Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

DeighAnn

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
Jun 11, 2019
2,436
760
113
except, it's not. as I already pointed out to you, Leviticus 26 makes it crystal clear that there is one Covenant.
When you say crystal clear that there is "ONE" covenant, by that ONE COVENANT do you mean the Adamic, or the Noahic, or the Abrahamic, or the Davidic, or the New or another one?
 

DeighAnn

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
Jun 11, 2019
2,436
760
113
I just read to day in Acts when Jesus was speaking about Paul after Paul's conversion about him " taking His ( Jesus ) name to the gentiles", not the Law to the gentiles.
There were laws given to them
 

DeighAnn

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
Jun 11, 2019
2,436
760
113
you are pushing the judeaizer lie that the Law is divided into parts, with the sacrifices and ceremonial laws being fulfilled and the commands are still binding in the New Covenant.
The law is divided into parts. Judeaizer or not.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
The law is divided into parts. Judeaizer or not.
The law is one unit

It is meant as different parts of a whole

As paul said, if your going to follow one part. Your indebted to follow every part.
 

gb9

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2011
12,399
6,738
113
When you say crystal clear that there is "ONE" covenant, by that ONE COVENANT do you mean the Adamic, or the Noahic, or the Abrahamic, or the Davidic, or the New or another one?
one last time, in Lev. 26 God spoke of the Covenant " that He made with the fathers of those he brought out of Egypt"

what Covenant?

the one, ONE being the key word, God the Father made with Israel at Sinai ( Israel only)
so, if your ancestry is not traced by to those who crossed the red sea, then you are not and never were under that Covenant.

and, there is only one word used in the N.T. for the Law,. not multiple words for different Laws.

so, if you have an issue with what Moses said that God said, or the greek language, then go yell at them,

it is not my nor anyone's here, faults that you cannot accept clear truth right in front of your face.
 

DeighAnn

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
Jun 11, 2019
2,436
760
113
one last time, in Lev. 26 God spoke of the Covenant " that He made with the fathers of those he brought out of Egypt"

what Covenant?

the one, ONE being the key word, God the Father made with Israel at Sinai ( Israel only)
so, if your ancestry is not traced by to those who crossed the red sea, then you are not and never were under that Covenant.
Jeremiah 34:13 Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; I made a covenant with your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondmen, saying,
Jeremiah 34:14 At the end of seven years let ye go every man his brother an Hebrew, which hath been sold unto thee; and when he hath served thee six years, thou shalt let him go free from thee: but your fathers hearkened not unto me, neither inclined their ear.

Jeremiah 34:15 And ye were now turned, and had done right in my sight, in proclaiming liberty every man to his neighbour; and ye had made a covenant before me in the house which is called by my name:

Jeremiah 34:16 But ye turned and polluted my name, and caused every man his servant, and every man his handmaid, whom he had set at liberty at their pleasure, to return, and brought them into subjection, to be unto you for servants and for handmaids.

Jeremiah 34:17 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Ye have not hearkened unto me, in proclaiming liberty, every one to his brother, and every man to his neighbour: behold, I proclaim a liberty for you, saith the LORD, to the sword, to the pestilence, and to the famine; and I will make you to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.

Jeremiah 34:18 And I will give the men that have transgressed my covenant, which have not performed the words of the covenant which they had made before me, when they cut the calf in twain, and passed between the parts thereof,

Jeremiah 34:19 The princes of Judah, and the princes of Jerusalem, the eunuchs, and the priests, and all the people of the land, which passed between the parts of the calf;

Jeremiah 34:20 I will even give them into the hand of their enemies, and into the hand of them that seek their life: and their dead bodies shall be for meat unto the fowls of the heaven, and to the beasts of the earth.

Jeremiah 34:21 And Zedekiah king of Judah and his princes will I give into the hand of their enemies, and into the hand of them that seek their life, and into the hand of the king of Babylon's army, which are gone up from you.

Jeremiah 34:22 Behold, I will command, saith the LORD, and cause them to return to this city; and they shall fight against it, and take it, and burn it with fire: and I will make the cities of Judah a desolation without an inhabitant.
 

Whispered

Well-known member
Aug 17, 2019
4,551
2,230
113
www.christiancourier.com
I'm not a law-keeper, but I still haven't found a single piece of evidence -- in the Gospels -- that Jesus ever told us to stop keeping the Law. Should we rely solely on what Paul said?
I thought Jesus reiterated parts of the law in his sermon on the mountain. The mountain being significant in that when God gave Moses his commandments that was also on a mountain.
 

Whispered

Well-known member
Aug 17, 2019
4,551
2,230
113
www.christiancourier.com
one last time, in Lev. 26 God spoke of the Covenant " that He made with the fathers of those he brought out of Egypt"

what Covenant?

the one, ONE being the key word, God the Father made with Israel at Sinai ( Israel only)
so, if your ancestry is not traced by to those who crossed the red sea, then you are not and never were under that Covenant.

and, there is only one word used in the N.T. for the Law,. not multiple words for different Laws.

so, if you have an issue with what Moses said that God said, or the greek language, then go yell at them,

it is not my nor anyone's here, faults that you cannot accept clear truth right in front of your face.
Does that mean I can murder, steal, covet my neighbors possessions, cheat on my spouse, commit perjury, worship other gods, and abuse my parents, take God's name in vain, and ignore God's sabbath?

