Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[eternally-gratefull]

I would say that the ten commandments of God are moral guideposts that are relevant to all people. They encompass, as I see it anyway, respect for God, self, and others. And love as well.

Jesus said when asked what commands should people keep, love the Lord with all your heart and mind. And love your neighbor as you love yourself. Upon those two commands in the new testament hang the laws and the prophets. He did not say, those two commands abolish the laws and the prophets. He said those laws and the prophets writings are grounded in those two areas that pertain to love and respect.

I wonder what the original language in Matthew 4:48 was. Because we can never be perfect in this life. And I am certain God knows this.

The problem is as jesus showed on the sermon on the mount, One can keep the letter (those ten commands as written) and yet still break them.

Are they still sin if you break them? Yes
Is it bad ot break them? Yes
But they in themselves do not give us directions as to what every possible way to break them are. And HOW to keep them.

That is what jesus meant buy they encompass the law. If you are loving, you will not break them. By the letter or any other way.

Fail to love, and you risk breaking them whether your trying to keep them or not

 

[Whispered]

Paul said people should not judge over sabbath keeping.

Yes, I did read that. And that would mean those who keep the sabbath should go without judgment as those who do not keep the sabbath should.
Did Jesus ever say the Sabbath was not to be honored anymore? After his coming as Messiah. Do you know? Or that question is to anyone who may know.
Thanks.

 

[posthuman]

I simply asked Post to clarify his question before I answered and another firestorm of accusations commenced. I guess that's ducking the question lol. Good thing the armor of God is made of such sturdy material

It is a sin to lie.

I asked questions, not 'fired off the darts of the evil one'

And you didn't answer any of them.
This post I quoted, that was your response, and saying that I implied the law is sin, that was your response.

The law is a mirror. It says, 'do not lie'

Why does the law say that?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, I did read that. And that would mean those who keep the sabbath should go without judgment as those who do not keep the sabbath should.
Did Jesus ever say the Sabbath was not to be honored anymore? After his coming as Messiah. Do you know? Or that question is to anyone who may know.
Thanks.

I believe we all should take a day of rest. And that was the origional purpose of the saterday rest.

But the sabbath tradition as given to Israel. No.

 

[Whispered]

they were all Jewish men and, please point out the Scripture that said they did.

I had to search to find an answer, if there were to be one. There was!

Acts 13 and verse 14 has Paul and Barnabas and others going to synagogue for sabbath. And in verses 26&27 of that chapter and in verse 42 Gentiles were invited to join there too. I take that to mean Paul, who's called Saul in that chapter verse 1, meant for them to be there. And in verse the whole city of people came together on the next sabbath to worship together. That's in verse 44. And this is after Jesus resurrection. Paul had said that we are all one in our faith in Christ. There is no segregation like there was at the time prior to our Lord's coming.

Acts 15 has many verses that relate to sabbath and Gentiles and worship on sabbath day.

Back in the Book of John on the first day of the week the disciples were assembled when Jesus came to them. "Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you."
That is in the Book of John 20:19

Then I found this scripture when Jesus came to his disciples according to Luke's accounting.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Luke 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

I think Jesus would have said if the sabbath was to be done away with he would have said so then. That's why I asked earlier if there are any scriptures where Jesus did that.

 

[Whispered]

I believe we all should take a day of rest. And that was the origional purpose of the saterday rest.

But the sabbath tradition as given to Israel. No.

I've posted other verses in a different reply that says Paul after Jesus ascension kept the sabbath and invited the Gentiles to do the same. And then on the next sabbath the whole town honored the sabbath. What sabbath would Paul have been teaching about if not the original intended day of rest as God ordained it? "Remember the sabbath day and keep it holy." Paul was one of the Pharisee before he found Christ. Who better to know the laws of God than he?

 

[PS]

Yes, I did read that. And that would mean those who keep the sabbath should go without judgment as those who do not keep the sabbath should.
Did Jesus ever say the Sabbath was not to be honored anymore? After his coming as Messiah. Do you know? Or that question is to anyone who may know.
Thanks.

