug 27, 2019

Whispered said:

First of all, I did not learn this from any man or pastor or church, but from my own personal studies of 45 years. So I don't follow anyone's line of thought, but instead put together all related scriptures.

As I said, Hades is where the spirits of Jesus and the thief went to after their bodies died. I also provided for you the scripture that demonstrates that Jesus said that He had not yet ascended to the Father, which would mean that He hadn't gone heaven yet. Therefore, you're left with the problem of where that place of paradise was. Since both Abraham, Lazarus and in fact all of the OT saints, were in that area of comfort within Hades, then this place of comfort was that place of paradise which Jesus was referring to.

It's not about a line of reasoning, but of proper exegesis, taking into account all of the related scriptures on any given Biblical subject.

Yes, I agree with you, Jesus had the power to forgive the sins of the thief, but that is not the issue. What the issue is, is that Jesus also said to the thief "today you will be with me in paradise." Therefore we have to consider how Jesus could make that promise when they both died that same day? It was because He was speaking about where their spirits would go once their bodies died. And that place was the same place of comfort/paradise where Abraham and Lazarus were down in Hades.

no1 · Aug 28, 2019

garee said:

Since Jesus IS the word of God, we need to place our faith in Him or what He said, or the word of God, or the promises of His word.
Not any of the apostles.
For we are born again BY the word of God itself, LITERALLY.
i mean word of God itself is what saves us.
For the word of God IS both the flesh and blood of Jesus, He said we must both eat and drink respectively to have eternal life. Without it, there is no Jesus, Holy Spirit in us, or eternal life.
And all promises of God must be received by faith.

Whispered · Aug 28, 2019

Ahwatukee said:

I did not say you learned what you believe from a church. If you read my remarks again you'll see that.
I would ask you, if you do not follow the teachings of any church why then do you repeat and defend that which is contained in the Apostles Creed? That Jesus descended into Hades.

Acts 2:29–31
29 “Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about t the patriarch David uthat he both died and v was buried, and w his tomb is with us to this day. 30 x Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that y God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, 31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that z he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.
t
Ac 7:8 Ac 7:9 Heb 7:4
u
Ac 13:36
v
1 Ki 2:10
w
Ne 3:16
x
2 Sa 23:2 Mt 22:43 Heb 11:32
y
Lk 1:32
z
Ac 2:27

May God bless and keep you all of your days.

eternally-gratefull · Aug 28, 2019

Have not been here in a bit, Do people still believe christians can go to hell?

RevelationsMc · Aug 28, 2019

Galatians 5:16 KJV
[16] This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

ShowMercy · Aug 28, 2019

GyO said:

We all are going through trials at certain points of our life when Satan makes requests of God to swift us and sadly many fall and do not stand up. Is it because they are lukewarm Christians or lacking of faith?

ShowMercy · Aug 28, 2019

I belive we fall because of sin . We may be saved and covered by the blood of Jesus . But we still sin because we live in a world full of sin . But praise God for marcy . We can pray for our sins to be forgiven . God had known we would still sin that is why God sent Jesus .

Whispered · Aug 28, 2019

I think in the spirit of truth also that it something briefly touched upon earlier in this discussion should be revisited.
It was said that the Jews worshiped Baal. And it was implied that that is what Jesus meant in his remarks to the scribes and pharisee's. That they were of their father the devil. Meaning, Baal.
However, that isn't what Jesus could have been saying, when Jesus was our Father of the Old Testament. The Israelite's did turn to Baal worship for a brief time and God of course took notice and challenged that false god in his own lands. And of course Baal failed.
The people of Israel, the Israelite's, we are told returned to God. From what we heard said in the Book of Jeremiah about Baal worship, it turned to a return to God the Father in the Book of 1st Samuel 7.
7 And the men of Kiriath-jearim came and took up the ark of the Lord and brought it to the house of Abinadab on the hill. And they consecrated his son Eleazar to have charge of the ark of the Lord. 2 From the day that the ark was lodged at Kiriath-jearim, a long time passed, some twenty years, and all the house of Israel lamented after the Lord.

I think that is important as we proceed in our time together. Because now we're being told that YHWH is not our God, the Father. That too is false.
We must speak truth in the spirit of truth.

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