Is Joseph the Father Of Christ According To The Flesh That was Promised to David?
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Well, Joseph was Jesus' stepfather or Earthly father. But according to Christian beliefs, he was not his actual father.
What do you mean by "according to the flesh"?
Both Joseph and Mary were descendants of David of the tribe of Judah, but Joseph was the legal and foster father of Jesus of Nazareth. Even though Christ was born of the virgin Mary, His legal right to the throne of David was established through both Joseph and Mary.
What do you think? Please...........I'm curious to read your thoughts on this.
First, Nowhere in scripture is Joseph ever mentioned as the stepfather or legal stepfather.
2nd Joseph and Mary are not from the same tribe.
Yes both are from David, of Solomon and of Nathan
Joseph is of Judah from Solomon
Mary is of Levi from Nathan
Gathering scriptures Will be back soon!
2nd Joseph and Mary are not from the same tribe.
Yes both are from David, of Solomon and of Nathan
Joseph is of Judah from Solomon
Mary is of Levi from Nathan
Gathering scriptures Will be back soon!
Same Tribe?
What point are you trying to make by saying Joseph and Mary are not from the same tribe?
What was your point?
I'm baffled by the fact you made some issue of that.
Why?
What does that have to do with... anything?
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Luke 1:30
And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.” 34 And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?
IF MARY was from LEVI this verse could not be valid and JESUS would have NO claim to the throne of David......end of story!
And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.” 34 And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin? IF MARY was from LEVI this verse could not be valid and JESUS would have NO claim to the throne of David......end of story!
There is a slight difference between stepfather and foster father. Joseph was the foster father of Jesus, and the Jews identified Him as such. He was also the legal father of Jesus.
Definition of stepfather
the husband of one's parent when distinct from one's natural or legal father
Definition of foster father
a man who looks after or brings up a child or children as a father, in place of the natural or adoptive father
You are simply confused. Compare both genealogies. Both are from the tribe of Judah, and descendants of David through Solomon and Nathan respectively.
HERE JOSEPH IS PRESENTED AS THE LEGAL SON OF MARY'S FATHER HELI
And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli... [Joseph's actual father was Jacob]
HERE LEVI IS ONE OF THE ANCESTORS OF MARY
Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,
Again, I must state, that for JESUS to have claim to the throne of David and having been born strictly by Mary without Joseph being the actual father MARY had to be from the tribe of Judah...........and this is even reinforced with Joseph being from that tribe as well.......the JEWS could NOT go back and claim he had no right to the throne and GOD covers ALL bases......
Thanks for being patient was busy:
Let’s continue,
I would like to take time and thank The Most High, Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
In Paleo Hebrew also (All praises to Ahayah, Yashaya, Wa Raach!
The prophecy that Christ would come from the seed of David which means a man’s loins which a woman does not have.
Men have seed and loins not women.
The Bible only refers to men having loins and seed and gives examples.
Here’s one: loins
Genesis 46:26 All the soules that came with Iacob into Egypt, which came out of his loines, besides Iacobs sonnes wiues, all the soules were threescore and sixe.
Seed or seeded:
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seede were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many, but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
With that understanding It’s clear that Christ would have a physical father.
Mary is from Nathan Solomons brother.
Joseph is from Solomon
There are charts to confirm lineages online.
David was king Not Nathan. It was through the Royal lineage of Kings through Judah that CHRIST YASHAYAH (paleo Hebrew) would come, so that eliminates Mary.
The Root of David and loins
Rev 5:5
[5]And one of the Elders saith vnto me, Weepe not: beholde, the Lion of the tribe of Iuda, the roote of Dauid, hath preuailed to open the booke, and to loose the seuen seales thereof. Joseph the father according to the flesh Romans 1:3 [3]Concerning his Sonne Iesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of Dauid according to the flesh, Acts 2:29-30 [29]Men and brethren, let me freely speake vnto you of the Patriarch Dauid, that he is both dead & buried, and his sepulchre is with vs vnto this day: [30]Therefore being a Prophet, and knowing that God had sworne with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loines, according to the flesh, hee would raise vp Christ, to sit on his throne:
Also "the fruit of his loins" means an actual person. Not a spirit!
Remember GOD made this oath to David.
Christ also said Himself that He’s the offspring of David:
Revelation 22:16 [16]I Iesus haue sent mine Angel, to testifie vnto you these things in the Churches. I am the roote and the offspring of Dauid, and the bright and morning starre.
Since CHRIST said HE IS the roote and offspring of David, that means a son of a man in his lineage. Our sons are our Offspring, every man knows that. I only agree with what My Lord and Savior says in scripture!
So, From who's loins did the HOLY SPIRIT come from if the HOLY SPIRIT impregnated Mary? Remember The promise would come from someone’s loins that a Spirit doesn’t have.
CHRIST was prophecied to come from the LOINS of David which means a man! "According to the Flesh"! And That oath was Promised by AHAYAH GOD!
