Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[posthuman]

We teach Christian's to "love your neighbor" without any instructions on how to properly do that.

have you considered maybe you ain't attending to the right teachers?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How do you teach someone to live apart from any instruction? How do you teach them to do anythign without instruction?

I do not get where he comes from

 

[Yahshua]

it's me trying to interpret your evasiveness.

Revelation 12 talks about Satan, the accuser. you interpreted it as being my heart. what did you want me to think?

Show where I've attempted to interpret Revelation 12 in this thread.

You've interpreted that and then associate that word with what I've said to you, next you ask me to defend myself against your interpretation.

It's a strawman.

I don't know what you're thinking at the moment, to be honest. But playing word association without context is in effect twisting scripture.

For instance, Christ said...

John 5:45
Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, in whom you have put your hope.

Is Christ calling Moses satan?? The same Moses who was transfigured with him??

Of course not. But by your logic he is.

Come on..

 

[Yahshua]

have you considered maybe you ain't attending to the right teachers?

I considered that many years ago, then the journey towards truth began for me.

What determines that teachers are teaching correctly? What's the measuring stick or the plum line?

 

[posthuman]

No when asked how to love Yah the answer is "because he first loved us".

you asked how is God served, not how is He loved.
love Him by obeying Him. go two miles when asked to go one. even if it's on a sabbath, lol.

i realize the answer you itched to hear was 'scrupulously keep the law of Moses' ((minus about 2/3 of the jots and tittles)). but you shouldn't despise the answer you received. i wasn't evasive, and i wasn't even the one you asked. it was a free gift.
do you like free ?

do you seriously have some specific circumstance you can't figure out how to love God in, or are you just trying to preach law in all ways possible here?
i mean, if you do have a certain circumstance in mid that puzzles you, say it, and we will help.

 

[PS]

There is all the difference in the world. I agree.
If I were to beg you, would you quit accusing me of "being under it, promoting it, accusing others of it ect"

Please listen and hear these words. No one, not even a Jew can be under the Mosaic Law except in their own delusion. God ended it. Jews should have just accepted Christ and let it go themselves but they were mostly the synagogue of Satan by that time there was virtually no hope anyhow. IT WAS ONLY SET UP TO BE VALID UNTIL JOHN THE BAPTIST from the very beginning. It was just a school master. IT EXPIRED. It was a shadow of what was to come. JESUS SHED HIS BLOOD TO BE THE NEW HUSBAND. THE OLD HUBAND DOES NOT EXIST.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to be under the law. I have never not once in my life (unless trying to make a point) said someone was either under or working the law. NEVER. You will never need to say that to me again. I will never accuse you of it. If I were to accuse you of it I myself would be bearing false witness. I don't understand why those who say "there is no law" always bring up that one, and those who say there is law, always bring up the one Christ shed His blood for. There is some sort of huge disconnect going on.

I do not understand it as I know virtually NOTHING of religion. Any religion. I have no point of reference except the Word. That is the only point I work from. So if you would please please please not accuse me nor defend that, and I will not accuse you either. It is such a waste of time. It truly is like arguing over air.

The only people I know who are obsessed with the law are Jews.

 

[DeighAnn]

Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? Acts 15:10

Jesus replied, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'" Matt 4:7

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not be encumbered once more by a yoke of slavery. Take notice: I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all... Galatians 5:1-2

Please, if you would just use your own sentences. I only ask because it really sets a bad precedent when we take a single verse here and a single verse there and string them together to make our own thought. When doing that any of us can make the Word of God say virtually any thing WE want and the unlearned can not tell the difference. Not that I don't understand, but the same thing goes here again. We can not in any sort of reality, yoke someone to something that doesn't exist.

Are there lots of Jewish converts here? I don't know but has any Christian ever been raised "under the law" by anyone? Come to Christ or Do you know Jesus which has already set that law at nought. Yes it would be to go backwards to accept the Lord and Savior then go back and learn all the laws and follow them kicking Jesus out of your heart and then working towards salvation. What kind of a person would ever even think about doing that. Some of these things just make no sense at all to me. It is like some cult stealing everyones common sense and saying THIS is great and new and improved and full of life and ease and love and IT IS NOT FOR YOU. YOU are going to I don't even know what to write here, so fall backwards does cover it. Anyway, I hope you understand.