I ask this in seeking clarification of your point.
 

preston39

Senior Member
Dec 18, 2017
1,675
240
63
I'm not a law-keeper, but I still haven't found a single piece of evidence -- in the Gospels -- that Jesus ever told us to stop keeping the Law. Should we rely solely on what Paul said?
Be specific...what law are you referring?
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
Does that mean I can murder, steal, covet my neighbors possessions, cheat on my spouse, commit perjury, worship other gods, and abuse my parents, take God's name in vain, and ignore God's sabbath?

I ask this in seeking clarification of your point.
No

Nor does it mean you can keep Gods requirement of the law..
 

DeighAnn

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
Jun 11, 2019
2,436
760
113
Does that mean I can murder, steal, covet my neighbors possessions, cheat on my spouse, commit perjury, worship other gods, and abuse my parents, take God's name in vain, and ignore God's sabbath?

I ask this in seeking clarification of your point.
I don't think you can do those I think those are covered in Matt 5, but apparently things like stirring up strife, calling names, being contentious, along with hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, and things like that seem to be ok much of the time


But
fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance
against such there is no law.

(Which would seem to mean there is a law against the ones above those. But no law, what is to stop you??? nothing, and check it out, nothing does, sometimes it feels like you are debating with an adversary instead of a brother in Christ)
 

gb9

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2011
12,399
6,738
113
Jeremiah 34:13 Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; I made a covenant with your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondmen, saying,
Jeremiah 34:14 At the end of seven years let ye go every man his brother an Hebrew, which hath been sold unto thee; and when he hath served thee six years, thou shalt let him go free from thee: but your fathers hearkened not unto me, neither inclined their ear.

Jeremiah 34:15 And ye were now turned, and had done right in my sight, in proclaiming liberty every man to his neighbour; and ye had made a covenant before me in the house which is called by my name:

Jeremiah 34:16 But ye turned and polluted my name, and caused every man his servant, and every man his handmaid, whom he had set at liberty at their pleasure, to return, and brought them into subjection, to be unto you for servants and for handmaids.

Jeremiah 34:17 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Ye have not hearkened unto me, in proclaiming liberty, every one to his brother, and every man to his neighbour: behold, I proclaim a liberty for you, saith the LORD, to the sword, to the pestilence, and to the famine; and I will make you to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.

Jeremiah 34:18 And I will give the men that have transgressed my covenant, which have not performed the words of the covenant which they had made before me, when they cut the calf in twain, and passed between the parts thereof,

Jeremiah 34:19 The princes of Judah, and the princes of Jerusalem, the eunuchs, and the priests, and all the people of the land, which passed between the parts of the calf;

Jeremiah 34:20 I will even give them into the hand of their enemies, and into the hand of them that seek their life: and their dead bodies shall be for meat unto the fowls of the heaven, and to the beasts of the earth.

Jeremiah 34:21 And Zedekiah king of Judah and his princes will I give into the hand of their enemies, and into the hand of them that seek their life, and into the hand of the king of Babylon's army, which are gone up from you.

Jeremiah 34:22 Behold, I will command, saith the LORD, and cause them to return to this city; and they shall fight against it, and take it, and burn it with fire: and I will make the cities of Judah a desolation without an inhabitant.
you do realize that Jeremiah said the same thing Moses said, the Covenant ( singular ) made with the fathers of those who came out of Egypt.

so you just proved me right and yourself wrong in the same post.
you are making this too easy.
 

gb9

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2011
12,399
6,738
113
I don't think you can do those I think those are covered in Matt 5, but apparently things like stirring up strife, calling names, being contentious, along with hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, and things like that seem to be ok much of the time


But
fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance
against such there is no law.

(Which would seem to mean there is a law against the ones above those. But no law, what is to stop you??? nothing, and check it out, nothing does, sometimes it feels like you are debating with an adversary instead of a brother in Christ)
and in the fruits of the Sprit is found no Sabbath keeping because it is not required for Christ followers .
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
Thank you.

What do you mean?
God requires perfection.

As moses said obey every word. Otherwise you are cursed.

Paul confirmed this in gal 3

James said it this way, if you keep the whole law. Yet stumble in even one point, your guilty of all.

Grace teaches us to focus on forgiveness and loving others. Not trying to obey some law we can not keep.
 

gb9

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2011
12,399
6,738
113
Does that mean I can murder, steal, covet my neighbors possessions, cheat on my spouse, commit perjury, worship other gods, and abuse my parents, take God's name in vain, and ignore God's sabbath?

I ask this in seeking clarification of your point.
no. all these , and nine of the Ten are repeated in the New Testament, with Sabbath keeping being the exception.

that is my beef with the judeaizers- they push Sabbath, and it is not there.