Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Hebrews 12
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Hebrews 12
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Hebrews 12
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
OH!!....My GOODNESS!!
WHAT???!! NOT Jesus?
IOW? If you are one of His? I guarantee, He'll let ya know!
One will either say "Thanks!" I needed that!"
Or?
Walk away mumbling and grumbling, and back talkin'.
Not saying you do any of these things!
Jez Sayin'!
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Hebrews 12
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Hebrews 12
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
OH!!....My GOODNESS!!WHAT???!! NOT Jesus?
IOW? If you are one of His? I guarantee, He'll let ya know!
One will either say "Thanks!" I needed that!"
Or?
Walk away mumbling and grumbling, and back talkin'.
Not saying you do any of these things!
Jez Sayin'!
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Hebrews 12
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Hebrews 12
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Hebrews 12
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? OH!!....My GOODNESS!!
WHAT???!! NOT Jesus?
IOW? If you are one of His? I guarantee, He'll let ya know!
One will either say "Thanks!" I needed that!"
Or?
Walk away mumbling and grumbling, and back talkin'.
Not saying you do any of these things!
Jez Sayin'!
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Hebrews 12
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Hebrews 12
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
OH!!....My GOODNESS!!WHAT???!! NOT Jesus?
IOW? If you are one of His? I guarantee, He'll let ya know!
One will either say "Thanks!" I needed that!"
Or?
Walk away mumbling and grumbling, and back talkin'.
Not saying you do any of these things!
Jez Sayin'!
Heb_6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
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Hebrews 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
Hebrews 9:2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
Divine Services as we see is part of the first covenant. As the Lamb of God will be the last sacrifice all the ordinances that went along with animal sacrifice and the duties of the priests just everything that had to do with the SHEDDING OF BLOOD, Jesus did on the Cross. Really good to know this thing to get a little bit more understanding of who God is and What He is about.
Hebrews 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
We know this veil was rent at 3:00 the exact time once a year that the High Priest was to go into the Holy of Holies. So we know that Jesus became our High Priest and rent the veil and now WE GO ourselves, not through someone else, but through the blood of the Lamb washing us clean, directly to God. So we know that that is not a part of the second covenant.
Hebrews 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden potthat had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
Hebrews 9:5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
Hebrews 9:6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
Hebrews 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
Hebrews 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Not till Jesus died could the 2nd be put in force. Blood is required. So all these things to would no longer be followed.
Hebrews 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Hebrews 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Read those to, we are listing things that will hang on the 2nd as love, but it is important to know them, in their place which is the past because this covenant no longer exists ONLY until the reformation. Once Jesus blood shed, once Jesus defeats death FOR US. Oh death where is thy sting? These are expired. Gone. Replaced. LIFE OF CHRIST HAS REPLACED Death. Love is sweeping up.
Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by His own blood He entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. His covenant couldn't come in until after His death. He gave us laws to follow Matt 5 has a couple. He gave commands to be followed.
Hebrews 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
No more Law of Moses, it could not do what needed to be done. It is gone. some almost 2000ys now
Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Offered up something of infinite value for the forgiveness of sins.
Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause He is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death,for the redemption of the transgressions that WERE UNDER THE FIRST TESTAMENT, THAT THEY which are called might receive THE PROMISE OF ETERNAL INHERITANCE. .
Jesus upon His death will go to all those who died under the law and offer them the same promise of eternal inheritance. GOD is Just.
Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Hebrews 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
Hebrews 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Hebrews 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
Hebrews 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
((((((((((((Hebrews 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these))))))))))))).
Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Hebrews 9:25 Nor yet that He should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; His blood of infinite value, need be shed only the once and that one time is more valuable that the Priests shedding the blood of animals continually
Hebrews 9:26 For then must He often have suffered since the foundation of the world but now once in the end of the world hath He appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
He is coming back ONE MORE TIME AS LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS, ON THE DAY OF VENGEANCE, WITH A ROD OF IRON AND THE DEAD WILL RESSURRECT THE THOSE WHO REMAIN AND ARE ALIVE SHALL BE CHANGED TO BE FOREVER WITH HIM AND SATAN SHALL BE BOUND FOR THOSE 1000 YRS AND WE WILL BE PRIESTS WITH HIM AND UPON US THE SECOND DEATH WILL HAVE NO EFFECT. AT THE END OF THAT DAY SATAN WILL BE LOOSED A SHORT TIME AND THEN THE THRONE OF GOD AND THE LAKE OF FIRE JUDGMENT WILL END ALL EVIL AND THE NEW CITY WILL COME AND ETERNAL LIFE SHALL BEGIN FOR THOSE WHO MADE IT PAST THE LAKE OF FIRE.
Hebrews 9:2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
Divine Services as we see is part of the first covenant. As the Lamb of God will be the last sacrifice all the ordinances that went along with animal sacrifice and the duties of the priests just everything that had to do with the SHEDDING OF BLOOD, Jesus did on the Cross. Really good to know this thing to get a little bit more understanding of who God is and What He is about.
