Once saved always saved? Or is salvation conditional on believing and following God's Word?

[FollowHisSteps]

Got to laugh. Members return, with a different account, and you can get this if you pm them.
Nobody is getting who they were, so give away part of their name, so they know you are not
a girl but a guy.

Even better. Some come to only one thread because there are the group of like minded gnostics
with their immortal spirits, needing sustenance from their fellow protagonists. And what do they
spend their time doing putting believers down over one small issue of faith taken to an extreme.

But unfortunately it is all counter productive. As one person demonstrated just reading the Word
of God spoken is so difficult they find it hard to get out of their mind. The clue is in not being able
to comprehend and see the ideas and facts being presented and know in your heart Jesus supplies
the solution. And the truth like religious folk of old, anger rises and their mind is set on attack or
running away. Jesus sees the enemy, knows them and plans ways of helping them see the light.

11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him
who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."
12 "Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done."
Rev 22

 

[OneOfHis]

Care to admit the old usernames you used to post under on CC?

If I start posting quotes I am sure more people will see why you hide behind a new mask.






Double talk.




(his two previous banned accounts I strongly suspect are PeterJens and LightLoveHope respectively... both of which have the same writing style and false works based doctrine, though the accusations and double talk became more subtle with each banned account)

(I believe the reason he will not admit to his previous accounts is because it would make it very easy to show his previous more blatant posts which attempt to condemn many brothers and sisters in Christ, outright lies and denial of them even after proven to be wrong with no apology or acknowledgement of his error)

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Care to admit the old usernames you used to post under on CC?
If I start posting quotes I am sure more people will see why you hide behind a new mask.
Double talk.
(his two previous banned accounts I strongly suspect are PeterJens and LightLoveHope respectively... both of which have the same writing style and false works based doctrine, though the accusations and double talk became more subtle with each banned account)

So your proposition is I am this individual. I am glad you have this conviction, may you find joy
and happiness it your time and energy.

But what is the point of this endeavour? To point out someone takes a similar approach?
To say you disagree with them?

Welcome to forums and the sharing of our faith.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Let's not derail this thread, ok?

OKAY..

 

[FollowHisSteps]

(I believe the reason he will not admit to his previous accounts is because it would make it very easy to show his previous more blatant posts which attempt to condemn many brothers and sisters in Christ, outright lies and denial of them even after proven to be wrong with no apology or acknowledgement of his error)

My friend, what are you referring to. Outright lies? A lie is an easy thing to prove. Something that is not true.
Show me this lie.
Something if proven, again is easy to show as it is proven.

What is clear is you sincerely believe these ideas. But what they are other than convictions and an inability to
show them, I am at a loss to see how I can help you

 

[OneOfHis]

My friend, what are you referring to. Outright lies? A lie is an easy thing to prove. Something that is not true.
Show me this lie.
Something if proven, again is easy to show as it is proven.

What is clear is you sincerely believe these ideas. But what they are other than convictions and an inability to
show them, I am at a loss to see how I can help you

Admit your previous accounts, and I will prove the lies of the accounts I named easily.

 

[OneOfHis]

Let's not derail this thread, ok?

OKAY..

sorry sis.... I have posted my last attempt to bring this one issue to light assuming my request will not be met again.

God bless you and thank you for the reproof.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Let's not derail this thread, ok?

OKAY..

Thank you for this intervention, but OneOfHis is trying to show how evil the opposition are.
It demonstrates the problem of discovering we are secure in Christ through the cross and
then making enemies of others.

It is like protestants coming out of the catholic church and then a civil war starting where
both sides did horrendous things to each other.

 

[mailmandan]

fyi.... the OP will not be responding.

Hemustincrease/3rdAngel/LoveGodForever was not fooling us.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Admit your previous accounts, and I will prove the lies of the accounts I named easily.

The problem is I do not know what you are talking about nor do I discuss such things,
other than scripture and faith. So unless you have things to actually share that is the end.

I remember yesterday EG talking about sin, and not admitting it, as if scripture is not specific
about sin and how it works, and how you confront people with sin, before the brethren.

As I have said before the accuser of the brethren continually tries to find evil to accuse them
of and fails, because Jesus keeps His people and walks with them, resolving and healing the
issues to hand.

Some wonder how I keep so calm and walk in the Lord as I do. It is called spiritual maturity,
and knowing who I am a servant to. Jesus Christ the risen saviour of the world, the only way
to the Father through repentance and faith shown by the fruit of good works and the Spirit.
Amen.

I praise God He is teaching me why each step, each word, each phrase matters and many hang
on the implications, more than can be imagined. God bless you.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Imagine a court of law, you the accused are accused of outright lies and denial of them.
Here is the charge sheet, empty.

Now if I went to court for slander I would win with these posts.
You are accused of being x and saying y with no evidence. Slander, defamation of character.
This behaviour is called sin. The sin is this
Bearing false witness against your neighbour.

And without evidence, without even presenting what is a lie, it is simply sinful behaviour.
And with this obvious declaration of sin, where is the repentance? Where is the I am sorry
I am bearing false witness?

Niave young people, not able to distinguish between an idea and facts, going public about
a proposition and thinking it is true. So is the essence of sin. We have desires, which if
fulfilled and acted on are sin, but the desires are innate within us, and have valid outlets,
if we have patience and control and let the Lord rule our hearts and bring love teach us.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Lying

Let your yes be yes and your no be no.
Everything in our faith is based on words. In fact our whole lives use words to describe
and deal with all our relationships and issues.

