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Smooth

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How old are you?!
I sometimes feel like i'm talking to an underage, the tantrums.
I'm not satan and if i have offended you, i'm sorry.
I know you think you mean well, but unfortunately the horrific truth of the matter is, you’re peddling heresy.
 

Noose

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calibob

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Anaheim, Cali.
You must have person he replied to on ignore (like alot of us do) thats why you could not see who he responded to (He responded to peter)
I looked but did not see it was to anyone I have on ignore.If it wasn't to me that's fine. I didn't say anything out of line. I don't recall anyone with the avatar name 'Peter'.
 

blue_ladybug

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Smooth

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A very sarcastic big mouthed individual who loves to push others around.
I’m not pushing anyone around. I’m defending the grace of God from what I deem are heretical views. There are times I call people out, but when I do it is almost never with the vitriol you deem it to be. I’m actually very nonchalant about it. Bugs Bunny-esq, if you will.
 

Noose

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Salvation is completely natural for God, in Whom we have our salvation.
2 Pet 1:5For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith virtue; and to virtue, knowledge; 6and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control,perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.

1 Cor 9:24Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way as to take the prize.25Everyone who competes in the games trains with strict discipline. They do it for a crown that is perishable, but we do it for a crown that is imperishable.
 

blue_ladybug

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2 Pet 1:5For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith virtue; and to virtue, knowledge; 6and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control,perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.

1 Cor 9:24Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way as to take the prize.25Everyone who competes in the games trains with strict discipline. They do it for a crown that is perishable, but we do it for a crown that is imperishable.

And Your Point Is.png ???
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I looked but did not see it was to anyone I have on ignore.If it wasn't to me that's fine. I didn't say anything out of line. I don't recall anyone with the avatar name 'Peter'.
Followhissteps is his current name, its his third
 

Noose

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Smooth

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You need to point that from the scripture not calling names.
You don’t listen otherwise! I only want the very best for you. One day soon you need to be quiet for once and LISTEN (to God).
 

blue_ladybug

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We did not love God, He loved us; while we were still sinners, He died for us. Love for one another is how we love God and it is in obedience to a command.
Faith is expressed through love and not the other way round.

Gal 5: 6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. All that matters is faith, expressed through love.
I have news for you. We are STILL sinners. Christians kill, smoke, swear and whore around, amongst other things.

Love for God leads to our faith and belief in Him. I'm sorry you don't believe that, but it's true..
 

BillG

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IMO it is based on fear and distrust. Some folks simply fail to grasp the fact that God is all-loving and completely trust worthy.
Been there.
Seen it, done it and bought the t-shirt (as we say over here)
Waiting for the 3 strikes and you are out.
Still struggle with it at times if I'm honest.

But to live in this constant fear and guilt just wears you down.
Makes you emotionally knackered and spiritually knackered.

But I say that this fewer and distrust must come from somewhere.

For me it comes from one four letter word. LOVE

Our understanding of love and experience of love and acceptance can and does shape our lives.

As a person who concept of love was shattered by life and teaching I was totally torn apart and broken when one day I was laid up with a back problem.

God asked me to spend some time with him.
I refused a few times (old frame of mind) as I was waiting for the third strike.
I could not come before God because my fear and guilt and condemnation overcame me.

Anyway I did open my Bible at Romans 5 as I felt led to.
Now that was a Biggie for me because it talks about peace.
I read it before and I did not have that peace.
I thought peace was no anxiety.

As I researched that I came to realise that the peace means no more war.
We have peace with God, no emnity as a result of sin.

So fast forward.
One verse led to the next and the next.
Starting with adultress women.

I ended up with

John 17:23
23 I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me.

Wow God loves me as much as he loves Jesus.
That's the same love from John 3:16.

It was like a silver bullet was shot into my heart with that verse on it.

It breaks my heart that many belivers that I say that to who are struggling totally reject it.

I have even had some say "Not true for me yet for others yes"
I then ask why.
Response is "Im not good enough"

It does not surprise me because I was that person and have to fight against that person.

It breaks my heart that people do not truly know the love God has for them and try to earn it.

We can't earn acceptance but if we know it we can walk in it.
 

blue_ladybug

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'Make effort'. Anywhere effort is being used means it is no longer natural.
So the effort you put into anything isn't natural? You put effort into getting out of bed, making coffee, chopping wood, etc..
 

Noose

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Matthew 11:28-30 is not a Command; it is an Invitation. The day you understand this is the day the weight of the world will be cast off from upon you in a microsecond.
A command ceases to be a command if the one issuing it, is the one fulfilling it or keeps it.
The law is no longer a law if the one issuing the law is the one to keep it.

A Father can issue a tough command to a son not try the abilities of the son but test his obedience. The Father can actually help the son keep the tough command in a manner that doesn't jeopardize the test for obedience- like as soon as the son is willing to do it at all cost, the father can change it to something lighter but obedience is the main thing. Refer to Abraham's case

But what the father can not do, is issue a command and then keep it himself, how will he know if the son is obedient?
 

Noose

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You don’t listen otherwise! I only want the very best for you. One day soon you need to be quiet for once and LISTEN (to God).
But if you call me satan, will i listen?!:cool:

One day is a good bet.

The difference between me and you is that i have been there once. I believed in all that and i'm not going back.
 

Noose

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So the effort you put into anything isn't natural? You put effort into getting out of bed, making coffee, chopping wood, etc..
No.
Natural is a steady decline, you need energy/effort to overcome that decline.
In the spiritual case, being in sin is the natural, we need effort to overcome it.