Speaking for myself. We are told to assemble ourselves together, with no mention of the day :-

Heb 10:23-25 KJV Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised (24) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: (25) Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

The most important thing for me is to do as Jesus commanded, and he said to do a certain thing in remembrance of Him. So that is what we do. As far as I am aware Jesus did not specify a day, but we remember his death and resurrection on Sunday, because that is Resurrection Day.

Luk 22:14-20 KJV And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. (15) And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: (16) For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. (17) And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: (18) For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. (19) And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. (20) Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

 

[PS]

I've posted other verses in a different reply that says Paul after Jesus ascension kept the sabbath and invited the Gentiles to do the same. And then on the next sabbath the whole town honored the sabbath. What sabbath would Paul have been teaching about if not the original intended day of rest as God ordained it? "Remember the sabbath day and keep it holy." Paul was one of the Pharisee before he found Christ. Who better to know the laws of God than he?

For me and other Christians, there is nothing so important as remembering the Lord's death and Resurrection, especially on the day He rose from the dead. Hence the change from Saturday to Sunday for Christians, although of course we can remember our Saviour any day of the week as pastors do when they visit the sick at home or in hospital.

Jews have nothing to celebrate. All they have is their tradition.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Have you ever noticed that what ever you start being accused of, is exactly what is being done to you? Is there a word for that?

I think the word is "projecting"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think the word is "projecting"

So whats it called when people lie about others beliefs?

 

[Whispered]

For me and other Christians, there is nothing so important as remembering the Lord's death and Resurrection, especially on the day He rose from the dead. Hence the change from Saturday to Sunday for Christians, although of course we can remember our Saviour any day of the week as pastors do when they visit the sick at home or in hospital.

Jews have nothing to celebrate. All they have is their tradition.

I hope you will understand when I tell you I will not criticize the Jews as my Lord was Jewish.

The first part of your post I will respond to, so here goes. It is my understanding that Jesus was crucified on Passover afternoon. He then lay in the tomb for three days and nights then resurrected on sabbath day.
Something else I remember too. Jesus said to his disciples, if you love me keep my commandments. Why would one commandment no longer apply if Jesus meant to keep all his commandments?

 

[SimpleGardner]

Yes, I did read that. And that would mean those who keep the sabbath should go without judgment as those who do not keep the sabbath should.
Did Jesus ever say the Sabbath was not to be honored anymore? After his coming as Messiah. Do you know? Or that question is to anyone who may know.
Thanks.

Greetings W,

I think your question is part of the essence of the original post. And the answer to that question has been a definitive NO, Jesus did not say not to keep the commandments.

An interesting point I have put forward and received no answer on is this; If the book of Revelation was John putting down the words of Yahshua then how, if the book was written long after the last epistle of Paul was written can they reconcile these verses;

Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


Crickets!

I have asked a few of them if they acknowledge Revelation as truly the words of Yahshua and only one out of many has said yes, the rest refuse to answer.

Also, many people forget the other portion of that commandment. "Six days thou shalt do thy work,...."

Bless YHWH, Know and Keep

SG

 

[Grandpa]

Greetings W,

I think your question is part of the essence of the original post. And the answer to that question has been a definitive NO, Jesus did not say not to keep the commandments.

An interesting point I have put forward and received no answer on is this; If the book of Revelation was John putting down the words of Yahshua then how, if the book was written long after the last epistle of Paul was written can they reconcile these verses;

Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


Crickets!

I have asked a few of them if they acknowledge Revelation as truly the words of Yahshua and only one out of many has said yes, the rest refuse to answer.

Also, many people forget the other portion of that commandment. "Six days thou shalt do thy work,...."

Bless YHWH, Know and Keep

SG

Romans 9:30-32
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Here are they that keep the commandments and the faith of Jesus.

Now looking at Romans 9, which group would that be?

The Gentiles, which don't follow after the law but have attained Righteousness through faith in Christ?

Or People who work at the law but have not attained to the Righteousness of Faith?


