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Maam, I have not interacted with you that much, so excuse for sticking my nose in - it sometimes gets too long - but I will try not to tell any lies, so that it does get any longer (like Pinochio's did - LOL!)
On the OSAS issue - I agree with you - I came here several years ago asking questions and trying to figure out what I really believed about salvation, the assurance of salvation, and how faith and works interrelated in the Christian walk. I asked questions, made statements, and had some very "hard-headed" (as I saw someone here "accused" me of being) discussions and debates with some unnamed champions of the eternal security doctrine. I have not seen a single verse that supports OSAS, not seen a single argument for it that holds any weight at all. In fact, I have seen so much of it and the deception and insecurity it breeds that it . . . well - enough said.
But, and here is what I want to say - I count of these who I have interrelated with and vehemently (and still do!) disagreed with some of my closest friends (if that can be said of people only on a forum). They love the Lord, serve Him, and show compassion and love and care for others that is deep, real, and exemplary. We have learned to disagree, and be able to bluntly tell one another so, and yet (for the most part
) these friends have not resorted to name calling.
So, some of us did not come to CC as much to find Christian "fellowship" as to be able to discuss and learn from others who may disagree with the "sacred denominational doctrines" that most of us who are Protestants are taught. Any yet, in deep debates I have found love and fellowship, and have learned how to honestly admit when I was wrong, or when I really got angry! (and I have had some bad moments on CC!) As I have said before here, if hard straight forward discussion offend a person, they had best not come on the BDF!
On this thread you are interrelating with some of the best and most compassionate people on CC! (Of course I do not know all of them here!) Some of them will disagree with you about OSAS, but that doesn't mean they do not love, are just plain stubborn, or are bull-headed!
As I see it, the most fun I am going to have is when I get to glory and get to sit down with some of these on CC and have Peter and John and Paul explain to them the way of salvation more fully. The only worry I have about that is some of them are so unyielding in their views that I fear they may even convince Paul that OSAS is true! (But on the other hand, I plan to correct Paul if it turns out he believes in OSAS!)
Hey, that last paragraph is all in fun -- I had a lot of fun writing it!
Oh, also - at the beginning I said I would try "not to tell any lies" - well, I didn't - even in my second paragraph. But I would be lying if I said I didn't say some things in a way to get some others riled up a little!
On the OSAS issue - I agree with you - I came here several years ago asking questions and trying to figure out what I really believed about salvation, the assurance of salvation, and how faith and works interrelated in the Christian walk. I asked questions, made statements, and had some very "hard-headed" (as I saw someone here "accused" me of being) discussions and debates with some unnamed champions of the eternal security doctrine. I have not seen a single verse that supports OSAS, not seen a single argument for it that holds any weight at all. In fact, I have seen so much of it and the deception and insecurity it breeds that it . . . well - enough said.
But, and here is what I want to say - I count of these who I have interrelated with and vehemently (and still do!) disagreed with some of my closest friends (if that can be said of people only on a forum). They love the Lord, serve Him, and show compassion and love and care for others that is deep, real, and exemplary. We have learned to disagree, and be able to bluntly tell one another so, and yet (for the most part
) these friends have not resorted to name calling. So, some of us did not come to CC as much to find Christian "fellowship" as to be able to discuss and learn from others who may disagree with the "sacred denominational doctrines" that most of us who are Protestants are taught. Any yet, in deep debates I have found love and fellowship, and have learned how to honestly admit when I was wrong, or when I really got angry! (and I have had some bad moments on CC!
) As I have said before here, if hard straight forward discussion offend a person, they had best not come on the BDF! On this thread you are interrelating with some of the best and most compassionate people on CC! (Of course I do not know all of them here!) Some of them will disagree with you about OSAS, but that doesn't mean they do not love, are just plain stubborn, or are bull-headed!
As I see it, the most fun I am going to have is when I get to glory and get to sit down with some of these on CC and have Peter and John and Paul explain to them the way of salvation more fully. The only worry I have about that is some of them are so unyielding in their views that I fear they may even convince Paul that OSAS is true! (But on the other hand, I plan to correct Paul if it turns out he believes in OSAS!)
Hey, that last paragraph is all in fun -- I had a lot of fun writing it!
Oh, also - at the beginning I said I would try "not to tell any lies" - well, I didn't - even in my second paragraph. But I would be lying if I said I didn't say some things in a way to get some others riled up a little!
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Maam, I have not interacted with you that much, so excuse for sticking my nose in - it sometimes gets too long - but I will try not to tell any lies, so that it does get any longer (like Pinochio's did - LOL!)
On the OSAS issue - I agree with you - I came here several years ago asking questions and trying to figure out what I really believed about salvation, the assurance of salvation, and how faith and works interrelated in the Christian walk. I asked questions, made statements, and had some very "hard-headed" (as I saw someone here "accused" me of being) discussions and debates with some unnamed champions of the eternal security doctrine. I have not seen a single verse that supports OSAS, not seen a single argument for it that holds any weight at all. In fact, I have seen so much of it and the deception and insecurity it breeds that it . . . well - enough said.
