Death is thrown into the lake of fire after G-d's judgement, which is after the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth....not at the....twinkling of an eye....the rapture.
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Death is thrown into the lake of fire after G-d's judgement, which is after the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth....not at the....twinkling of an eye....the rapture.
No literal thousand years in the signified language of Revelation. The literal thousand years ended almost two thousand years ago. The last days leasing to the last day(end of time) began counting down when the veil was rent .The time of reformation had come.
The end timing is the "last day" The thousand years is a metaphor used in that parable .Thousand through out the Bible according to its signified language is used that way to represent an a unrevealed of what so ever is in view to include a time element. We walk by faith >Christ will come like a thief in the night on the last day.
We must compare the spiritual unseen understanding to the spiritual .Not the temporal to the temporal. Time ends on the last day .It as the corrupted time keeper of death. . . is thrown into the lake of fire .
Then we just have a basic disagreement of scripture. Except, I have the Bible specifics which I base all references on....not opinion.
Revelation is not the only book of the Bible in application here.
yes it is not the only book that uses the word "thousand" as the signified language of parables is used as a metaphor in parables. There are many refences that use the word thousand to represent a unknown (not revealed)
We base our opinions (heresies) as private interpretations on what we believe his written law teaches, following the loving commandment to seek his approval .
Revelation is the last chapter of the Bible. What applies to Revelation applies to the whole or perfect .( not in part). We cannot know the plagues that are written in the book unless we compares it to everything written. . beginning in Genesis.
How many of those times [and where in Scripture] is the word "years" used in connection with that word?
And how many time does the word "years" (used with any given number, in connection with it, in Scripture) not mean "[that many] years"? ["______ years"]
And since the passage in Revelation [re: the stated years] ALSO correlates precisely with what Isaiah 24:21-22[23] says (regarding the sequential issues, in the TWO "PUNISH" words separated [TIME-WISE] from each other by a time period, and the FIRST of these TWO "PUNISH" words aligns with the events of Rev19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5 [at the time of His Second Coming to the earth], and is FOLLOWED by a TIME-PERIOD [even in BOTH passages]), there is more to look at than merely this one passage in Rev20.
(To add to that, Daniel 7:25,27 supplies the same time period leading UP TO His Second Coming to the earth, and says that what FOLLOWS that specific limited time period [in v.25] is: "the greatness of the kingdom UNDER the whole heaven" [not UP IN heaven]; so there is quite a number of other passages that correlate snugly with what Rev20 is giving as further information [i.e. revelation / a revealing])
Its the word thousand used it represents a unknow as to whatever is in view to include time.
God does not give specifics by numbering days in that way or numbering people . We walk by faith a unknow time and number of saints . Jesus will come when no one expects like a thief in the night and amount to be saved no man knows the number of souls. His bride all the saints both sides of the reformation is represented as 144,000, another metaphor according to the signified language of Revelation
The word thousand years is used in the same way to represent a unknown. It is used three time in the same way before the book of Revelation and six times in that book to emphasize we walk by faith and are not of the number
.Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
God is timeless
Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
God is timeless
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
God is timeless
Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years
God is timeless
I am not sure I understand your reference to the word thousand.
Can you give some biblical examples of the use ....for symbolism?
This is completely false and inconsistent with Bible interpretation. Just as Revelation has a literal 42 month (3 1/2 yr) period for the reign of the Antichrist on earth, Revelation has a literal 1,000 year period for the reign of Christ on earth. But since you basic hermeneutic principle is to convert EVERYTHING into a parable, you will never understand these things.
This has no basis in fact. There were about 4,000 years from Adam to Christ, and there are over 2,000 year from Christ to the present time.
It would seem to be inconsistent to your bible interpretation tools . But not inconsistent which the signified underderstanding as the prescribed manner of interpretation . The Amil position (no literal thousand) has been around for quite some time. .
The introduction to the book of Revelation sets it straight right from the beginning. The "signified language" as hidden manna is the language of parables. You can ignore that without parables Christ spoke not, but it could make your understanding ignorant of the gospel hid in the understanding. we must be careful on how we hear..
Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and "signified it" by his angel unto his servant John
Why bypass that unseen level of understanding? Its easy to see when a person if a person starts inventing their own conclusions and adding metaphors that do not flow with the whole Bible. What's the fear ?
Looking for the spiritual understanding is not anything a person should fear and keep away from . Because then they miss the blessing with a partial understanding.. the gospel thread is woven throughout the Bible.
It helps eliminate the false foundation of dispensations or the Church has gone missing as some sort of terrorist plot mass removal of God people or mixing the new creation, not male nor female Jew nor gentile with the old flesh and blood creation .Or the Son of man Jesus returning in the flesh as if God was a man as us..
The thousand years is a metaphor used in a parable. Without parables Christ spoke not hiding the gospel understanding .
All 9 times the words "thousands years is used" in the Bible it is used as a metaphor to represent a unknown to include the 6 times it is used in the parable chapter 20 of Revelation . God does not give exact numbers in time dating or total of amount of the souls of saints .We walk by faith not by counting down numbers to a unknow time . Christ who is reigning on earth in the hearts of men will come as a thief in the night. Many have tried to give the timing of the last day as a guess and failed.
Since the literal understanding is the only one that seem to work for some. What is the day hour and year? What day does the 3 1/2 years begin?
There is no reason why would look to the literal thousand year fulfillment There is no prescription that informs us to look on the surface if it makes common sense do not look for the pearls as to the hidden understanding .I don't think you will find that in the Amil camp.
Matthew 13:34All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Mark 4:11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables
The prescriptions are to aid us in walking by faith.(not seem) Not to trip us up as some would menace it ,it seems. Christ is reining with the believer on earth
The last days began when the veil was rent. it signaled the beginning of the 1000 year
First allow me to agree that the Bible often uses symbolism. However, when we are assessing if that is the case we must use other tools. to assist us in that determination. We can do that by applying a Bible study rule;
Take the Bible literally whenever possible. If typical, figurative or symbolic words are used then we must look for a literal interpretation it intends to convey. (this is important!).
Let's take the 1000 reign of Christ on earth. We can conclude that....that is literal....by looking at support points, here are a couple;
each of us must go to Jerusalem once each year to celebrate Christ or we will not receive any rain.
The great battle has specifics that relate to supporting the 1000 reign of Christ on earth.
There are other supporting points...I suggest to search them....to get the full picture...which is convenience validation that Christ's millennium reign on earth...is factual.
JEREMIAH 3 [20] SURELY AS A WIFE TREACHEROUSLY DEPARTETH FROM HER HUSBAND, SO HAVE YE DEALT TREACHEROUSLY WITH ME, O HOUSE OF ISRAEL, SAITH THE LORD. [21] A voice was heard upon the high places, weeping and supplications of the children of Israel: for they have perverted their way, and they have forgotten the LORD their God. [22] Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD our God.
Israel is the bride
JEREMIAH 2 [31] O generation, see ye the word of the Lord. Have I been A WILDERNESS UNTO ISRAEL? a land of darkness? wherefore say my people, We are lords; we will come no more unto thee? [32] Can a maid forget her ornaments, OR A BRIDE HER ATTIRE? yet my people have forgotten me days without number.
Israel the bride
JEREMIAH 3 [11] And the LORD said unto me, THE BACKSLIDING ISRAEL hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.[12] Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.[13] Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD.[14] TURN, O BACKSLIDING CHILDREN, SAITH THE LORD; FOR I AM MARRIED UNTO YOU: AND I WILL TAKE YOU ONE OF A CITY, AND TWO OF A FAMILY, AND I WILL BRING YOU TO ZION:
Backsliding Israel. I am married unto you. Israel is the bride. I will take you one of a city, and two of a family. Sound familiar?
LUKE 17 [33] Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. [34] I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER SHALL BE LEFT. [35] Two women shall be grinding together; THE ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER LEFT. [36] Two men shall be in the field; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER LEFT.
