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Peter and Cornelius
Acts 10:42-48
42 And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead.
43 To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.”
The Holy Spirit Falls on the Gentiles
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word.
45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered,
47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.
Peter defends Gods grace
Acts 11:13-18
13 And he told us how he had seen an angel standing in his house, who said to him, ‘Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter,
14 who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved.’
15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning. 16 Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
17 If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?”
18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life.”
Acts 10:42-48
42 And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead.
43 To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.”
The Holy Spirit Falls on the Gentiles
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word.
45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered,
47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.
Peter defends Gods grace
Acts 11:13-18
13 And he told us how he had seen an angel standing in his house, who said to him, ‘Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter,
14 who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved.’
15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning. 16 Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
17 If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?”
18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life.”
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Not to be disagreeable, but Baptist history can be traced back to the time of Christ, much earlier than the 1600's Check out this chart by J.M. Carroll from his book "The Trail Of Blood."
THE TRAIL OF BLOOD CHART
by J. M. Carroll
EXPLANATION OF THE CHART
By DR. J. M. CARROLL
ILLUSTRATING the History of the Baptist Churches from the time of their founder, the Lord Jesus Christ, until the 20th Century.
1. The purpose of this book and chart is to show according to History that Baptists have an unbroken line of churches since Christ and have fulfilled His prophecy -- "I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT." In the irregular churches is clearly seen the growth of Catholicism and Protestantism. Baptists are not Protestants since they did not come out of the Catholic Church.
2. The numbers at the top and bottom represent 20 centuries. The first vertical line is A.D. 1, and the second, A.D. 100, and so on.
3. The horizontal lines at the bottom have between them the nicknames given to Baptists during the passing years and ages -- Novations, Montanists, Paulicians and Waldenses.
4. THE RED CIRCLES REPRESENT BAPTIST CHURCHES beginning with the first Church at Jerusalem, founded by Christ during His earthly ministry, and out of which came the churches of Judea, Antioch and others. The red indicates they were persecuted. In spite of the bitterest opposition and persecution Baptist Churches are found in every age. The first nickname given them was Christians, the next Ana-Baptists, and so on. You will notice that the dark ages are represented by a dark space. Even during this time you will notice a continual line of churches called Ana-Baptists. They were continually and bitterly persecuted even unto death by the Catholics. Near the first of the 16th Century the Ana was dropped and they were simply called Baptists.
5. THE BLACK CIRCLES REPRESENT CHURCHES INTO WHICH ERROR CAME AND ARE THEREFORE CALLED -- IRREGULAR CHURCHES. The first error was in church Government--Pastors assumed authority not given them by Christ. Pastors of larger churches claimed authority over other and smaller churches. Thus in the 3rd Century the Roman Hierarchy was established. The Emperor Constantine issued a call in 313 inviting all churches to send representatives to form a council. The red churches--that is Baptist Churches--refused the invitation but the irregular churches responded. The Emperor was made the head and thus the group of churches known as irregular churches became the State Church. The Emperor continued to head the churches until Leo II claimed authority as the successor of Peter. Thus is seen how the error in church Government developed into Popery. In the 16th Century the Protestant Churches began to come out of the Roman Catholic Church. They are called Protestants because they protested against the errors of Catholicism.
6. It was in the year 251 that Baptist Churches declared nonfellowship with the irregular churches. They refused to accept Baptism administered in infancy or for Salvation and thus came the oldest nickname--Ana-Baptists which means rebaptizers.
Copyrighted 1931 by Ashland Avenue Baptist Church, Lexington, Ky.
THE TRAIL OF BLOOD CHART
by J. M. Carroll
By DR. J. M. CARROLL
ILLUSTRATING the History of the Baptist Churches from the time of their founder, the Lord Jesus Christ, until the 20th Century.
1. The purpose of this book and chart is to show according to History that Baptists have an unbroken line of churches since Christ and have fulfilled His prophecy -- "I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT." In the irregular churches is clearly seen the growth of Catholicism and Protestantism. Baptists are not Protestants since they did not come out of the Catholic Church.
2. The numbers at the top and bottom represent 20 centuries. The first vertical line is A.D. 1, and the second, A.D. 100, and so on.
3. The horizontal lines at the bottom have between them the nicknames given to Baptists during the passing years and ages -- Novations, Montanists, Paulicians and Waldenses.
