Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[eternally-gratefull]

God does not demand perfection.

Yet moses demanded perfection when he gave the law.

Paul said whoever was under law was under a curse, Because God demanded perfection

And james said whoever keeps the whole law yet failed in even on point, is guilty of all.

These people need to stop excusing their sins and realize that even the smallest of sins comes with a price..

 

[Grandpa]

With respect, did you read the passage you just posted? This is the passage I just reference in my reply.

Again, Ezekiel 36 is the heart change that makes one WANT to obey.

Again, can you show me where the promise is that "Christ or the Holy Spirit is doing the work of your obedience for you, in you"?

Is it all scripture that you have a hard time with or do you twist the scripture on purpose?

I just showed the Promise of God that He would cleanse us and that He would take out our stony heart and replace it with a fleshy heart and that He would place His Spirit inside us and CAUSE us to walk in His Statutes.

It didn't say anywhere that He would make you "want" to obey what you think you understand about the law. That is OBVIOUSLY NOT His Spirit that makes you want to work at your "understanding" of the law. Gods Spirit is the CAUSE of everyone walking in His Statutes.

Matthew 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
A better way to put this that I have seen in another translation is Blessed are those who know their Spiritual Bankruptcy, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


How does a carnal man obey a spiritual law? Because he "wants" to? He wills himself to do it?

C'mon. Open your eyes. I know this must be offensive to most religious people but sometimes the Truth is hard.



So you should be able to see that since God has made His Way known that if someone goes back to their work at the law, the yoke of bondage, the law of sin and death, that is warned against, that is the error of the wicked. That is the error of the lawless.

Those people who look to the Letter of the Law in order to obey their own understanding are not "Law keepers". They definitely THINK they are law keepers. But only those who God has Cleansed and has given His Spirit and CAUSED to walk in His Statutes are ACTUALLY law keepers.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

How can the Lord Jesus Christ offer you Rest? Because it is not FROM you that obedience comes from. It is the Holy Spirit that is the CAUSE of your fruit of obedience. That is why we can rest. And also why we DON'T break any laws.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[Grandpa]

You must be reading some other history of the Pharisees. They followed the Babylonian Talmud which was/is hostile to the Torah! It literally legalizes everything the Torah forbids!

You speak as if the Pharisees were righteous observers of the Torah, nothing could be further from the truth! Are you kidding?

The Pharisees looked to the Letter of the Law, Scripture, to work at it in their own understanding and strength.

I didn't EVER say that was righteous.

I said ALL PEOPLE WHO LOOK TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW TO WORK AT IT IN THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING AND STRENGTH DO THE SAME THING AS THE PHARISEE(s) BEFORE THEM.

Yep. Not kidding.

Do you think I should have capitalized that little "s" after Pharisee? Wasn't sure what to do there. I liked it not capitalized...

 

[Grandpa]

So you went from accusing me of saying Jesus was the Law to this?
His Will, Law and Word are the same.

FINALLY!!

You admit it.

How many times did you deny it when I asked you? It had to have been at least 3 or 4.

Why did you deny it when that is EXACTLY what you were trying to say?

The Word is Christ. Did you not know that? I've asked that question a few times as well.

Why are you trying to hide what you believe???

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Pharisees looked to the Letter of the Law, Scripture, to work at it in their own understanding and strength.

I didn't EVER say that was righteous.

I said ALL PEOPLE WHO LOOK TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW TO WORK AT IT IN THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING AND STRENGTH DO THE SAME THING AS THE PHARISEE(s) BEFORE THEM.

Yep. Not kidding.

Do you think I should have capitalized that little "s" after Pharisee? Wasn't sure what to do there. I liked it not capitalized...

The ignore the requirements of the law. Just like the pharisee did.

Its why they rejected grace. And why these people reject grace..

When you think your ok. You do not need grace.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Is it all scripture that you have a hard time with or do you twist the scripture on purpose?

I just showed the Promise of God that He would cleanse us and that He would take out our stony heart and replace it with a fleshy heart and that He would place His Spirit inside us and CAUSE us to walk in His Statutes.

It didn't say anywhere that He would make you "want" to obey what you think you understand about the law. That is OBVIOUSLY NOT His Spirit that makes you want to work at your "understanding" of the law. Gods Spirit is the CAUSE of everyone walking in His Statutes.

Matthew 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
A better way to put this that I have seen in another translation is Blessed are those who know their Spiritual Bankruptcy, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


How does a carnal man obey a spiritual law? Because he "wants" to? He wills himself to do it?

C'mon. Open your eyes. I know this must be offensive to most religious people but sometimes the Truth is hard.



So you should be able to see that since God has made His Way known that if someone goes back to their work at the law, the yoke of bondage, the law of sin and death, that is warned against, that is the error of the wicked. That is the error of the lawless.