Also The HOLY SPIRIT is NOT in that promise that HE made to David!
Again I ask what physical loins does a spirit have?
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Let’s continue,
I would like to take time and thank The Most High, Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
In Paleo Hebrew also (All praises to Ahayah, Yashaya, Wa Raach!
The prophecy that Christ would come from the seed of David which means a man’s loins which a woman does not have.
Men have seed and loins not women.
The Bible only refers to men having loins and seed and gives examples.
Here’s one: loins
Genesis 46:26 All the soules that came with Iacob into Egypt, which came out of his loines, besides Iacobs sonnes wiues, all the soules were threescore and sixe.
Seed or seeded:
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seede were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many, but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
With that understanding It’s clear that Christ would have a physical father.
Mary is from Nathan Solomons brother.
Joseph is from Solomon
There are charts to confirm lineages online.
David was king Not Nathan. It was through the Royal lineage of Kings through Judah that CHRIST YASHAYAH (paleo Hebrew) would come, so that eliminates Mary.
The Root of David and loins
Rev 5:5
[5]And one of the Elders saith vnto me, Weepe not: beholde, the Lion of the tribe of Iuda, the roote of Dauid, hath preuailed to open the booke, and to loose the seuen seales thereof. Joseph the father according to the flesh Romans 1:3 [3]Concerning his Sonne Iesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of Dauid according to the flesh, Acts 2:29-30 [29]Men and brethren, let me freely speake vnto you of the Patriarch Dauid, that he is both dead & buried, and his sepulchre is with vs vnto this day: [30]Therefore being a Prophet, and knowing that God had sworne with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loines, according to the flesh, hee would raise vp Christ, to sit on his throne:
Also "the fruit of his loins" means an actual person. Not a spirit!
Remember GOD made this oath to David.
Christ also said Himself that He’s the offspring of David:
Revelation 22:16 [16]I Iesus haue sent mine Angel, to testifie vnto you these things in the Churches. I am the roote and the offspring of Dauid, and the bright and morning starre.
Since CHRIST said HE IS the roote and offspring of David, that means a son of a man in his lineage. Our sons are our Offspring, every man knows that. I only agree with what My Lord and Savior says in scripture!
So, From who's loins did the HOLY SPIRIT come from if the HOLY SPIRIT impregnated Mary? Remember The promise would come from someone’s loins that a Spirit doesn’t have.
CHRIST was prophecied to come from the LOINS of David which means a man! "According to the Flesh"! And That oath was Promised by AHAYAH GOD!
Also The HOLY SPIRIT is NOT in that promise that HE made to David!
Again I ask what physical loins does a spirit have?
Be back soon
I read only the 1611 KJV
With All 80 books.
All praises to Ahayah, Yashaya, Wa Raach!
Understanding loins and seed are of men only.
Romans 1:3 Concerning his Sonne Iesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of Dauid according to the flesh,
Here we see “Made of the seed of David”
Yashaya Christ said that He wanted to be “Made like unto His brethren and Not be born any other way.
So how were they made? Dad mom then child.
Let’s read:
Wisdom of Solomon 7:1 I my selfe also am a mortall man, like to all, and the ofspring of him that was first made of the earth,
Wisdom of Solomon 7:2 And in my mothers wombe was fashioned to be flesh in the time of tenne moneths being compacted in blood, of the seed of man, and the pleasure that came with sleepe (sex)
Wisdom of Solomon 7:3 And when I was borne, I drew in the common aire, and fell vpon the earth which is of like nature, and the first voice which I vttered, was crying as all others doe.
Wisdom of Solomon 7:4 I was nursed in swadling clothes, and that with cares.
Wisdom of Solomon 7:5 For there is no king that had any other beginning of birth.
Wisdom of Solomon 7:6 For all men haue one entrance vnto life, and the like going out.
Hebrews 2:16 For verely he tooke not on him the nature of Angels: but he tooke on him the seed of Abraham.
Hebrews 2:17 Wherfore in all things it behooued him to bee made like vnto his brethren, that he might be a mercifull and faithfull high Priest, in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sinnes of the people.
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With All 80 books.
All praises to Ahayah, Yashaya, Wa Raach!
Understanding loins and seed are of men only.
Romans 1:3 Concerning his Sonne Iesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of Dauid according to the flesh,
Here we see “Made of the seed of David”
Yashaya Christ said that He wanted to be “Made like unto His brethren and Not be born any other way.
So how were they made? Dad mom then child.
Let’s read:
Wisdom of Solomon 7:1 I my selfe also am a mortall man, like to all, and the ofspring of him that was first made of the earth,
Wisdom of Solomon 7:2 And in my mothers wombe was fashioned to be flesh in the time of tenne moneths being compacted in blood, of the seed of man, and the pleasure that came with sleepe (sex)
Wisdom of Solomon 7:3 And when I was borne, I drew in the common aire, and fell vpon the earth which is of like nature, and the first voice which I vttered, was crying as all others doe.