So lying and being accused of it is serious. Paul said liars will not inherit the Kingdom.
Integrity, truthfulness, honesty are our bedrock.

So it is with great distress some so easily accuse others of lying, deceiving, as if any follower
of Jesus would do such a thing, as this is regarded as sinful behaviour.

So it is shocking, in a real sense, to be accused of such a thing by another over something
undefined and nebulous. This whole approach has nothing to do with either Jesus, the
Holy Spirit or the gospel.

It is though a spirit of rebellion and defamation of loving people as evil deceivers sending
people to hell. It is clear these people are full of anger and vengeance, and in this idea they
do not see a fundamental failure of not being of Jesus or His work. No matter where I stand,
if this is my fruit, I have missed Gods will and way and need to repent and go back to the
foot of the cross and stay there until His will and way becomes clear. And I praise God, that
He will restore His grace and peace to all who do this, no matter where they come from.
Amen.

 

[OneOfHis]

Imagine a court of law, you the accused are accused of outright lies and denial of them.
Here is the charge sheet, empty.

Now if I went to court for slander I would win with these posts.
You are accused of being x and saying y with no evidence. Slander, defamation of character.
This behaviour is called sin. The sin is this
Bearing false witness against your neighbour.

And without evidence, without even presenting what is a lie, it is simply sinful behaviour.
And with this obvious declaration of sin, where is the repentance? Where is the I am sorry
I am bearing false witness?

Niave young people, not able to distinguish between an idea and facts, going public about
a proposition and thinking it is true. So is the essence of sin. We have desires, which if
fulfilled and acted on are sin, but the desires are innate within us, and have valid outlets,
if we have patience and control and let the Lord rule our hearts and bring love teach us.

I have asked you more than a dozen times if you posted under these user names. I did not say you are them, only that your doctrine is the same.


You even laughed at me originally....

I asked "are you be any chance this person who spoke like you did and got banned twice?"

you reply with something "Have I not said this is my only account?"

Then I say something like "Well coming from a sinless perfectionist background, one of the things done to justify ourselves is talk in a specific way to omit truth we would rather not admit.... I did not ask if this is your only current account, I asked if you ever used another account that was previously banned..."


you then laugh

post the sunglasses face

and never once answered me yes or no


you are not direct....

from my perspective you speak with guile... try to be cryptic

talk around questions rather than address them


then give yourself so much praise and double talk


first accusing others of saying "if you disagree with me you are false"

only later to say "if you disagree with me you disagree with Jesus"


You do not appear sincere to me...

If you were indeed peterjens

then we have shared many pms

...

you gave me rep points and encouragement for a false gospel when i was a works salvationist

if you are not this person who was banned multiple times

then i am sorry for me asking so many times


but i have never felt as if you answered me

even now

the "i dont know what youre talking about nor will i discuss"


feels to me the you dont know refers not to the accounts but the lies of that man who may not be you

and the nor will i discuss refers to wether or not you were ever under a previously banned account


again if i am wrong in this belief, not accusation

i am sorry

i really am

no one deserves imputed falsehoods


but... i am not sorry for addressing your errors in Gods word or when you double talk

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I have asked you more than a dozen times if you posted under these user names.

You need to get perspective. This is a forum, a place of sharing faith, bible verses, encouragement.
Some will come with many different approaches, experiences, backgrounds.

Use the grace God has given you, and just love those you meet.
God bless you

 

[FollowHisSteps]

By the way I am not here to know all the issues or ups and downs others have.
I will answer what I can, but time is limited as well as I have no obligations to do anything here.
I am just sharing my heart. God bless you

 

[OneOfHis]

You need to get perspective. This is a forum, a place of sharing faith, bible verses, encouragement.
Some will come with many different approaches, experiences, backgrounds.

Use the grace God has given you, and just love those you meet.
God bless you

I hope you know I do love you... even if you were the man who used to encourage me to march in the wrong direction.

No matter how we argue I truly want what's best for you.


I worry for you and have prayed for you.....

May you see exactly what God wants you to see

 

[OneOfHis]

I will answer what I can, but time is limited as well as I have no obligations to do anything here.

Then may I please ask one yes or no question?

No need for a long explination.... only a couple seconds...

two letter or three letters.



Have you ever had an account on christianchat that was banned?


Yes or no?

I will never ask again after this and I will believe what you say.

I know I would have told the truth even before I was delivered from my false understanding.

 

[OneOfHis]

I have not read every post in this thread.

But when people who do not believe in eternal security.... can I ask what you believe these verses to mean?






John 6:39-40
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Romans 8:38-39
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord

_______

1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Hebrews 10:39
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

 

[UnderGrace]

Then may I please ask one yes or no question?

No need for a long explination.... only a couple seconds...

two letter or three letters.



Have you ever had an account on christianchat that was banned?


Yes or no?

I will never ask again after this and I will believe what you say.

I know I would have told the truth even before I was delivered from my false understanding.

I admire your tenacity and desire for truth.... but rest assured as night follows day you will not get a straight forward response.

Interesting how the British "our" and "learnt" keep popping up from time to time.

A comparative linguistical analysis of the posts I am sure would give more truth than author.

 

[mailmandan]

Have you ever had an account on christianchat that was banned?

Yes or no?