Sure does. And they are not going to heaven {as the rapturist claim} but are taken to Zion {Jer.3v14} for the 1000yr period of rest.
REVELATION 21 {9} And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I WILL SHEW THEE THE BRIDE, THE LAMB'S WIFE. {10} And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, {11} Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; {12} And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of THE TWELVE TRIBES OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL:
Theres the bride according to this new covenant scripture. Its the 12 tribes of Israel, just as the old testament says.
To those Rapturist who claim the Bride is the sunday mournin church people, please show me in scripture
Israel is the bride
JEREMIAH 2 [31] O generation, see ye the word of the Lord. Have I been A WILDERNESS UNTO ISRAEL? a land of darkness? wherefore say my people, We are lords; we will come no more unto thee? [32] Can a maid forget her ornaments, OR A BRIDE HER ATTIRE? yet my people have forgotten me days without number.
Israel the bride
JEREMIAH 3 [11] And the LORD said unto me, THE BACKSLIDING ISRAEL hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.[12] Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.[13] Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD.[14] TURN, O BACKSLIDING CHILDREN, SAITH THE LORD; FOR I AM MARRIED UNTO YOU: AND I WILL TAKE YOU ONE OF A CITY, AND TWO OF A FAMILY, AND I WILL BRING YOU TO ZION:
Backsliding Israel. I am married unto you. Israel is the bride. I will take you one of a city, and two of a family. Sound familiar?
LUKE 17 [33] Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. [34] I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER SHALL BE LEFT. [35] Two women shall be grinding together; THE ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER LEFT. [36] Two men shall be in the field; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER LEFT.
Sure does. And they are not going to heaven {as the rapturist claim} but are taken to Zion {Jer.3v14} for the 1000yr period of rest.
REVELATION 21 {9} And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I WILL SHEW THEE THE BRIDE, THE LAMB'S WIFE. {10} And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, {11} Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; {12} And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of THE TWELVE TRIBES OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL:
Theres the bride according to this new covenant scripture. Its the 12 tribes of Israel, just as the old testament says.
To those Rapturist who claim the Bride is the sunday mournin church people, please show me in scripture
The thousand years is clearly a metaphor used in the parable found in Revelation 20 as well as other parables..
Thousand throughout the scriptures as the signified language of God represents a unknown as to what ever is in view to include time or counting people. .Men are quick to look for sign and wonder as one of the number . No sign was given just the metaphor "thousand."
Christ will come as a thief in the night on the last day. . . the day we receive our new incorruptible bodies . . . and the second death as to the letter of the law . It will never rise and condemn the creation of God ever again forever more.
Christ is literally reining on earth .Using a kingdom of priest as ambassadors not of here. .
On the same last day they will rise and the believers that were sleeping hear the wake up call "arise and receive your new body in the twinkling of the eye .
We are given 6 witnesses to the timing...last day .
The last reference the judgement (John 12:48 ) into the lake of fire
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:54Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Wow. Garee you have made the entire Bible a parable. Which means that in reality you do not believe that God actually communicates with men in a plain and direct manner, and that prophecy is not actually history written in advance.
Your method of interpretation borders on the bizarre. And for those who may not be familiar with Bible truth, you are leading them astray with every post of yours. Think about it.
Revelation 20 IS A PLAIN STATEMENT OF FACTS which are to be fulfilled after the Second Coming of Christ. The Millennial reign of Christ is a divine necessity, and will be fulfilled as revealed.
I have mentioned that the "one shall be taken, and the other left" passages are referring (not to our Rapture ['IN THE AIR'], but) to the point in time of His Second Coming to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom... where it will be the "taken" who will be taken away in judgment (just as in Noah's day) and the "left" will be left to enter the MK age in mortal bodies, capable of reproducing/bearing children (just as in Noah's day; comp. Dan2:35 with Gen9:1 ["fill/filled the [whole] earth"], and Matt24:36-41, Lk17:26-37[/18:8 "avenge IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" referring to the same future time period that Rev1:1[4:1/1:19c (7:3)] refers to, meaning the "future" aspects of the Book, following SEAL #1/INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3 (Matt24:4/Mk13:5 'G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE')]" of many more "birth PANGS [PLURAL]" that will follow on from there [Matt24:4-8/Mk13:5-8/Lk21:8-11 etc]), all of which FOLLOWS our Rapture/Departure.