4. THE RED CIRCLES REPRESENT BAPTIST CHURCHES beginning with the first Church at Jerusalem, founded by Christ during His earthly ministry, and out of which came the churches of Judea, Antioch and others. The red indicates they were persecuted. In spite of the bitterest opposition and persecution Baptist Churches are found in every age. The first nickname given them was Christians, the next Ana-Baptists, and so on. You will notice that the dark ages are represented by a dark space. Even during this time you will notice a continual line of churches called Ana-Baptists. They were continually and bitterly persecuted even unto death by the Catholics. Near the first of the 16th Century the Ana was dropped and they were simply called Baptists.
5. THE BLACK CIRCLES REPRESENT CHURCHES INTO WHICH ERROR CAME AND ARE THEREFORE CALLED -- IRREGULAR CHURCHES. The first error was in church Government--Pastors assumed authority not given them by Christ. Pastors of larger churches claimed authority over other and smaller churches. Thus in the 3rd Century the Roman Hierarchy was established. The Emperor Constantine issued a call in 313 inviting all churches to send representatives to form a council. The red churches--that is Baptist Churches--refused the invitation but the irregular churches responded. The Emperor was made the head and thus the group of churches known as irregular churches became the State Church. The Emperor continued to head the churches until Leo II claimed authority as the successor of Peter. Thus is seen how the error in church Government developed into Popery. In the 16th Century the Protestant Churches began to come out of the Roman Catholic Church. They are called Protestants because they protested against the errors of Catholicism.
6. It was in the year 251 that Baptist Churches declared nonfellowship with the irregular churches. They refused to accept Baptism administered in infancy or for Salvation and thus came the oldest nickname--Ana-Baptists which means rebaptizers.
Copyrighted 1931 by Ashland Avenue Baptist Church, Lexington, Ky.
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With all due respect of the Baptist sect I would offer..
Unbroken line of the things seen is not a qualifier for hearing the gospel. Its what the faithless Jew sought after as the Catholics. We do not wrestles against flesh and blood and neither are we supported by that which Jesus says profits for nothing. We walk by faith not as if the kingdom did come by looking at things seen the temporal. that could lead to idol worship . The things seen standing in the Holy unseen place of faith of our father . Again even the Son of man refused to be part of that kind of abomination of desecration.
Unbroken line of the things seen is not a qualifier for hearing the gospel. Its what the faithless Jew sought after as the Catholics. We do not wrestles against flesh and blood and neither are we supported by that which Jesus says profits for nothing. We walk by faith not as if the kingdom did come by looking at things seen the temporal. that could lead to idol worship . The things seen standing in the Holy unseen place of faith of our father . Again even the Son of man refused to be part of that kind of abomination of desecration.
My time in anabaptist churchs, baptism was always the sign of a living faith in the believer, rather
than christening of babies, by which the sacramental view was they were not in the church so if
they died they would not go to hell if not christened.
It is easy to project christening to be the extension of baptism for the forgiveness of sins is not
automatic to children of a believing parent unless the ceremony is performed, though Paul declares
the child will be Holy because of the believing parent.
Baptists have always been a congregation of believers, who have faith in Christ, declared through baptism
as conformation of this faith. As this view of faith was none sacramental to suggest they believed in
a sacramental view misses their point.
Equally breaking of bread, is bread and grape juice, which is not a wafer and wine, because the symbols
are symbols and not the real blood and body of christ which parts of the church still believe it actually
is.
than christening of babies, by which the sacramental view was they were not in the church so if
they died they would not go to hell if not christened.
It is easy to project christening to be the extension of baptism for the forgiveness of sins is not
automatic to children of a believing parent unless the ceremony is performed, though Paul declares
the child will be Holy because of the believing parent.
Baptists have always been a congregation of believers, who have faith in Christ, declared through baptism
as conformation of this faith. As this view of faith was none sacramental to suggest they believed in
a sacramental view misses their point.
Equally breaking of bread, is bread and grape juice, which is not a wafer and wine, because the symbols
are symbols and not the real blood and body of christ which parts of the church still believe it actually
is.
I went to an Anglican church.
Baptism was a sprinkling of water over my head.
Before they did that I was asked why I wanted to be baptised?
My response was "Because I believe in Jesus, the son of God who died and rose again and I want to be like him"
A few years later when I went to college to study accountancy I ended up in a Baptist Church.
