If I reply with:
"There are no pre-trib verses."
- then, it's not going to be very useful to a productive discussion.
So, instead, I will say:
"Let's just be very honest, shall we...?"
In truth, there are no pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib verses.
There are only conclusions made from the examination and interpretation of many verses of scripture.
There is not a single stand-alone verse anywhere in scripture that with absolute certainty proves pre/mid/post-trib.
Many verses, each in their respective passage and context, must be examined.
And -- ALL verses that have any bearing on the topic must be considered.
"All scripture must agree."
The scriptures do tell us the truth about the End Times Scenario; however, we must properly discern between what the scriptures actually say and wisdom-of-men conjecture and wishful thinking.
My own personal conclusions come from years of Bible study utilizing a study method whereby verses are compared within context based on the following:
~ "What happens before what?"
~ "What happens after what?"
~ "What happens at the same time as what?"
~ "What details are uniquely matched or similar enough to draw a particular conclusion with more-than-reasonable certainty?"
If, in my studying, I encountered a phrase like:
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days..."
- then, I "took the Bible's word for it" and accepted the words for what they really actually said, determined exactly what "the tribulation of those days" was referring to in the context of the passage, and examined what it was telling me actually occurred after "the tribulation of those days"...
The results of my study of different aspects of the End Times Scenario are compiled in such a way and presented with the intent that the reader would be able to see those results as direct-from-the-scriptures as possible.
Instead of writing perhaps several pages of explanation describing my interpretation of the various verses, I have chosen to simply arrange the verses according to the associations between them from the study of the verses in context with regard to the study topic.
Anyone may view the current state of each of my End Times Scenario study topics on my website. I invite everyone to take a closer look at what scripture really actually says about the End Times Scenario.
"There are no pre-trib verses."
- then, it's not going to be very useful to a productive discussion.
So, instead, I will say:
"Let's just be very honest, shall we...?"
In truth, there are no pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib verses.
There are only conclusions made from the examination and interpretation of many verses of scripture.
There is not a single stand-alone verse anywhere in scripture that with absolute certainty proves pre/mid/post-trib.
Many verses, each in their respective passage and context, must be examined.
And -- ALL verses that have any bearing on the topic must be considered.
"All scripture must agree."
The scriptures do tell us the truth about the End Times Scenario; however, we must properly discern between what the scriptures actually say and wisdom-of-men conjecture and wishful thinking.
My own personal conclusions come from years of Bible study utilizing a study method whereby verses are compared within context based on the following:
~ "What happens before what?"
~ "What happens after what?"
~ "What happens at the same time as what?"
~ "What details are uniquely matched or similar enough to draw a particular conclusion with more-than-reasonable certainty?"
If, in my studying, I encountered a phrase like:
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days..."
- then, I "took the Bible's word for it" and accepted the words for what they really actually said, determined exactly what "the tribulation of those days" was referring to in the context of the passage, and examined what it was telling me actually occurred after "the tribulation of those days"...
The results of my study of different aspects of the End Times Scenario are compiled in such a way and presented with the intent that the reader would be able to see those results as direct-from-the-scriptures as possible.
Instead of writing perhaps several pages of explanation describing my interpretation of the various verses, I have chosen to simply arrange the verses according to the associations between them from the study of the verses in context with regard to the study topic.
Anyone may view the current state of each of my End Times Scenario study topics on my website. I invite everyone to take a closer look at what scripture really actually says about the End Times Scenario.
But if you will be honest and look,you will find the pretrib rapture verses.
How we can post them,over and over,then you say there are none,is rediculous.
I have yet to hear you or any postrib examine rev 14 in light of 1 thes 4.
Nor any of the postribs come up with a single postrib rapture verse.
...and in light of THE UTTER IMPOSSIBILITY of a post trib rapture,we can eliminate that one as well as mid trib.
There are no verses that say you can't drive your car through a mountain.
But plenty on presumption and foolishness.
The "there are no verses" declaration ONLY APPLIES to post and mid trib rapture scenarios.
Try using a test fit.
The debate for non pretrib adherants has ALWAYS BEEN "There simply can not be a pretrib rapture". That is a notion. That is their starting place.
They are oblivious that they are totally debunked. Totally and completely debunked. Seems impossible,and yet they still believe what they will.
It is so easy to debunk it is almost comical