[see also 2Cor11:2 "I [Paul] have betrothed you [corporate, plural] to One Husband, that I may present you [understood 'you'; corporate, plural] A CHASTE VIRGIN [SINGULAR] to Christ" (IOW, Christ is not coming to "MARRY" the FIVE Virgins [of the "TEN Virgins parable"] that we see in "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" parables--these are wholly distinct [and is about their entrance into the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom, upon His "RETURN" to the earth [see Lk12:36-37,38,40 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" … THEN the meal!])]
I would offer 12 is a number metaphor used to represent the whole as to the authority of God at whatever is in view. . . bread, oxen pillars of strength , gates entering in and out, fountains of water, stones ETC
Exodus 24:4And Moses wrote all the words of the Lord, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
Note...Pillars as "apostles"
The tribe of "Daniel" a word meaning God is my judge was removed from the book Revelation. . .Revelation a vision of the after.
Daniel used to represent the letter of the law that kills
Genesis 49:16 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.
To fall backward indicates a person in under the judgement of the letter of the law . Judas, combined with Dan are used together to represent unbelief in natural mankind. They in respect to the meaning of the word will not be part of the city of Christ. . . the new Jerusalamen.
She is recognized by the new name her husband named her in Acts . "Christian" a word when defined and no new meaning add literally means residents of the that heavenly City name after her founder Christ. It would seem from my experience a meaning lost and replaced new ones.
Same use with Judas went backward, and fell to the ground. Bitten by the poison of the serpents. . . . false prophecy
John 18:4-6 King James Version (KJV) Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
God used that in Isaiah 28 also to those who do not hear the gospel as under the judgment. It would seem that metaphor fall backward is used to represent natural unconverted mankind..
The 2 become one, the old testament and the new, First and foremost. . The Father and Son, husband and wife. Mary and Martha . David and Johnathon . Moses and Aaron, Tribes as gates and apostles as strengthening pillars as sent out withy the gospel ones
As the 12 tribes (as gates or doors ) describes the bride as one of the two witnesses with 12 apostles as those sent out with the gospel are also used to describe the same bride . She awaits the last day the revealing of the new body..The source of our living hope.
His chaste virgin bride she is clothed with the righteousness of Christ with the Sun and Moon the temporal time keepers under her feet. Its the end of time .The, new never ending beginning
Not per the Bible.
Many proofs...here's one;
We will be required to make a trip to Jerusalem annually or we will not get any rain.
If a metaphor.......why that type of address of the millennium/1000 year reign?
Hi Thanks..
It would seem are simply walking by sight as if the kingdom of God came by observation and God would set up his Kingdom on a corrupted creation that falls short of His unseen glory. And for a thousand years. I would think not even for a twinkling of the eye
Corruption (God's wrath being revealed from heaven) will not by clothed with the incorruptible . The old served its purpose. In the new heavens and earth the former thing of this corrupted creation will not be remembered or ever come to mind .He brings in the new . . It replaces the old up in smoke .Not a rebuilt or reconditioned. .
We are reigning with Christ. It began as the last days two thousand literal years ago . Christ did come in the flesh for a one time outward demonstration of (Isaiah 53). He will not be crucified over and over in public displace. One demonstration.
The last day is the last day .
The language in Revelation is shown in the introduction as not only inspired from heaven but also interpreted form a heavenly perspective. "Signified" .The language of parables as prophecy .
Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV)1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified "it" by his angel unto his servant John
And signified "it" Hiding the spiritual understanding in the parable below.
All of the underlined words must be defined to their signified spiritual meaning
Revelation 20 King James Version (KJV)And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
What do you think the "signified" meaning is of those underlined word?