I wont go into the details but was housed in a non Christian family, given 5 days notice to get out and ended up in a family who used to accommodate students but no longer did.
But I did not know that neither the college.
So I knocked on the door, a man opens it.
Tells me to come back later to speak to his wife.
That I did.
She said "We are not taking students anymore"
I walked away but as I did she asked me to come back.
An hour later I had a safe place to go.
She said that God told her to take me in.
The husband was an elder of the church. A Baptist church.
Was going to the church and another elder asked if I was baptised.
I said yes and he asked by what mode.
I told him and he responded that my sprinkling was not a valid mode.
I needed to be fully emersed.
It seemed to me that my confession of faith was not enough in front a few hundred people who were asked to pray for me and continue to do so.
And I knew there were many prayer warriors in this staid Anglican church.
Anyway I felt so bad so guilty in this Baptist church.
My genuine belief meant nothing and I was not saved.
Baptism was a sprinkling of water over my head.
Before they did that I was asked why I wanted to be baptised?
My response was "Because I believe in Jesus, the son of God who died and rose again and I want to be like him"
A few years later when I went to college to study accountancy I ended up in a Baptist Church.
I wont go into the details but was housed in a non Christian family, given 5 days notice to get out and ended up in a family who used to accommodate students but no longer did.
But I did not know that neither the college.
So I knocked on the door, a man opens it.
Tells me to come back later to speak to his wife.
That I did.
She said "We are not taking students anymore"
I walked away but as I did she asked me to come back.
An hour later I had a safe place to go.
She said that God told her to take me in.
The husband was an elder of the church. A Baptist church.
Was going to the church and another elder asked if I was baptised.
I said yes and he asked by what mode.
I told him and he responded that my sprinkling was not a valid mode.
I needed to be fully emersed.
It seemed to me that my confession of faith was not enough in front a few hundred people who were asked to pray for me and continue to do so.
And I knew there were many prayer warriors in this staid Anglican church.
Anyway I felt so bad so guilty in this Baptist church.
My genuine belief meant nothing and I was not saved.
What were you embarassed for?
He was correct on the baptism...it is biblical see it here;
Mark 1:4 tells us that baptism is for the remission of sins....."John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."
Acts 2; 38-40.... Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost....."save yourself".
Acts 22;16..... (Saul required to be baptized)...."And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."
Matt.3;11...
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit [] and fire.
Matt 3;14,15... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fullfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
Matt., 28: 18-20... And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Mark 16;16... He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
I Peter 3;21....... The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
John 3:5.... Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Gal 3;26-27..... For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ
Acts 2: 38-40.... Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the [a]remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this [b]perverse generation
Acts 9; 14,15,16,18..... And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Acts 8:12...... But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Acts 19:5-6..... When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Rom. 6;3,4...know ye not,that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 ....Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: like Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
There are more.
But, if you don't accept these of G-d's word no others will help you, probably.
When all other man made books fail...seek proper guidance from the Bible....(before is highly recommended).
He was correct on the baptism...it is biblical see it here;
Mark 1:4 tells us that baptism is for the remission of sins....."John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."
Acts 2; 38-40.... Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost....."save yourself".
Acts 22;16..... (Saul required to be baptized)...."And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."
Matt.3;11...
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit [] and fire.
Matt 3;14,15... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fullfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
Matt., 28: 18-20... And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Mark 16;16... He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
I Peter 3;21....... The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
John 3:5.... Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Gal 3;26-27..... For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ
Acts 2: 38-40.... Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the [a]remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this [b]perverse generation
Acts 9; 14,15,16,18..... And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Acts 8:12...... But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Acts 19:5-6..... When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Rom. 6;3,4...know ye not,that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 ....Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: like Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
There are more.
But, if you don't accept these of G-d's word no others will help you, probably.
When all other man made books fail...seek proper guidance from the Bible....(before is highly recommended).
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So my confession of faith before the Anlgican mode of Baptism meant nothing?
I wasn't actually saved by my confession and
Romans 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
BTW where did I say I was embarrassed?
I wasn't actually saved by my confession and
Romans 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
BTW where did I say I was embarrassed?
Not to be disagreeable, but Baptist history can be traced back to the time of Christ, much earlier than the 1600's Check out this chart by J.M. Carroll from his book "The Trail Of Blood."