Those people who look to the Letter of the Law in order to obey their own understanding are not "Law keepers". They definitely THINK they are law keepers. But only those who God has Cleansed and has given His Spirit and CAUSED to walk in His Statutes are ACTUALLY law keepers.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

How can the Lord Jesus Christ offer you Rest? Because it is not FROM you that obedience comes from. It is the Holy Spirit that is the CAUSE of your fruit of obedience. That is why we can rest. And also why we DON'T break any laws.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

So, in Ezekiel 36:27 do you see the action "ye shall keep my judgments, and do them." as something that takes place without any choice of ours? In other words, we couldn't act contrary to Gods will even if we tried?

I go along with the "New Creation" being godly, but do you see "the old man/the carnal man" as having no possibility of rising up and bearing fruit to unrighteousness?

If so, then since both are within the same man, cannot that "man" sin?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So, in Ezekiel 36:27 do you see the action "ye shall keep my judgments, and do them." as something that takes place without any choice of ours? In other words, we couldn't act contrary to Gods will even if we tried?

I go along with the "New Creation" being godly, but do you see "the old man/the carnal man" as having no possibility of rising up and bearing fruit to unrighteousness?

If so, then since both are within the same man, cannot that "man" sin?

What empowers them to do his commands, when that time comes?

 

[NayborBear]

Looks like I misunderstood you, then I asked the question again

Perhaps I should ask the question a different way. Do you attempt to physically perform as many of the instructions in The book of Leviticus as you possibly can? And if so, do you attempt to physically perform as many of the instructions in the book of Deuteronomy as you possibly can?

What's that I say?
You got "beans in yer ears?"

It is hard in the explaining to one of "conceit", the way, and ways, the "Spirit of God" leads one who truly loves Jesus, and He who sent Jesus that there comes internal "changes", or a "bare bones" rewiring of one's "hard wired" hard drive, so to speak.
Meaning? It "changes" the way one thinks! Therefore? Changing the way one acts!

Would it not be more prudent for one of such conceit, in the finding out those sin/s that Love doesn't cover?
Then the focusing of one's attention towards the "eyes of men?" Thus, only SEEING what "eyes of men" WANT to see?

 

[SimpleGardner]

The Pharisees looked to the Letter of the Law, Scripture, to work at it in their own understanding and strength.

I didn't EVER say that was righteous.

I said ALL PEOPLE WHO LOOK TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW TO WORK AT IT IN THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING AND STRENGTH DO THE SAME THING AS THE PHARISEE(s) BEFORE THEM.

Yep. Not kidding.

Do you think I should have capitalized that little "s" after Pharisee? Wasn't sure what to do there. I liked it not capitalized...

If you look at the "traditions of men" Jesus referred to;

Mar 7:11-13 KJV But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. (12) And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; (13) Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

This tradition Jesus is referring to is the Talmud.

Even Paul spoke of being faithful to these "Traditions" which Jesus condemned;

Gal 1:13-14 KJV For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: (14) And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

It was not the Torah that gave Saul and the High Priest justification for his criminal actions, it was the Talmud! In many cases Paul refers to the traditions of men as The Laws of the "Jews Religion" which they brought back from Babylon! This Law/The Talmud was criminal, and is often times the "yoke/burden" that Peter spoke of. Not the Torah. In many ways Jesus came to liberate His people from these criminal laws and restore the Laws of Love, which is the Torah! Look up the Talmud if you wish to see how vile they are! This is a Link to some of them

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you look at the "traditions of men" Jesus referred to;

Mar 7:11-13 KJV But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. (12) And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; (13) Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

This tradition Jesus is referring to is the Talmud.

Even Paul spoke of being faithful to these "Traditions" which Jesus condemned;

Gal 1:13-14 KJV For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: (14) And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

It was not the Torah that gave Saul and the High Priest justification for his criminal actions, it was the Talmud! In many cases Paul refers to the traditions of men as The Laws of the "Jews Religion" which they brought back from Babylon! This Law/The Talmud was criminal, and is often times the "yoke/burden" that Peter spoke of. Not the Torah. In many ways Jesus came to liberate His people from these criminal laws and restore the Laws of Love, which is the Torah! Look up the Talmud if you wish to see how vile they are! This is a Link to some of them

Peter spoke of the yoke being the law.

Its a yoke because no one can keep it. Yet they kept trying, and continued to fail. Because it was a fruitless endeavor.

Instead of focusing on God. And loving him and others, they focused on their performance, and failed to understand they were not living up to Gods expectation. So they continued to make excuses, Water down the law. And judge and blame others, which is common for lawyers to do.. Condemned sinners to make themselves look better (see the pharisee and the tax collector)

 

[NayborBear]

1 Corinthians 2
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Peter spoke of the yoke being the law.

Its a yoke because no one can keep it. Yet they kept trying, and continued to fail. Because it was a fruitless endeavor.

