Twinkling of an eye

Wall · Aug 10, 2019

Wall said:

So if the bride is Israel, wheres that leave the gentiles?

MATTHEW [24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Ya see what Jesus said

JOHN 10 [14] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. [15] As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. [16] And OTHER SHEEP I HAVE, WHICH ARE NOT OF THIS FOLD: THEM ALSO I MUST BRING, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and ONE SHEPHERD.

I MUST BRING! Jesus said there were “others” not of the fold of the house of Israel. These “others” are the gentiles that hear His voice. Them also He will bring.... Bring where? Bring to heaven as the raptuist claim? Nope. At the time when Jesus does bring us we will have but ONE SHEPHERD.

EZEKIEL 37 [21] And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will GATHER THEM on every side, and BRING THEM INTO THEIR OWN LAND: [22]And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: [23] Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. [24] And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have ONE SHEPHERD: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. [25] And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever. [26] Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. [27] My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.

Jesus gathers His people {in the twinkling of an eye} and BRINGS them to Israel, to the kingdom. We will have but ONE SHEPHERD

ZECHARIAH 8 [7] Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country; [8] And I will BRING THEM, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD {Zeke37v27}, in truth and in righteousness

The kingdom rest will be in the midst of Jerusalem

ISAIAH 56 [6] Also THE SONS OF THE STRANGER, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one THAT KEEPETH THE SABBATH from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; [7] EVEN THEM WILL I BRING TO MY HOLY MOUNTAIN, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. [8] The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, YET WILL I GATHER OTHERS TO HIM, beside those that are gathered unto him.

Jesus brings them to His Holy Mountain. The kingdom rest. Yes, the “others” {John 10v16} {Isaiah 56v8} are the gentiles. So when the LAST TRUMPET {1Cor.15} sounds we meet the Lord in the air and Jesus “brings” us to His holy mountain in Jerusalem for the kingdom rest. Not off to heaven as the Rapturist claim.

Wall · Aug 10, 2019

We gentiles are not only "others" we are also "strangers"

EPHES. 2 [11] Wherefore remember, that ye being IN TIME PAST GENTILES in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and STRANGERS FROM THE COVE-NANTS OF PROMISE, having no hope, and without God in the world: [13] BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

We were once strangers from Gods covenants of promise, having no hope. BUT NOW in Christ, should we take hold of those covenants, we have hope

ISAIAH 56 [6] Also the sons of THE STRANGER, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one THAT KEEPETH THE SABBATH from polluting it, and TAKETH HOLD OF MY COVENANT; [7] EVEN THEM WILL I BRING TO MY HOLY MOUNTAIN, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; FOR MINE HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED AN HOUSE OF PRAYER FOR ALL PEOPLE.

Even them (us gentile strangers mentioned in Ephes.2) will He bring to His holy mountain, if we should take hold of His sabbath covenant. Jesus will bring us to the 1000yr period of rest. His house will be a house of prayer for ALL people....Not just the house of Israel

ISAIAH 14 [1] For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet CHOOSE ISRAEL, AND SET THEM IN THEIR OWN LAND: AND THE STRANGERS SHALL BE JOINED WITH THEM, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. [2] And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors. [3] And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve, [4] That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! [5] The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. [6] He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. [7] THE WHOLE EARTH IS AT REST, AND IS QUIET: THEY BREAK FORTH INTO SINGING.

Again, God will gather Israel {in the twinkling of an eye}and some STANGERS with them

garee · Aug 10, 2019

It would appear that you are attempting to sell a false zeal for knowing God. One called a "law of the fathers" as oral traditions of men or commandments of men.

Big world of difference between walking or understanding by the things of God not seen. . . by faith.(the unseen Holy place of God). And the temporal things seen walking or understanding by what the eyes see.

It would seem you have that backward as if the kingdom of God was here. The faithless Jew is known for that. Still hoping their flesh (what the eyes see) could profit for something.....?