Hebrews 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
We know this veil was rent at 3:00 the exact time once a year that the High Priest was to go into the Holy of Holies. So we know that Jesus became our High Priest and rent the veil and now WE GO ourselves, not through someone else, but through the blood of the Lamb washing us clean, directly to God. So we know that that is not a part of the second covenant.
Hebrews 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden potthat had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
Hebrews 9:5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
Hebrews 9:6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
Hebrews 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
Hebrews 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Not till Jesus died could the 2nd be put in force. Blood is required. So all these things to would no longer be followed.
Hebrews 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Hebrews 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Read those to, we are listing things that will hang on the 2nd as love, but it is important to know them, in their place which is the past because this covenant no longer exists ONLY until the reformation. Once Jesus blood shed, once Jesus defeats death FOR US. Oh death where is thy sting? These are expired. Gone. Replaced. LIFE OF CHRIST HAS REPLACED Death. Love is sweeping up.
Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by His own blood He entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. His covenant couldn't come in until after His death. He gave us laws to follow Matt 5 has a couple. He gave commands to be followed.
Hebrews 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
No more Law of Moses, it could not do what needed to be done. It is gone. some almost 2000ys now
Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Offered up something of infinite value for the forgiveness of sins.
Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause He is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death,for the redemption of the transgressions that WERE UNDER THE FIRST TESTAMENT, THAT THEY which are called might receive THE PROMISE OF ETERNAL INHERITANCE. .
Jesus upon His death will go to all those who died under the law and offer them the same promise of eternal inheritance. GOD is Just.
Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Hebrews 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
Hebrews 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Hebrews 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
Hebrews 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
((((((((((((Hebrews 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these))))))))))))).
Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Hebrews 9:25 Nor yet that He should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; His blood of infinite value, need be shed only the once and that one time is more valuable that the Priests shedding the blood of animals continually
Hebrews 9:26 For then must He often have suffered since the foundation of the world but now once in the end of the world hath He appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
He is coming back ONE MORE TIME AS LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS, ON THE DAY OF VENGEANCE, WITH A ROD OF IRON AND THE DEAD WILL RESSURRECT THE THOSE WHO REMAIN AND ARE ALIVE SHALL BE CHANGED TO BE FOREVER WITH HIM AND SATAN SHALL BE BOUND FOR THOSE 1000 YRS AND WE WILL BE PRIESTS WITH HIM AND UPON US THE SECOND DEATH WILL HAVE NO EFFECT. AT THE END OF THAT DAY SATAN WILL BE LOOSED A SHORT TIME AND THEN THE THRONE OF GOD AND THE LAKE OF FIRE JUDGMENT WILL END ALL EVIL AND THE NEW CITY WILL COME AND ETERNAL LIFE SHALL BEGIN FOR THOSE WHO MADE IT PAST THE LAKE OF FIRE.
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A post I made on another thread got me thinking about something regarding this thread. It may have been addressed before but,...
The council at Jerusalem determined that gentiles were not to eat meat with blood in it, not eat meat sacrificed to idols, and not to eat meat strangled.
These are dietary laws in the law of Moses aren't they?
This council was held after Paul was commissioned to be the apostle to the gentiles. They decided these dietary laws were to be followed but physical circumcision did not have to be. Paul didn't protest this decision.
Why wasn't the instruction to follow these dietary laws considered judaizing the gentiles or placing them back under bondage?
The council at Jerusalem determined that gentiles were not to eat meat with blood in it, not eat meat sacrificed to idols, and not to eat meat strangled.
These are dietary laws in the law of Moses aren't they?
This council was held after Paul was commissioned to be the apostle to the gentiles. They decided these dietary laws were to be followed but physical circumcision did not have to be. Paul didn't protest this decision.
Why wasn't the instruction to follow these dietary laws considered judaizing the gentiles or placing them back under bondage?
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Is that what the Complete Judaizers Version of the bible says?
This is what the real bible says;
Romans 8:5-7
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
The Carnal Mind is the enemy of God.
Not because it would never work towards trying to be obedient to its own understanding of Gods Law.
It doesn't have the ability to understand or be obedient to Gods Law. But the Carnal Mind surely thinks very highly of itself. It thinks it can be obedient to Gods Law in its own understanding and in its own strength.
In Fact, The Carnal Mind looks down on others for not working at the same things it does.
The Pharisee is a prime example of a person who is carnally minded. They thought they could be righteous by their deeds. They thought because they followed a bunch of agreed upon rules, based on "Gods Law", that made them righteous.
Now we have the New Pharisees that have made up New, Better Rules based upon their New and Better understanding of "Gods Law" and this is what makes them righteous. Not only in their own eyes but in the eyes of other Pharisees.
But where's that verse in Ezekiel that NayborBear posted? It was brilliant... I love it when legalists post scripture...
Ezekiel 13:22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
This is what the real bible says;
Romans 8:5-7
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
The Carnal Mind is the enemy of God.
