Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[DeighAnn]

Grace

You are going to have to work on that yourself. If that was all it took, you wouldn't find a single mistake posted here by a SAVED soul. There wouldn't be a snide remark, a condescending attitude, there would be no wranglings.
It would sound like Jesus speaking with Jesus. You know why it isn't? Because some don't want to do the work themselves. God just didn't do enough for them yet. They want Him to do all the work to. So then when they are standing in front of Him he can look at every single one and say I do good work. But why would He do that? He already knows HE DOES GOOD WORK. When He proves us He is really proving Himself? Free will. Individuals. Different Gifts. Different times. Differences make life better, not worse. He isn't looking for an army of Himself, He is look for souls, who Just like Jesus choose to come down and be crucified for us, who are willing to choose HOLY and to work toward in through the love of God that they possess.

Keep bringing it. We will refine. We will do the work. Just lets move forward, So PLEASE, COMMIT TO A SPECIFIC ANSWER FOR THESE POINTS. So I know exactly on which points we agree and which points we do not. And why.

 

[PS]

Here is the question You may have missed it the 1st time, DO YOU HAVE THE LAW OR ARE YOU LAW LESS?

That is a strangely worded question, and is not one I understand. I told you the Christian condition and to that you can add the commandments of Jesus that I posted a few days ago. However I do not have to observe Jewish festivals or feasts, neither do I come under the 613 Mitzvot Laws. I hope that answers your question.

 

[UnderGrace]

You are going to have to work on that yourself. If that was all it took, you wouldn't find a single mistake posted here by a SAVED soul. There wouldn't be a snide remark, a condescending attitude, there would be no wranglings.
It would sound like Jesus speaking with Jesus. You know why it isn't? Because some don't want to do the work themselves. God just didn't do enough for them yet. They want Him to do all the work to. So then when they are standing in front of Him he can look at every single one and say I do good work. But why would He do that? He already knows HE DOES GOOD WORK. When He proves us He is really proving Himself? Free will. Individuals. Different Gifts. Different times. Differences make life better, not worse. He isn't looking for an army of Himself, He is look for souls, who Just like Jesus choose to come down and be crucified for us, who are willing to choose HOLY and to work toward in through the love of God that they possess.

Keep bringing it. We will refine. We will do the work. Just lets move forward, So PLEASE, COMMIT TO A SPECIFIC ANSWER FOR THESE POINTS. So I know exactly on which points we agree and which points we do not. And why.

If that was all it took, you wouldn't find a single mistake posted here by a SAVED soul.

True.

I was only answering your one question and my answer was sufficient.

We do not finish in the flesh what is started in the Spirit.

Walking in the Spirit is not an easy task ... so even though I gave a one word does not mean is a light answer.

 

[DeighAnn]

Tis an honor, in serving the Living God, who's Loving Kindness endures forever, and Father of Jesus Christ!

Just trying to show by my testimonyings(?), that Jesus has the "key/s to the Kingdom of God."
But, of what use is knowing he has the key/s, and never taking them, to unlock the door/s in His Father's House.
Which has many mansions. Properly translated as "areas/places&/or, levels of abidance.
Jesus said He went to "prepare a place" for us. So that "where He is?" You "MAY" be THERE as well.
Flesh eyes, sell the "government" of the Kingdom of God, and Kingdom of Light SHORT!
Jesus didn't say you WILL be there! But, you MAY be there! Gotta USE the key/s! There AIN'T no "get outta jail FREE" card, either!

There is no better companion in the world. Wonder what the Pre and Post lines would look like? Do you think they would be similar?

 

[DeighAnn]

That is a strangely worded question, and is not one I understand. I told you the Christian condition and to that you can add the commandments of Jesus that I posted a few days ago. However I do not have to observe Jewish festivals or feasts, neither do I come under the 613 Mitzvot Laws. I hope that answers your question.

If you are happy with me believing from your answer, that yes, you have the law, then yes it answers my question. Why you can't write that, I find strange but I am good with strange.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are going to have to work on that yourself. If that was all it took, you wouldn't find a single mistake posted here by a SAVED soul. There wouldn't be a snide remark, a condescending attitude, there would be no wranglings.
It would sound like Jesus speaking with Jesus. You know why it isn't? Because some don't want to do the work themselves. God just didn't do enough for them yet. They want Him to do all the work to. So then when they are standing in front of Him he can look at every single one and say I do good work. But why would He do that? He already knows HE DOES GOOD WORK. When He proves us He is really proving Himself? Free will. Individuals. Different Gifts. Different times. Differences make life better, not worse. He isn't looking for an army of Himself, He is look for souls, who Just like Jesus choose to come down and be crucified for us, who are willing to choose HOLY and to work toward in through the love of God that they possess.