The bride is the new creature. She is neither male nor female, Jew nor Gentile. The kingdom of God is not of this world never was never will be.

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

The earthly Jerusalem the temporal is used as a metaphor for the new Jerusalem the actual .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Study what it means to "walk by faith" and you will then not have to carry out its faithless desires and deeds .... as recorded in 1 John 2.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

garee · Aug 10, 2019

We were strangers just as was Abram (no faith coming from God not seen) .His mother a Hittite and father a Amorite before he was called by faith the unseen .His name was changed to reflect our one Holy unseen Father in heaven Abraham. . .a word meaning; "The Father of a multitude of nations" ...where we get the word "denominations" . (portions of the whole). God is not the Father of the Jewish nation exclusively . is so it would of remained Abram and not Abraham.

The gospel is not after the things seen the temporal .But is after the things not seen. . . . the eternal

Not strangers from the flesh of a Jew but strangers from the promises of God who is not a man as us. Jesus said his corrupted flesh profits for nothing. It would seem you are hoping in the flesh rather than walking by faith .

Wall · Aug 10, 2019

garee said:

Do you have that zeal for knowing God?

1JOHN2 [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.[4] He that saith, i know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Tell the truth now. Do you observe to keep His 10 commandments?

KJV1611 · Aug 10, 2019

Wall said:

Do you have that zeal for knowing God?

1JOHN2 [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.[4] He that saith, i know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Tell the truth now. Do you observe to keep His 10 commandments?

Keeping them means holding them close to your heart.

garee · Aug 10, 2019

Wall said:

Yes I guard them with all my new heart soul and mind by the armor faith .It as it is written defends us.

No man could keep them perfectly if they did not have Christ working in them to both will and do His good pleasure.

He must increase we must decrease.

Ahwatukee · Aug 11, 2019

Wall said:

Hello Wall,

Just FYI, why do think the commandments that Jesus is talking about is referring to the ten commandments, which is the law? Below are the commands that Jesus was talking about:

"And this is his commandment: We must believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as he commanded us."

Attempting to keep the ten commandments or any of the other 600 laws given through Moses as a requirement for salvation will never save anyone. Jesus already kept the law, satisfying completely on behalf of every believer. We are under a new covenant following the Lord and led by the Holy Spirit. As we continue from faith to faith we are being transformed into His image. We can never be saved by performing the works of the law.

Trusting in Christ as the One who provided salvation for us is how we are saved and not by our own efforts. Everything else is sanctification, i.e. the process of being made holy, which is a life-long process.

preston39 · Aug 11, 2019

Ahwatukee said:

You are wrong....what a crock.

Christ death on the cross made forgiveness by grace available. In no way did it replace the scriptural direction for you and I to obey the laws of righteousness. Scripture tells us :...."sacrifice for forgiveness is not available where sin is present".
You are buying into .....new age religion teachings ........of which your belief here did not exist in popularity before 1960...think about it.

Further, why does scripture tell us to ....put on the coat of armor daily.
Why does the Lord's prayer include.....forgive us of our trespasses ....
Why does G-d not limit the number of time we can ask for forgiveness
Why does scripture tell us to....maintain (righteousness) until the end (death)...
Why
Why
Why.

There are many scriptures which refutes your thinking.

Absolutely · Aug 11, 2019

preston39 said:

The law has zero to do with the new birth.
The law is "inferior" in that it points out sin.
It CANNOT cleanse.
The law is mental obedience
The rebirth is a spirit matter.

Awatukee is more or less right because the saving of the soul is outside the law.
I keep the law indirectly,in that not only does the one that wrote it live in me,but the new heart at rebirth lives in obedience. I have,or take on his nature.
I am a new creation.
Of course the law stands.
I just need not a copy of it to gain anything by a striving to a law checklist. I have them in my heart.