THE TRAIL OF BLOOD CHART
by J. M. Carroll
EXPLANATION OF THE CHART
By DR. J. M. CARROLL
ILLUSTRATING the History of the Baptist Churches from the time of their founder, the Lord Jesus Christ, until the 20th Century.
1. The purpose of this book and chart is to show according to History that Baptists have an unbroken line of churches since Christ and have fulfilled His prophecy -- "I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT." In the irregular churches is clearly seen the growth of Catholicism and Protestantism. Baptists are not Protestants since they did not come out of the Catholic Church.
2. The numbers at the top and bottom represent 20 centuries. The first vertical line is A.D. 1, and the second, A.D. 100, and so on.
3. The horizontal lines at the bottom have between them the nicknames given to Baptists during the passing years and ages -- Novations, Montanists, Paulicians and Waldenses.
4. THE RED CIRCLES REPRESENT BAPTIST CHURCHES beginning with the first Church at Jerusalem, founded by Christ during His earthly ministry, and out of which came the churches of Judea, Antioch and others. The red indicates they were persecuted. In spite of the bitterest opposition and persecution Baptist Churches are found in every age. The first nickname given them was Christians, the next Ana-Baptists, and so on. You will notice that the dark ages are represented by a dark space. Even during this time you will notice a continual line of churches called Ana-Baptists. They were continually and bitterly persecuted even unto death by the Catholics. Near the first of the 16th Century the Ana was dropped and they were simply called Baptists.
5. THE BLACK CIRCLES REPRESENT CHURCHES INTO WHICH ERROR CAME AND ARE THEREFORE CALLED -- IRREGULAR CHURCHES. The first error was in church Government--Pastors assumed authority not given them by Christ. Pastors of larger churches claimed authority over other and smaller churches. Thus in the 3rd Century the Roman Hierarchy was established. The Emperor Constantine issued a call in 313 inviting all churches to send representatives to form a council. The red churches--that is Baptist Churches--refused the invitation but the irregular churches responded. The Emperor was made the head and thus the group of churches known as irregular churches became the State Church. The Emperor continued to head the churches until Leo II claimed authority as the successor of Peter. Thus is seen how the error in church Government developed into Popery. In the 16th Century the Protestant Churches began to come out of the Roman Catholic Church. They are called Protestants because they protested against the errors of Catholicism.
6. It was in the year 251 that Baptist Churches declared nonfellowship with the irregular churches. They refused to accept Baptism administered in infancy or for Salvation and thus came the oldest nickname--Ana-Baptists which means rebaptizers.
Copyrighted 1931 by Ashland Avenue Baptist Church, Lexington, Ky.
THE TRAIL OF BLOOD CHART
by J. M. Carroll
By DR. J. M. CARROLL
ILLUSTRATING the History of the Baptist Churches from the time of their founder, the Lord Jesus Christ, until the 20th Century.
1. The purpose of this book and chart is to show according to History that Baptists have an unbroken line of churches since Christ and have fulfilled His prophecy -- "I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT." In the irregular churches is clearly seen the growth of Catholicism and Protestantism. Baptists are not Protestants since they did not come out of the Catholic Church.
2. The numbers at the top and bottom represent 20 centuries. The first vertical line is A.D. 1, and the second, A.D. 100, and so on.
3. The horizontal lines at the bottom have between them the nicknames given to Baptists during the passing years and ages -- Novations, Montanists, Paulicians and Waldenses.
4. THE RED CIRCLES REPRESENT BAPTIST CHURCHES beginning with the first Church at Jerusalem, founded by Christ during His earthly ministry, and out of which came the churches of Judea, Antioch and others. The red indicates they were persecuted. In spite of the bitterest opposition and persecution Baptist Churches are found in every age. The first nickname given them was Christians, the next Ana-Baptists, and so on. You will notice that the dark ages are represented by a dark space. Even during this time you will notice a continual line of churches called Ana-Baptists. They were continually and bitterly persecuted even unto death by the Catholics. Near the first of the 16th Century the Ana was dropped and they were simply called Baptists.