But, and here is what I want to say - I count of these who I have interrelated with and vehemently (and still do!) disagreed with some of my closest friends (if that can be said of people only on a forum). They love the Lord, serve Him, and show compassion and love and care for others that is deep, real, and exemplary. We have learned to disagree, and be able to bluntly tell one another so, and yet (for the most part) these friends have not resorted to name calling.
So, some of us did not come to CC as much to find Christian "fellowship" as to be able to discuss and learn from others who may disagree with the "sacred denominational doctrines" that most of us who are Protestants are taught. Any yet, in deep debates I have found love and fellowship, and have learned how to honestly admit when I was wrong, or when I really got angry! (and I have had some bad moments on CC!) As I have said before here, if hard straight forward discussion offend a person, they had best not come on the BDF!
On this thread you are interrelating with some of the best and most compassionate people on CC! (Of course I do not know all of them here!) Some of them will disagree with you about OSAS, but that doesn't mean they do not love, are just plain stubborn, or are bull-headed!
As I see it, the most fun I am going to have is when I get to glory and get to sit down with some of these on CC and have Peter and John and Paul explain to them the way of salvation more fully. The only worry I have about that is some of them are so unyielding in their views that I fear they may even convince Paul that OSAS is true! (But on the other hand, I plan to correct Paul if it turns out he believes in OSAS!)
Hey, that last paragraph is all in fun -- I had a lot of fun writing it!
Oh, also - at the beginning I said I would try "not to tell any lies" - well, I didn't - even in my second paragraph. But I would be lying if I said I didn't say some things in a way to get some others riled up a little!
On the OSAS issue - I agree with you - I came here several years ago asking questions and trying to figure out what I really believed about salvation, the assurance of salvation, and how faith and works interrelated in the Christian walk. I asked questions, made statements, and had some very "hard-headed" (as I saw someone here "accused" me of being) discussions and debates with some unnamed champions of the eternal security doctrine. I have not seen a single verse that supports OSAS, not seen a single argument for it that holds any weight at all. In fact, I have seen so much of it and the deception and insecurity it breeds that it . . . well - enough said.
But, and here is what I want to say - I count of these who I have interrelated with and vehemently (and still do!) disagreed with some of my closest friends (if that can be said of people only on a forum). They love the Lord, serve Him, and show compassion and love and care for others that is deep, real, and exemplary. We have learned to disagree, and be able to bluntly tell one another so, and yet (for the most part
) these friends have not resorted to name calling. So, some of us did not come to CC as much to find Christian "fellowship" as to be able to discuss and learn from others who may disagree with the "sacred denominational doctrines" that most of us who are Protestants are taught. Any yet, in deep debates I have found love and fellowship, and have learned how to honestly admit when I was wrong, or when I really got angry! (and I have had some bad moments on CC!
) As I have said before here, if hard straight forward discussion offend a person, they had best not come on the BDF! On this thread you are interrelating with some of the best and most compassionate people on CC! (Of course I do not know all of them here!) Some of them will disagree with you about OSAS, but that doesn't mean they do not love, are just plain stubborn, or are bull-headed!
As I see it, the most fun I am going to have is when I get to glory and get to sit down with some of these on CC and have Peter and John and Paul explain to them the way of salvation more fully. The only worry I have about that is some of them are so unyielding in their views that I fear they may even convince Paul that OSAS is true! (But on the other hand, I plan to correct Paul if it turns out he believes in OSAS!)
Hey, that last paragraph is all in fun -- I had a lot of fun writing it!
Oh, also - at the beginning I said I would try "not to tell any lies" - well, I didn't - even in my second paragraph. But I would be lying if I said I didn't say some things in a way to get some others riled up a little!
Well they may have not resorted to name calling with you but they have with me and others and are doing it right now in other threads......you are delusional,I just read. Light has NO fellowship with darkness. Good luck to you and thank you.
Maam, I have not interacted with you that much, so excuse for sticking my nose in - it sometimes gets too long - but I will try not to tell any lies, so that it does get any longer (like Pinochio's did - LOL!)
On the OSAS issue - I agree with you - I came here several years ago asking questions and trying to figure out what I really believed about salvation, the assurance of salvation, and how faith and works interrelated in the Christian walk. I asked questions, made statements, and had some very "hard-headed" (as I saw someone here "accused" me of being) discussions and debates with some unnamed champions of the eternal security doctrine. I have not seen a single verse that supports OSAS, not seen a single argument for it that holds any weight at all. In fact, I have seen so much of it and the deception and insecurity it breeds that it . . . well - enough said.
But, and here is what I want to say - I count of these who I have interrelated with and vehemently (and still do!) disagreed with some of my closest friends (if that can be said of people only on a forum). They love the Lord, serve Him, and show compassion and love and care for others that is deep, real, and exemplary. We have learned to disagree, and be able to bluntly tell one another so, and yet (for the most part) these friends have not resorted to name calling.