Here's another way to look at it;
2 Corinthians 3:6-9
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.


So which group here are the ones who keep the commandments and the faith of Christ?

Those that follow after the letter, the Ministration of Death and Condemnation written on stone?

Or those who follow the Spirit, the ministration of Righteousness through Faith in Christ?


A very simple question by Paul;
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


Now which is Beginning in the Spirit and which is attempting to be made perfect by the flesh?

Resting in the finished works of Christ by Faith?

Or resting only on saturdays because your understanding of the 10 commandments say so?



Are these questions difficult? They seem exceedingly simple and clear to me. I suppose if you are led away with the error of the lawless you will twist scripture and wrestle with Paul. Will you?

 

[Grandpa]

Greetings W,

I think your question is part of the essence of the original post. And the answer to that question has been a definitive NO, Jesus did not say not to keep the commandments.

That is not true either.

The Original Post asked "Did Jesus ever tell us we no longer need to keep the law of Moses"?

The Answer is a DEFINITIVE YES. But He did so in a sort of parable form.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Labour and heavy laden from doing what?

Rest from what?

From the law of Moses, the 10 commandments, the Ministration of Death and Condemnation, The law of sin and death.

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

 

[Yahshua]

What logicare you tryin gto prove, I feel like I am talkin gto some high school bully who thinks he needs to make himself look like a tough guy by asking stupid questions..

Of course the answer is no to all of those. (See I am not afraid to answer, why would I be?)

By the way, If you have to be told what these passages mean, Then something is dearly wrong with you.

All psychological projection EG. You're the only only between us using constant name calling and derision as a tactic. It's clear that you're implicating yourself.

And you missed the point of my question entirely.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All psychological projection EG. You're the only only between us using constant name calling and derision as a tactic. It's clear that you're implicating yourself.

And you missed the point of my question entirely.

When your ready to actually discuss the bible come and talk to me

I am sick of your belittling and attacks..

Good day sir.

 

[SimpleGardner]

All psychological projection EG. You're the only only between us using constant name calling and derision as a tactic. It's clear that you're implicating yourself.

And you missed the point of my question entirely.

Greetings Y,

Unfortunately you are correct in your application of that terminology.

 

[Yahshua]

I realize this is what pop psychology tells you, and what many preachers have latched onto as an explanation, but it isn't true. Through the law comes the knowledge of sin, not the lusts of sin itself - what you've said here is exactly the thing you accuse me of saying, tho all I did was ask a question and quote a scripture. You are saying here that law produces sin - as tho a person doesn't desire to murder in their heart until they are told 'do not'
This isn't the truth. Do you have children? They will lie and they will covet long before anyone ever tells them not to. Raise a son, and you will find yourself issuing rules to them about things that you never even thought it was possible someone would want to do, that you never have mentioned to them before you find them engaging in it.

Law reveals sin, or causes it - and sin takes the occasion to spring to life and seek to break bend or subvert commands, not because sin wasn't there before - but because sin in all its vanity rebuff at it, and is all the more sinful.
You can't make a perfect human by refraining from giving them any rules. All you get in that case is an unrestrained human.

The heart must be changed, renewed - something only God can do. It is as it is written - the law is not for the righteous, and God has constrained all under sin, so He might show mercy, and be the justifier of the just: who live by faith, and for whom the law was not written.

It all sound well and good if what you claim I said was actually said.

This is what happens when content is cherry picked. You can make any content say what you want it to say when you pull it from its context.

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What you folks don't seem to realize is I purposely turn your tactics on you to show you what you're doing. And instead of seeing them for what they are you're emboldened to claim I'm somehow in the wrong for doing them as if you werent just guilty.

I've been showing you your hypocrisy but you can't seem to see yourself in the mirror.

 

[SimpleGardner]

I've been showing you your hypocrisy but you can't seem to see yourself in the mirror.

Why look in the mirror if you don't care about what you see!?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Greetings Y,

Unfortunately you are correct in your application of that terminology.

Your funny dude. Sad, but funny