Not because it would never work towards trying to be obedient to its own understanding of Gods Law.
It doesn't have the ability to understand or be obedient to Gods Law. But the Carnal Mind surely thinks very highly of itself. It thinks it can be obedient to Gods Law in its own understanding and in its own strength.
In Fact, The Carnal Mind looks down on others for not working at the same things it does.
The Pharisee is a prime example of a person who is carnally minded. They thought they could be righteous by their deeds. They thought because they followed a bunch of agreed upon rules, based on "Gods Law", that made them righteous.
Now we have the New Pharisees that have made up New, Better Rules based upon their New and Better understanding of "Gods Law" and this is what makes them righteous. Not only in their own eyes but in the eyes of other Pharisees.
But where's that verse in Ezekiel that NayborBear posted? It was brilliant... I love it when legalists post scripture...
Ezekiel 13:22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
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If you weren't a Judaizer why would you get so upset?
I would laugh if someone called me a Judaizer... I would say if someone who has completely died to the law and is instead alive to God by fully trusting in the Lord Jesus for 100% of his provision and blessing is a Judaizer then absolutely, Yes, I'm a Judaizer.
Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Can you say that you are dead to the law so you could live unto God?
I can. And I constantly show the legalists and judaizers the error of their twisting of scripture. Not for their benefit. Although I absolutely do hope it benefits them. But for the benefit of other real Christians that can understand what it is that I am trying to show.
I would laugh if someone called me a Judaizer... I would say if someone who has completely died to the law and is instead alive to God by fully trusting in the Lord Jesus for 100% of his provision and blessing is a Judaizer then absolutely, Yes, I'm a Judaizer.
Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Can you say that you are dead to the law so you could live unto God?
I can. And I constantly show the legalists and judaizers the error of their twisting of scripture. Not for their benefit. Although I absolutely do hope it benefits them. But for the benefit of other real Christians that can understand what it is that I am trying to show.
It probably was judaizing a little.
But to get them out from under the rest of the Yoke of the law it was probably a small price to pay.
They probably had to give the Pharisees who believed some small token, right? They couldn't just say "everything you believe and everything you do is wrong", right? Because they did believe in Christ. So part of what they believed and part of what they did was correct.
But to get them out from under the rest of the Yoke of the law it was probably a small price to pay.
They probably had to give the Pharisees who believed some small token, right? They couldn't just say "everything you believe and everything you do is wrong", right? Because they did believe in Christ. So part of what they believed and part of what they did was correct.
Please show where ^^this^^ is explained in scripture.
Can you show where ^^this^^ is explained in scripture re the carnal mind?
Can you show proof of ^^this^^ claim please?
Are the pharisees' agreed upon rules Yah's laws or their own agreed upon rules?
Who are the new pharisees today and what rules have they made up? And would establishing a new sabbath day that was never explicitly commanded by Yah or any apostle be an example of making up a new rule?
Can you show where ^^this^^ is explained in scripture re the carnal mind?
Can you show proof of ^^this^^ claim please?
Are the pharisees' agreed upon rules Yah's laws or their own agreed upon rules?
Who are the new pharisees today and what rules have they made up? And would establishing a new sabbath day that was never explicitly commanded by Yah or any apostle be an example of making up a new rule?
Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
I could continue to point out your error with scripture. I could continue to show who it is that is lying.
Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
I could continue to point out your error with scripture. I could continue to show who it is that is lying.
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The meeting was to discuss what gentiles were to follow. Proselytes. Converts to the faith. These weren't Jews. They weren't under any law at all to have to negotiate out of.
Why put them under any law? I thought when one law is broken that's the same as breaking the whole law and so being placed under any law is *complete* bondage and rejects Christ (galatians), right? So the elders are intentionally causing gentiles to stumble?
And why would leaders, elders of the faith, from whom the followers sought counsel because of a dispute between themselves, have to appease some followers who happened to be pharisees like Paul?
Why put them under any law? I thought when one law is broken that's the same as breaking the whole law and so being placed under any law is *complete* bondage and rejects Christ (galatians), right? So the elders are intentionally causing gentiles to stumble?
And why would leaders, elders of the faith, from whom the followers sought counsel because of a dispute between themselves, have to appease some followers who happened to be pharisees like Paul?
Grandpa said:
Not because it would never work towards trying to be obedient to its own understanding of Gods Law.
Romans 9
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Grandpa said:
It doesn't have the ability to understand or be obedient to Gods Law. But the Carnal Mind surely thinks very highly of itself. It thinks it can be obedient to Gods Law in its own understanding and in its own strength.
Romans 8:5-8
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Romans 7:14-15
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Not because it would never work towards trying to be obedient to its own understanding of Gods Law.
Romans 9
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Grandpa said:
It doesn't have the ability to understand or be obedient to Gods Law. But the Carnal Mind surely thinks very highly of itself. It thinks it can be obedient to Gods Law in its own understanding and in its own strength.
Romans 8:5-8
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Romans 7:14-15
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.