sabbath

[Deade]

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant. *Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

Why do you go on and on about the letter of the law Dan? Like JaumeJ has explained below, those of us that still see the law as pertinent keep the spirit of the law.

We are permitted to worship, encouraged to, any day of the week. Our walk in Jesus, Yeshua, is worship.

As for the Seventh Day, there is only one. As for a day made special by our Father only, it is only that seventh day after the six of creation. It is a personal gift from the Father to His Children to have a day set aside just for the family to rest from the six ordinary working days with each other .. No special rules except to honor our Father.

Thanks Jack, for your insightful perspective. It is always appreciated.

Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

*So here the Sabbath rest is the perpetual rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with Jesus Christ, in contrast to keeping the weekly seventh day Sabbath under the Law.

Well Dan, the only thing that verse proves is that all is not fulfilled yet (see Matt. 5:18).

 

[JamOn]

How long has anyone worked without taking a day off? I did three months straight I was worn slam out.

 

[Deade]

How long has anyone worked without taking a day off? I did three months straight I was worn slam out.

Yeah, anybody that call this life rest: surely has low expectations. Scripture points out that we are in an unfriendly world and to look for something better.

John 16:33 "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."

1 Cor. 15:19 "If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable."

 

[mailmandan]

Well Dan, the only thing that verse proves is that all is not fulfilled yet (see Matt. 5:18).

There are those who continue to argue that, since Jesus did not “abolish” the Law, then the Law is still binding on New Testament Christians. Paul made is clear that the believer in Christ is no longer under the Law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14; Galatians 3:24-26) We are not under the Mosaic Law but under “the law of Christ” (Galatians 6:2).

If the Law is still binding on us today, then it has not yet accomplished its purpose and has not yet been fulfilled and if that’s the case, then Jesus was wrong in claiming to fulfill it and His sacrifice on the cross was insufficient to save. Thank God that Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law and now grants us His righteousness as a free gift.

 

[JamOn]

Yeah, anybody that call this life rest: surely has low expectations. Scripture points out that we are in an unfriendly world and to look for something better.

John 16:33 "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."

1 Cor. 15:19 "If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable." View attachment 203178

 

[Deade]

There are those who continue to argue that, since Jesus did not “abolish” the Law, then the Law is still binding on New Testament Christians. Paul made is clear that the believer in Christ is no longer under the Law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14; Galatians 3:24-26) We are not under the Mosaic Law but under “the law of Christ” (Galatians 6:2).

If the Law is still binding on us today, then it has not yet accomplished its purpose and has not yet been fulfilled and if that’s the case, then Jesus was wrong in claiming to fulfill it and His sacrifice on the cross was insufficient to save. Thank God that Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law and now grants us His righteousness as a free gift.

Paul was addressing sin ruling in Christians lives and that our justification is by grace. That was the context for your Rom. 6:14. [Rom. 6:12 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof."

For the Galatians 3 context: We must back up a chapter to see what Paul was addressing. Gal. 2:4 "And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:" Again, about justification.

Context, context, context: We must always follow context to determine what scripture is speaking of.

 

[mailmandan]

Paul was addressing sin ruling in Christians lives and that our justification is by grace. That was the context for your Rom. 6:14. [Rom. 6:12 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof."

For the Galatians 3 context: We must back up a chapter to see what Paul was addressing. Gal. 2:4 "And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:" Again, about justification.

Context, context, context: We must always follow context to determine what scripture is speaking of. View attachment 203184

The context in both cases does not change the fact that man is not justified by the law but by faith in Jesus Christ and it also does not change the fact that believers are not under law but under grace.

 

[Deade]

The context in both cases does not change the fact that man is not justified by the law but by faith in Jesus Christ and it also does not change the fact that believers are not under law but under grace.

I agree we are not under the law, for that would mean we consider ourselves justified by keeping the law. I don't believe any law-keepers here consider their justification anywhere but under grace.