 

[posthuman]

Show where I've attempted to interpret Revelation 12 in this thread.

you misinterpreted my questioning 'who actually says we should sin all the more because grace abounds, except the false accuser?'
you thought it was all about you, forgetting the Word.
so i quoted Revelation 12 where Satan is called the accuser of the brethren. to remind you.
then you said 'just like i said, your heart is your only accuser'
by doing so you made it out as tho Revelation 12 is saying my heart = Satan.

do you honestly need me to go find links to the post??
i can't sit here all day. i'm blessed to have some time atm while my wife sleeps.

 

[Magenta]

Please, if you would just use your own sentences. I only ask because it really sets a bad precedent when we take a single verse here and a single verse there and string them together to make our own thought. When doing that any of us can make the Word of God say virtually any thing WE want and the unlearned can not tell the difference. Not that I don't understand, but the same thing goes here again. We can not in any sort of reality, yoke someone to something that doesn't exist.

The law continues to exist to judge and condemn those not covered by the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ... we (those who are born again of the Spirit) are neither judged nor condemned (at the end of this age ) according to the law because we are under Grace, through faith, which is a gift from God. Has someone said the law does not exist? I certainly did not

 

[posthuman]

do you honestly need me to go find links to the post??
i can't sit here all day. i'm blessed to have some time atm while my wife sleeps.

the law says if your neighbors goose is loose you should catch and care for it until you can return it.
((like we need a written law to tell us that))

what does the law say about wild goose chasing, tho?

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[PS]

Just so people know, I ABHOR JUDAISM and am getting to dislike it more and more by the minute.

 

[posthuman]

I encourage you to learn about Hebrew idioms and figures of speeches the patriarchs of the faith used so you can properly navigate through what Paul is saying from one text to the next, especially if you hope to follow Paul properly.

George Lamsa is a false teacher.

 

[DeighAnn]

Considering how important circumcision is to the Jews, I would expect any male of Jewish origin to be circumcised.

Should have accepted Christ. Still from what I understand it does have some health benefits, but that is purely heresay minus any sort of knowledge on my part.

But God is using them for His Will. Gods Plan. I would imagine "forever" gives way to total patience and we give way to hope and longsuffering which, when it ends will be such a relief and back to a perfect world again. I sure do hope I will get to retain in my mind all the perfect sunrises and sunsets and beautiful things of this earth now I have beheld, when I move to the next.

 

[Yahshua]

why are you asking me to judge another man's servant?
is this about poly-cotton blends again?

It's called a rhetorical question in the process of making a point. But I see you're only interested in comebacks, scoring argumentative points, not conversation.

 

[PS]

Should have accepted Christ. Still from what I understand it does have some health benefits, but that is purely heresay minus any sort of knowledge on my part.

But God is using them for His Will. Gods Plan. I would imagine "forever" gives way to total patience and we give way to hope and longsuffering which, when it ends will be such a relief and back to a perfect world again. I sure do hope I will get to retain in my mind all the perfect sunrises and sunsets and beautiful things of this earth now I have beheld, when I move to the next.

I do not want to know.

 

[Yahshua]

George Lamsa is a false teacher.

Who?

I said I encourage you to study Hebrew idioms. I didn't encourage you to find a new teacher.

 

[PS]

Who?

I said I encourage you to study Hebrew idioms. I didn't encourage you to find a new teacher.

Do you have to talk about Judaism on a Christian forum.

 

[DeighAnn]

i do not believe that determination of an inclusion in Christ is a matter of a physical DNA test.
scripture is very clear that the gospel has gone to 'the Gentiles' and that the word 'Gentile' does not refer to the diaspora.

I am just saying they are more prevalent than any other "nation" by Gods promise alone. Those who think they are gentile may be more than that. Does this bring up some problem I am unaware of? Have I inadvertently stepped on a toe? I truly don't know. I was just making an observation.

 

[Yahshua]

you asked how is God served, not how is He loved.
love Him by obeying Him. go two miles when asked to go one. even if it's on a sabbath, lol.

i realize the answer you itched to hear was 'scrupulously keep the law of Moses' ((minus about 2/3 of the jots and tittles)). but you shouldn't despise the answer you received. i wasn't evasive, and i wasn't even the one you asked. it was a free gift.
do you like free ?

do you seriously have some specific circumstance you can't figure out how to love God in, or are you just trying to preach law in all ways possible here?
i mean, if you do have a certain circumstance in mid that puzzles you, say it, and we will help.

Some of you can't get beyond yourselves...

I didn't ask you the question now. And I'm quite sure I asked how to love Him.

(I'm starting to think a few of you guys ARE the same person with different accounts.)

 

[DeighAnn]

I am NOT under Jewish law.

With all I have written and explained? Did I not just say that the Mosaic Law does not exist and therefore you can not be under it?