5. THE BLACK CIRCLES REPRESENT CHURCHES INTO WHICH ERROR CAME AND ARE THEREFORE CALLED -- IRREGULAR CHURCHES. The first error was in church Government--Pastors assumed authority not given them by Christ. Pastors of larger churches claimed authority over other and smaller churches. Thus in the 3rd Century the Roman Hierarchy was established. The Emperor Constantine issued a call in 313 inviting all churches to send representatives to form a council. The red churches--that is Baptist Churches--refused the invitation but the irregular churches responded. The Emperor was made the head and thus the group of churches known as irregular churches became the State Church. The Emperor continued to head the churches until Leo II claimed authority as the successor of Peter. Thus is seen how the error in church Government developed into Popery. In the 16th Century the Protestant Churches began to come out of the Roman Catholic Church. They are called Protestants because they protested against the errors of Catholicism.
6. It was in the year 251 that Baptist Churches declared nonfellowship with the irregular churches. They refused to accept Baptism administered in infancy or for Salvation and thus came the oldest nickname--Ana-Baptists which means rebaptizers.
Copyrighted 1931 by Ashland Avenue Baptist Church, Lexington, Ky.
Sad to say, many have differing views on almost everything.
Baptist, brethren all tend towards full immersion as the legitimate declaration.
Turns out the early church was not that fussed, it was the ceremony that mattered not
the details of the amount of water etc.
I have never gone to a strict and particular baptist church, but I am sure I would not be
good enough for them. I have alcohol in the home, and allow my kids to mix with non-believers.
What I care about is honouring Jesus and His word. God bless you, and I pray you may forgive
the more miss guided people of God for their strict convictions.
Baptist, brethren all tend towards full immersion as the legitimate declaration.
Turns out the early church was not that fussed, it was the ceremony that mattered not
the details of the amount of water etc.
I have never gone to a strict and particular baptist church, but I am sure I would not be
good enough for them. I have alcohol in the home, and allow my kids to mix with non-believers.
What I care about is honouring Jesus and His word. God bless you, and I pray you may forgive
the more miss guided people of God for their strict convictions.
I'm not aware that Baptist churches, in a general sense, have changed their views on baptism any time in recent history.
It's also possible I'm just wrong on this... I'm not an historian.
Although this topic might be really interesting to someone, I can't see it as creating any kind of a problem.
If someone wants to be in a church where they view baptism differently,
then they can just join a church where they view baptism differently.
So although this may be interesting, I can't see it creates any kind of personal dilemma.
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It's also possible I'm just wrong on this... I'm not an historian.
Although this topic might be really interesting to someone, I can't see it as creating any kind of a problem.
If someone wants to be in a church where they view baptism differently,
then they can just join a church where they view baptism differently.
So although this may be interesting, I can't see it creates any kind of personal dilemma.
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Repentance is different than baptism. Repentance is done first then baptism must occur.
The above concerns repentance.
After repentance, baptism and committed to a righteous life we are then...born again. We are not saved until after death when G-d judges us and awards....eternal salvation...saved...forever.
WOW...never mind what one wants...what does G-d's word say? In this instance it says...baptism is required. If you affiliate with a man made organization, denomination which says baptism is not required....you have associated yourself with the wrong group....get out immediately.
The above concerns repentance.
After repentance, baptism and committed to a righteous life we are then...born again. We are not saved until after death when G-d judges us and awards....eternal salvation...saved...forever.
WOW...never mind what one wants...what does G-d's word say? In this instance it says...baptism is required. If you affiliate with a man made organization, denomination which says baptism is not required....you have associated yourself with the wrong group....get out immediately.
If people in Baptist churches believed they were doing something wrong, then I'm sure they WOULD get out immediately.
But within Christendom, different denominations have an ongoing disagreement about whether or not salvation is contingent upon getting dunked in a barrel of water.
There are some scriptures which seem to imply it is, and some scriptures which seem to imply it is not.
Many of us believe it is not.
If you present scriptures to support your case, I can present scriptures to show the opposite.
Personally, I just get tired of arguing about it.
If you don't feel we have enough threads arguing about baptism,
and you want to create one more...
that's fine with me.
God Bless.
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But within Christendom, different denominations have an ongoing disagreement about whether or not salvation is contingent upon getting dunked in a barrel of water.
There are some scriptures which seem to imply it is, and some scriptures which seem to imply it is not.
Many of us believe it is not.
If you present scriptures to support your case, I can present scriptures to show the opposite.
Personally, I just get tired of arguing about it.
If you don't feel we have enough threads arguing about baptism,
and you want to create one more...
that's fine with me.
God Bless.
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