 

[Grandpa]

Why do you go on and on about the letter of the law Dan? Like JaumeJ has explained below, those of us that still see the law as pertinent keep the spirit of the law.

In so doing what have you done to the gospel and to scripture?

2 Corinthians 3:6-8
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?


It looks like you have mixed everything up and have made Coming to Christ and receiving Rest of no effect, in your philosophy.

But that's what legalists do. They use circular reasoning to bring everything back to working at the law.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

So you can have your work at the law, if you see it as still pertinent.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Or you can come to Christ and receive Rest.

 

[Wall]

I don't believe any law-keepers here consider their justification anywhere but under grace. View attachment 203189

Ive said it time and time again. It doesnt sink in

 

[lightbearer]

In so doing what have you done to the gospel and to scripture?

2 Corinthians 3:6-8
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?


It looks like you have mixed everything up and have made Coming to Christ and receiving Rest of no effect, in your philosophy.

But that's what legalists do. They use circular reasoning to bring everything back to working at the law.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

So you can have your work at the law, if you see it as still pertinent.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Or you can come to Christ and receive Rest.

You have pulled three sections of three letters out of context to imply something they don't imply.

 

[Grandpa]

Ive said it time and time again. It doesnt sink in

Because it doesn't make any sense to say you work at the law and keep it in your own understanding and strength and then simultaneously say you believe in justification by Grace.

You can say it.

But its not possible.

If you believed, REALLY believed in justification by Grace then you would abide in Grace and would no longer work at the law.

That is what doesn't sink in.

 

[Grandpa]

You have pulled three sections of three letters out of context to imply something they don't imply.

No. I have taken three different ideas in scripture and have shown how they are related to the error of legalism.

The reason why a legalist would take exception to it is because it is harder for them to twist it into working at the law, again.

 

[lightbearer]

Because it doesn't make any sense to say you work at the law and keep it in your own understanding and strength and then simultaneously say you believe in justification by Grace.

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No one that I am aware of has said, "to say you work at the law and keep it in your own understanding and strength..."

If they had they are wrong.

 

[lightbearer]

No. I have taken three different ideas in scripture and have shown how they are related to the error of legalism.

The reason why a legalist would take exception to it is because it is harder for them to twist it into working at the law, again.

Yes you have. And it can be easily proven.
Legalist? Are you a child where you think name calling is of love?

 

[Grandpa]

No one that I am aware of has said, "to say you work at the law and keep it in your own understanding and strength..."

If they had they are wrong.

What is the implication of showing what the 10 commandments say and then telling people that is what you keep?

Is this kindergarten? This is people saying they keep the 10 commandments in their own understanding and strength.

 

[Grandpa]

Yes you have. And it can be easily proven.
Legalist? Are you a child where you think name calling is of love?

Do you deny that you are a legalist?

I figured you would be proud of it by now. Its a fact, isn't it?

 

[lightbearer]

Yes you have. And it can be easily proven.
Legalist? Are you a child where you think name calling is of love?

Sad you think that it is ok as a christian to go around calling people names. Even sadder is the hard heart that refuses to see your error in this. This is such a simple principle too. Even worse you continue...

Do you deny that you are a legalist?

I figured you would be proud of it by now. Its a fact, isn't it?

Christians act in love. Are you denying that you are a christian by continuing to act in such a manner?

No wonder you can't see that you have taken Galatians, Romans, and Corinthians out of context, you can't even grasp this simple principle of love.

 

[lightbearer]

What is the implication of showing what the 10 commandments say and then telling people that is what you keep?

Is this kindergarten? This is people saying they keep the 10 commandments in their own understanding and strength.

No one has said they keep anything in their own strength and understanding.

You ask if this is kindergarten? That is a hoot!

 

[Deade]

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Or you can come to Christ and receive Rest.

Yes, Romans 8:1 is in my spiritual pocketbook which I rub now and again. As far as Christ's rest, I hope this life isn't it. I believe I will wait for His rest.