Instead of focusing on God. And loving him and others, they focused on their performance, and failed to understand they were not living up to Gods expectation. So they continued to make excuses, Water down the law. And judge and blame others, which is common for lawyers to do.. Condemned sinners to make themselves look better (see the pharisee and the tax collector)

Some people want to create a polarised view of everything. A yoke is something that restricts movement,
whether right or wrong, it is just a restriction.

The problem is Israel is without the law written on our hearts and minds, and love in our hearts and the Holy
Spirit communing with us, walking as children of God is very difficult.

What is clear is some desire to walk as sinners and then claim the promises without fulfilling the walk itself.
This is clearly impossible, and because they have not experienced either the law in their minds and hearts,
or the freedom love brings to ones soul, they interpret the way of Jesus like a legalist with no law.
Another way of saying this, is lawlessness. But in many ways these people are to be pitied more than any,
they are bound and imprisoned at the doorway to freedom and liberty in Christ Jesus our Lord.

And their language is all around rules following and legalism, like someone in an arranged marriage with
someone they hate, and they just want to be free but the bride grooms family will kill them, so they will
make do, and try and be good, but it is not their fault if they cannot stay faithful.......

 

[SimpleGardner]

Some people want to create a polarised view of everything. A yoke is something that restricts movement,
whether right or wrong, it is just a restriction.

The problem is Israel is without the law written on our hearts and minds, and love in our hearts and the Holy
Spirit communing with us, walking as children of God is very difficult.

What is clear is some desire to walk as sinners and then claim the promises without fulfilling the walk itself.
This is clearly impossible, and because they have not experienced either the law in their minds and hearts,
or the freedom love brings to ones soul, they interpret the way of Jesus like a legalist with no law.
Another way of saying this, is lawlessness. But in many ways these people are to be pitied more than any,
they are bound and imprisoned at the doorway to freedom and liberty in Christ Jesus our Lord.

And their language is all around rules following and legalism, like someone in an arranged marriage with
someone they hate, and they just want to be free but the bride grooms family will kill them, so they will
make do, and try and be good, but it is not their fault if they cannot stay faithful.......

Well Worded FHS!,

Like a failure to progress. Perhaps the litmus test we all wish there was for proof of conversion is an abundant love for Gods Laws. Perhaps its that simple. After all as is spoken of in Hebrews;

Heb 3:15-19 KJV While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. (16) For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. (17) But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? (18) And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? (19) So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

After all of Gods miracles on behalf of Israel "Many" simply would not "believe" God! And as I shared this definition from Vines Greek Dictionary earlier;

B2. Obedience, Obedient, Obey [Verb] peitho "to persuade, to win over," in the Passive and Middle Voices, "to be persuaded, to listen to, to obey," is so used with this meaning, in the Middle Voice, e.g., in Acts 5:36-37 (in Acts 5:40, Passive Voice, "they agreed"); Rom 2:8; Gal 5:7; Heb 13:17; James 3:3. The "obedience" suggested is not by submission to authority, but resulting from persuasion.

"Peitho and pisteuo" 'to trust,' are closely related etymologically; the difference in meaning is that the former implies the obedience that is produced by the latter, cp. Heb 3:18,19, where the disobedience of the Israelites is said to be the evidence of their unbelief. Faith is of the heart, invisible to men; obedience is of the conduct and may be observed. When a man obeys God he gives the only possible evidence that in his heart he believes God. Of course it is persuasion of the truth that results in faith (we believe because we are persuaded that the thing is true, a thing does not become true because it is believed), but peitho, in NT suggests an actual and outward result of the inward persuasion and consequent faith." [ From Notes on Thessalonians, by Hogg and Vine, pp. 254,255.] See peitho under ASSURANCE.

Belief is always accompanied by Obedience! Just like Abraham's Faith/Belief in God manifested itself i his obedience to Gods commands to move and even more incredible to Kill his son Isaac! Faith/Belief always reveals itself in obedience!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well Worded FHS!,

Like a failure to progress. Perhaps the litmus test we all wish there was for proof of conversion is an abundant love for Gods Laws. Perhaps its that simple. After all as is spoken of in Hebrews;

Heb 3:15-19 KJV While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. (16) For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. (17) But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? (18) And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? (19) So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

After all of Gods miracles on behalf of Israel "Many" simply would not "believe" God! And as I shared this definition from Vines Greek Dictionary earlier;

B2. Obedience, Obedient, Obey [Verb] peitho "to persuade, to win over," in the Passive and Middle Voices, "to be persuaded, to listen to, to obey," is so used with this meaning, in the Middle Voice, e.g., in Acts 5:36-37 (in Acts 5:40, Passive Voice, "they agreed"); Rom 2:8; Gal 5:7; Heb 13:17; James 3:3. The "obedience" suggested is not by submission to authority, but resulting from persuasion.