Wisdom of Solomon 7:4 I was nursed in swadling clothes, and that with cares.
Wisdom of Solomon 7:5 For there is no king that had any other beginning of birth.
Wisdom of Solomon 7:6 For all men haue one entrance vnto life, and the like going out.
Hebrews 2:16 For verely he tooke not on him the nature of Angels: but he tooke on him the seed of Abraham.
Hebrews 2:17 Wherfore in all things it behooued him to bee made like vnto his brethren, that he might be a mercifull and faithfull high Priest, in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sinnes of the people.
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All praises to FATHER AHAYAH YASHAYAH WA RAACH!
Here are scriptures of the OATH that AHAYAH GOD made to David that CHRIST YASHAYAH would come from his lineage loins.
Rev 5:5
Root of David [5]And one of the Elders saith vnto me, Weepe not: beholde, the Lion of the tribe of Iuda, the roote of Dauid, hath preuailed to open the booke, and to loose the seuen seales thereof.
Joseph is the father according to the flesh.
Romans 1:3 [3]Concerning his Sonne Iesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of Dauid according to the flesh,
Acts 2:29-30 [29]Men and brethren, let me freely speake vnto you of the Patriarch Dauid, that he is both dead & buried, and his sepulchre is with vs vnto this day: [30]Therefore being a Prophet, and knowing that God had sworne with an OATH to him, that of the fruit of his LOINS, according to the flesh, hee would raise vp Christ, to sit on his throne:
Joseph was of David
Joseph is of Judah not Mary
Mary is never mentioned of the
Royal lineage of David in scripture.
Because Joseph is from Solomon.
Luke 2:4 [4]And Ioseph also wēt vp frō Galilee, out of the citie of Nazareth, into Iudea, vnto the citie of Dauid, which is called Bethlehem, (because he was of the house and linage of Dauid,)
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Here are scriptures of the OATH that AHAYAH GOD made to David that CHRIST YASHAYAH would come from his lineage loins.
Rev 5:5
Root of David [5]And one of the Elders saith vnto me, Weepe not: beholde, the Lion of the tribe of Iuda, the roote of Dauid, hath preuailed to open the booke, and to loose the seuen seales thereof.
Joseph is the father according to the flesh.
Romans 1:3 [3]Concerning his Sonne Iesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of Dauid according to the flesh,
Acts 2:29-30 [29]Men and brethren, let me freely speake vnto you of the Patriarch Dauid, that he is both dead & buried, and his sepulchre is with vs vnto this day: [30]Therefore being a Prophet, and knowing that God had sworne with an OATH to him, that of the fruit of his LOINS, according to the flesh, hee would raise vp Christ, to sit on his throne:
Joseph was of David
Joseph is of Judah not Mary
Mary is never mentioned of the
Royal lineage of David in scripture.
Because Joseph is from Solomon.
Luke 2:4 [4]And Ioseph also wēt vp frō Galilee, out of the citie of Nazareth, into Iudea, vnto the citie of Dauid, which is called Bethlehem, (because he was of the house and linage of Dauid,)
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Genesis 3:15 1587 GNV
I wil also put enimitie betweene thee and the woman, and betweene thy seede & her seede. He shall breake thine head, and thou shalt bruise His heele.
SEED OF THE WOMAN
Mary was the vessel through which Jehovah God prepared Himself a body. Jehovah God is the Father of Jesus the Christ born of Mary.
A genealogy of Jesus is provided in Matthew 1 and Luke 3. This provides the linage back to David and give Jesus Christ His rightful claim to the throne of David.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
A genealogy of Jesus is provided in Matthew 1 and Luke 3. This provides the linage back to David and give Jesus Christ His rightful claim to the throne of David.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
All praises to Ahayah, Yashaya, Wa Raach!
Nowhere in scripture is he ever called step father.
John 6:42 And they said, Is not this Iesus the sonne of Ioseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that hee sayth, I came downe from heauen?
John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathaneel, and saith vnto him, We haue found him of whom Moses in the Law, and the Prophets did write, Iesus of Nazareth the sonne of Ioseph.
Luke 4:22 And all bare him witnesse, and wondered at the gracious wordes, which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Iosephs sonne?
Nowhere in scripture is he ever called step father.
John 6:42 And they said, Is not this Iesus the sonne of Ioseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that hee sayth, I came downe from heauen?
John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathaneel, and saith vnto him, We haue found him of whom Moses in the Law, and the Prophets did write, Iesus of Nazareth the sonne of Ioseph.
Luke 4:22 And all bare him witnesse, and wondered at the gracious wordes, which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Iosephs sonne?
Women have eggs.
Genesis 3:20 1587 GNV
(And the man called his wiues name Heuah, because she was the mother of all liuing)