Keep bringing it. We will refine. We will do the work. Just lets move forward, So PLEASE, COMMIT TO A SPECIFIC ANSWER FOR THESE POINTS. So I know exactly on which points we agree and which points we do not. And why.

Practice what you preach

Do not expect what you refuse to give

You asked a question, She gave you the perfect answer. And the biblical answer

If you do not agree, say so..

 

[DeighAnn]

and as I was born a Gentile,

Just food for thought, paraphrase, I will make you the father of many nations like sand of the sea, stars of the sky, dust of the dirt. The 10 lost (only lost to us and our memory, not lost to God) tribes scattered through out the earth. What do you think the chances are that "most" of those who settle in "in God we trust" and Christian European countries, and Christian nations through out the world are from the lines of Israel? and are not gentiles at all?

 

[PS]

If you are happy with me believing from your answer, that yes, you have the law, then yes it answers my question. Why you can't write that, I find strange but I am good with strange.

There is a vast difference between following Christ and being under Mosaic Law. Basically if your love of neighbour ls manifest in your actions, then that is the only law we need obey.

 

[Magenta]

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. And what does the Word of God contain? Law. Law is found in the old, in the new, in the prophets, in the psalms, It is everywhere. Shoot, it is inside us. I am thinking we should heed what we are told to heed. But people will scream Nooooooooooooooooooo, you can't do that. How will your heart and soul ever be able to distinguish between a gift and a work if you do? My God are you mad??? If you are living in faith, how will you not lose your faith if you keep using the laws given you for guidance to get to holy????? That can't be done. But I tell you here today, the wisdom and knowledge you receive from the hearing of the Word makes all that not just possible but renders it impossible to separate them. I know sounds to far fetched to keep the Word and the Living Word as ONE.

Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? Acts 15:10

Jesus replied, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'" Matt 4:7

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not be encumbered once more by a yoke of slavery. Take notice: I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all... Galatians 5:1-2

 

[PS]

Just food for thought, paraphrase, I will make you the father of many nations like sand of the sea, stars of the sky, dust of the dirt. The 10 lost (only lost to us and our memory, not lost to God) tribes scattered through out the earth. What do you think the chances are that "most" of those who settle in "in God we trust" and Christian European countries, and Christian nations through out the world are from the lines of Israel? and are not gentiles at all?

Considering how important circumcision is to the Jews, I would expect any male of Jewish origin to be circumcised.

 

[PS]

If you are happy with me believing from your answer, that yes, you have the law, then yes it answers my question. Why you can't write that, I find strange but I am good with strange.

I am NOT under Jewish law.

 

[posthuman]

Spiritual eyes, see? ALL the ground is GOOD! BECAUSE? "Where does the seed fall?" "On ALL the ground!" BUT? "YOU!" Have to MAKE it GOOD!

one plants, another waters, but God gives the increase. He says let the tares grow with the wheat, until harvest, because the workers in the field aren't able to pluck out one without destroying the other.

 

[Yahshua]

so you're saying Satan is my heart? congratulations on your reward. enjoy it.

Is this a question or an accusation? I can't be sure since the rules keep changing from your posts to mine, then back to yours.

The word "congratulations" would suggest it's a conclusion you've reached instead of posting a pure interrogative that you seek my answer to, but i can't be sure. The rule is in constant flux.

I suspect the rule again will be the opposite of what I've assumed it to mean this next go around, as intended.

however i asked, who is it that that actually says '

let's sin all the more since grace abounds' ?
because i never seem to hear it except when it's falsely accused.

Nevermind us in here. Look around you. Look at the Christian world as a whole. Who's NOT saying that right now to themselves is a better question.

That's the slippery slope we must fight against by correcting misunderstandings in scripture & teachings like in the letters Paul has written.

it's the reason why we have christians who are practicing homosexuals today with no guilt, and why other Christians are regularly engaging in fornication, backbiting, etc, but will think nothing of it while praising god on Sunday. No conviction.

It's why there's no growth in righteousness but a stready, measurable degeneration of the Christian community which now looks no different than the secular world. Look at the fruit of this Christian generation today. Do you think we've grown more in righteousness in nearly 2000 years or less?

if the current position "that we're to do away with the law and let Christ do the work and put no effort in ourselves" is the prevailing thought of the Christian community then Christ isn't doing a good job. Thus the position is not an accurate thought, as scripture and the letters prove.

This is what happens when there is no standard taught to generations upon generations of new believers. This is the result when the law or the "OT" is taught to be irrelevant, or when we threaten folks with damnation (i.e. "you're rejecting Christ") for studying or trying to obey the scriptures.

We teach Christian's to "love your neighbor" without any instructions on how to properly do that. Nevermind it being only the 2nd greatest commandment; no one even attempts the address the greatest one. No when asked how to love Yah the answer is "because he first loved us".