That is why Jesus ADDED to them.
Now even my thoughts are 'judging me,not only the outward symptoms the law exposes

preston39 · Aug 11, 2019

Absolutely said:

The law has zero to do with the new birth.
The law is "inferior" in that it points out sin.
It CANNOT cleanse.
The law is mental obedience
The rebirth is a spirit matter.

Awatukee is more or less right because the saving of the soul is outside the law.
I keep the law indirectly,in that not only does the one that wrote it live in me,but the new heart at rebirth lives in obedience. I have,or take on his nature.
I am a new creation.
Of course the law stands.
I just need not a copy of it to gain anything by a striving to a law checklist. I have them in my heart.

That is why Jesus ADDED to them.
Now even my thoughts are 'judging me,not only the outward symptoms the law exposes

Don't consider yourself different.
You are wrong also, per the Bible.

garee · Aug 11, 2019

preston39 said:

It made grace avaialible as Christ's finished work of faith or called a labor of love . Not something we work to gain .We are saved by the faith of Christ. . . the imputed righteousness of God .

It is he as the witness of faith that works in us to both will and do his good pleasure again as a imputed righteousness. He says we should believe without grumbling and disputing.

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

preston39 · Aug 11, 2019

garee said:

It made grace avaialible as Christ's finished work of faith or called a labor of love . Not something we work to gain .We are saved by the faith of Christ. . . the imputed righteousness of God .

It is he as the witness of faith that works in us to both will and do his good pleasure again as a imputed righteousness. He says we should believe without grumbling and disputing.

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Stop trying to spin it.
Who talked about ...work...?

posthuman · Aug 11, 2019

preston39 said:

*ahem* correction:

Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.
(Hebrews 10:18)

preston39 · Aug 11, 2019

posthuman said:

No correction.......that's 1611 KJV scripture.

posthuman · Aug 11, 2019

preston39 said:

he did not say 'scriptural direction to obey righteousness has been replaced'

he said trying to keep the law, whether some selected portion of it or whether all of it, for salvation, will not save anyone.

if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
(Galatians 3:21)

posthuman · Aug 11, 2019

preston39 said:

i realize you reject correction, but you are quite wrong about what scripture says. literally wrong.

Now, where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sinne.

(Hebrews 10:18 1611 KJV)

garee · Aug 11, 2019

Absolutely said:

Rather than the saving of the soul is outside the law. I would offer it is in the combining of two laws making one new Perfect Law. The two become one. The law as to the letter, the temporal as that seen that kills or governs the morals of men . And the law of faith not seen the eternal that heals and creates as a work of the Spirit.

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Together Christ having satisfied the just demands of the law and his reward the grace he freely gives to us simple ones . . . . . His understanding..

The perfect law or perfecting . . . . law of grace performing his works in us as we are yoked with Him .

The works it works in us...

Psalm 19:6-8 King James Version (KJV) His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

garee · Aug 11, 2019

preston39 said:

You said it made grace available. Not grace freely given.

grace available.= Catholicism

posthuman · Aug 11, 2019

preston39 said:

they changed a lot of the Bible in 1611. no idea why people idolize a translation.

if antiquity and tradition are what impresses you, here's 1587 Geneva version, the Bible the Puritans brought with them to America:

For with one offering hath he consecrated forever them that are sanctified.

For the holy Ghost also beareth us record: for after that he had said before,

This is the Testament that I will make unto them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my Laws in their heart, and in their minds I will write them.

And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Now where remission of these things is, there is no more offering for sin.

Seeing therefore, brethren, that by the blood of Jesus we may be bold to enter into the Holy place,

By the new and living way, which he hath prepared for us, through the veil, that is, his flesh:

And seeing we have an high Priest, which is over the house of God,

Let us draw near with a true heart in assurance of faith, our hearts being pure from an evil conscience,

And washed in our bodies with pure water, let us keep the profession of our hope, without wavering, (for he is faithful that promised.)
(Hebrews 10:14-23)

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