So, some of us did not come to CC as much to find Christian "fellowship" as to be able to discuss and learn from others who may disagree with the "sacred denominational doctrines" that most of us who are Protestants are taught. Any yet, in deep debates I have found love and fellowship, and have learned how to honestly admit when I was wrong, or when I really got angry! (and I have had some bad moments on CC!) As I have said before here, if hard straight forward discussion offend a person, they had best not come on the BDF!
On this thread you are interrelating with some of the best and most compassionate people on CC! (Of course I do not know all of them here!) Some of them will disagree with you about OSAS, but that doesn't mean they do not love, are just plain stubborn, or are bull-headed!
As I see it, the most fun I am going to have is when I get to glory and get to sit down with some of these on CC and have Peter and John and Paul explain to them the way of salvation more fully. The only worry I have about that is some of them are so unyielding in their views that I fear they may even convince Paul that OSAS is true! (But on the other hand, I plan to correct Paul if it turns out he believes in OSAS!)
Hey, that last paragraph is all in fun -- I had a lot of fun writing it!
Oh, also - at the beginning I said I would try "not to tell any lies" - well, I didn't - even in my second paragraph. But I would be lying if I said I didn't say some things in a way to get some others riled up a little!
On the OSAS issue - I agree with you - I came here several years ago asking questions and trying to figure out what I really believed about salvation, the assurance of salvation, and how faith and works interrelated in the Christian walk. I asked questions, made statements, and had some very "hard-headed" (as I saw someone here "accused" me of being) discussions and debates with some unnamed champions of the eternal security doctrine. I have not seen a single verse that supports OSAS, not seen a single argument for it that holds any weight at all. In fact, I have seen so much of it and the deception and insecurity it breeds that it . . . well - enough said.
But, and here is what I want to say - I count of these who I have interrelated with and vehemently (and still do!) disagreed with some of my closest friends (if that can be said of people only on a forum). They love the Lord, serve Him, and show compassion and love and care for others that is deep, real, and exemplary. We have learned to disagree, and be able to bluntly tell one another so, and yet (for the most part
) these friends have not resorted to name calling. So, some of us did not come to CC as much to find Christian "fellowship" as to be able to discuss and learn from others who may disagree with the "sacred denominational doctrines" that most of us who are Protestants are taught. Any yet, in deep debates I have found love and fellowship, and have learned how to honestly admit when I was wrong, or when I really got angry! (and I have had some bad moments on CC!
) As I have said before here, if hard straight forward discussion offend a person, they had best not come on the BDF! On this thread you are interrelating with some of the best and most compassionate people on CC! (Of course I do not know all of them here!) Some of them will disagree with you about OSAS, but that doesn't mean they do not love, are just plain stubborn, or are bull-headed!
As I see it, the most fun I am going to have is when I get to glory and get to sit down with some of these on CC and have Peter and John and Paul explain to them the way of salvation more fully. The only worry I have about that is some of them are so unyielding in their views that I fear they may even convince Paul that OSAS is true! (But on the other hand, I plan to correct Paul if it turns out he believes in OSAS!)
Hey, that last paragraph is all in fun -- I had a lot of fun writing it!
Oh, also - at the beginning I said I would try "not to tell any lies" - well, I didn't - even in my second paragraph. But I would be lying if I said I didn't say some things in a way to get some others riled up a little!
I will be the first to say "told ya so" in heaven...😏
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we both agree that the doctrine of OSAS is false - even though we RESPECT many people
that believe this -
the Proper Doctrine has to hold hand with the Proper Attitude, -
being right does not make us godly.,.
'for what does The Lord require of you'...
MICAH 6:8.
He has showed you, O man, what is good; and what doe The LORD require of you,
but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
anyone who has the nerve to condemn those that they don't agree with and to
burn their thought and doctrines in effigy, 'that's God's JOB and POSITION,
and not any human being...
we do not accept 'flitter' stirers'...
that believe this -
the Proper Doctrine has to hold hand with the Proper Attitude, -
being right does not make us godly.,.
'for what does The Lord require of you'...
MICAH 6:8.
He has showed you, O man, what is good; and what doe The LORD require of you,
but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
anyone who has the nerve to condemn those that they don't agree with and to
burn their thought and doctrines in effigy, 'that's God's JOB and POSITION,
and not any human being...
we do not accept 'flitter' stirers'...
Well....I've been here for a few years....
Seen maybe 3-5 agnostics.... not sure any are still active...
agnostic
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a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
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When BDF gets to be too much the best thing to do is take a break.
I get it, you are lashing out.... BDF is a tough place and not for the faint of heart, everyone is heavily invested in their own beliefs and this is to be expected.
OSAS aside, there is obviously too much emotion at play... those emotions will not subside or heal unless you distance yourself from the cause.
Just my experience .. take it or leave it but I do think it will help.
I get it, you are lashing out.... BDF is a tough place and not for the faint of heart, everyone is heavily invested in their own beliefs and this is to be expected.
OSAS aside, there is obviously too much emotion at play... those emotions will not subside or heal unless you distance yourself from the cause.
Just my experience .. take it or leave it but I do think it will help.
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