They're taught "the Spirit will convict" "dont judge" but not taught how to test the spirits to make sure they're hearing the right one...so in the end most christians end up worst off than when they started in the faith, because one person's spirit is saying something completely different than another person's spirit...yet both are claiming to possess the same Holy Spirit.

it's confusion.

Why not say -- as some slanderously claim that we say -- "Let us do evil that good may result"? ​

(Romans 3:8) ​

is Paul writing about his own heart? it doesn't seem like he is, to me. maybe this is also 'a very specific idiom' ?

I can tell you he is. I can tell you he's not, but as with other answers whether you believe me or not is a different matter. In this context he's referring other false teachers who would make such a claim.

I encourage you to learn about Hebrew idioms and figures of speeches the patriarchs of the faith used so you can properly navigate through what Paul is saying from one text to the next, especially if you hope to follow Paul properly.

With all this said, if no one here has accused you, and yet you feel accused, it's not anyone here accusing you but your heart.

 

[posthuman]

How does one distinguish good works from bad works?

when the 8th day falls on the 7th do you circumcise the child?

neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is anything; instead, a new creation.
(Galatians 6:15) ​

 

[posthuman]

Is this a question or an accusation? I can't be sure since the rules keep changing from your posts to mine, then back to yours.

it's me trying to interpret your evasiveness.

Revelation 12 talks about Satan, the accuser. you interpreted it as being my heart. what did you want me to think?

 

[posthuman]

When the "recipient" of "love" doesn't "see", or take it as love, but rather, an attack? Due to the entanglement of a/the "tare/s" that the recipient displays?
Is that still "love?"
Or, fulfilling something "the law" doesn't cover?
Or, is it something else?

love ain't reliably measured by the person receiving it. ever stop to help a turtle cross the road? HISSSSSS!!!
((tho they don't all say that. sometimes you find an amenable one, who has gratitude ))

God brought the people out of slavery -
- and they said, He has only brought us out here to die! do i measure God's love by "the lie" ? nah.

they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. ​

(2 Thessalonians 2:10)​

 

[posthuman]

Just food for thought, paraphrase, I will make you the father of many nations like sand of the sea, stars of the sky, dust of the dirt. The 10 lost (only lost to us and our memory, not lost to God) tribes scattered through out the earth. What do you think the chances are that "most" of those who settle in "in God we trust" and Christian European countries, and Christian nations through out the world are from the lines of Israel? and are not gentiles at all?

i do not believe that determination of an inclusion in Christ is a matter of a physical DNA test.
scripture is very clear that the gospel has gone to 'the Gentiles' and that the word 'Gentile' does not refer to the diaspora.

 

[posthuman]

Nevermind us in here. Look around you. Look at the Christian world as a whole. Who's NOT saying that right now to themselves is a better question.

i assume by inviting me to accuse the brethren with you that you mean 'look at those who pretend to be Christians but aren't'
it would be of great use to share a common, fixed vocabulary.

what measure would you suggest to use to judge with? i'm uncommonly interested in measures.

 

[DeighAnn]

There is a vast difference between following Christ and being under Mosaic Law. Basically if your love of neighbour ls manifest in your actions, then that is the only law we need obey.

There is all the difference in the world. I agree.
If I were to beg you, would you quit accusing me of "being under it, promoting it, accusing others of it ect"

Please listen and hear these words. No one, not even a Jew can be under the Mosaic Law except in their own delusion. God ended it. Jews should have just accepted Christ and let it go themselves but they were mostly the synagogue of Satan by that time there was virtually no hope anyhow. IT WAS ONLY SET UP TO BE VALID UNTIL JOHN THE BAPTIST from the very beginning. It was just a school master. IT EXPIRED. It was a shadow of what was to come. JESUS SHED HIS BLOOD TO BE THE NEW HUSBAND. THE OLD HUBAND DOES NOT EXIST.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to be under the law. I have never not once in my life (unless trying to make a point) said someone was either under or working the law. NEVER. You will never need to say that to me again. I will never accuse you of it. If I were to accuse you of it I myself would be bearing false witness. I don't understand why those who say "there is no law" always bring up that one, and those who say there is law, always bring up the one Christ shed His blood for. There is some sort of huge disconnect going on.

I do not understand it as I know virtually NOTHING of religion. Any religion. I have no point of reference except the Word. That is the only point I work from. So if you would please please please not accuse me nor defend that, and I will not accuse you either. It is such a waste of time. It truly is like arguing over air.

 

[posthuman]

It's why there's no growth in righteousness but a stready, measurable degeneration of the Christian community which now looks no different than the secular world. Look at the fruit of this Christian generation today. Do you think we've grown more in righteousness in nearly 2000 years or less?

why are you asking me to judge another man's servant?
is this about poly-cotton blends again?