"Peitho and pisteuo" 'to trust,' are closely related etymologically; the difference in meaning is that the former implies the obedience that is produced by the latter, cp. Heb 3:18,19, where the disobedience of the Israelites is said to be the evidence of their unbelief. Faith is of the heart, invisible to men; obedience is of the conduct and may be observed. When a man obeys God he gives the only possible evidence that in his heart he believes God. Of course it is persuasion of the truth that results in faith (we believe because we are persuaded that the thing is true, a thing does not become true because it is believed), but peitho, in NT suggests an actual and outward result of the inward persuasion and consequent faith." [ From Notes on Thessalonians, by Hogg and Vine, pp. 254,255.] See peitho under ASSURANCE.

Belief is always accompanied by Obedience! Just like Abraham's Faith/Belief in God manifested itself i his obedience to Gods commands to move and even more incredible to Kill his son Isaac! Faith/Belief always reveals itself in obedience!

Yoke is something with pulls. It also is tool used by farmers to steer or guide their cattle.

You see God wanted to steer them, Thats why he proved their sin (by giving them the law) and told them to look to him for all things.

But they did not want God to steer them

They wanted a king, Ultimately they wanted to stear themselves. Thats why they screamed at moses, and every prophet God gave, because they had the law. And as long as they were following the law. They were ok. (In their own view)

Just like when Christ came.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well Worded FHS!,

Like a failure to progress. Perhaps the litmus test we all wish there was for proof of conversion is an abundant love for Gods Laws. Perhaps its that simple. After all as is spoken of in Hebrews;

Heb 3:15-19 KJV While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. (16) For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. (17) But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? (18) And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? (19) So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

After all of Gods miracles on behalf of Israel "Many" simply would not "believe" God! And as I shared this definition from Vines Greek Dictionary earlier;

B2. Obedience, Obedient, Obey [Verb] peitho "to persuade, to win over," in the Passive and Middle Voices, "to be persuaded, to listen to, to obey," is so used with this meaning, in the Middle Voice, e.g., in Acts 5:36-37 (in Acts 5:40, Passive Voice, "they agreed"); Rom 2:8; Gal 5:7; Heb 13:17; James 3:3. The "obedience" suggested is not by submission to authority, but resulting from persuasion.

"Peitho and pisteuo" 'to trust,' are closely related etymologically; the difference in meaning is that the former implies the obedience that is produced by the latter, cp. Heb 3:18,19, where the disobedience of the Israelites is said to be the evidence of their unbelief. Faith is of the heart, invisible to men; obedience is of the conduct and may be observed. When a man obeys God he gives the only possible evidence that in his heart he believes God. Of course it is persuasion of the truth that results in faith (we believe because we are persuaded that the thing is true, a thing does not become true because it is believed), but peitho, in NT suggests an actual and outward result of the inward persuasion and consequent faith." [ From Notes on Thessalonians, by Hogg and Vine, pp. 254,255.] See peitho under ASSURANCE.

Belief is always accompanied by Obedience! Just like Abraham's Faith/Belief in God manifested itself i his obedience to Gods commands to move and even more incredible to Kill his son Isaac! Faith/Belief always reveals itself in obedience!

FAITH is always accompaniewd by obedience.

The first act of obedience one has is to recieve the gospel and entrust their eternity to it.

At this point, they are saved, But before then they have to be convicted. One that they are sinners (this is where the law comes in) then that they can not save themselves (this is where sacrificial law comes in) Then they have to realise Christ was that sacrifice (this is wher the ceremonial law comes in) and even if they think they are ok because they are not sinners, they have to realise, even unintentional sin brought upon it the penalty of death (something you still evidently refuse to acknowledge) and once they found christ. The law has fulfilled its purpose in thier lives.

Now. Once christ has perfected them, they spend their loves growing in faith and love, which of course produces varying degrees of works. Because once again true faith works.

The issue is, Where is yoru faith?

In christ?

Or your performance?

As paul said, if you do one act of the law, your indebted to do every bit of the law.. Why? Because cured is the one who does not confirm every word of the law. And do them.

 

[Dan_473]

We have the admonition to offer ourselves a living sacrifice. And the only sacrifices were without spot or blemish. Now I can reckon the Justification for salvation is what brings us to a place to receive the Holy Spirit, but I can assure you the without spot or blemish is referring to our steadfastness in the sanctification process.





I think so, but there is definitely need for hearing the Word of God. Others can read to them, they can attend sessions, etc I do not think there would be enough faith without it. But I have no concern, because I know what the Holy Spirit would compel them and the believers they fellowship with to do!

(note to all, some of the words in the quote box attributed to me in post 3,333 are actually the words of SimpleGardner.)


I agree that we are to offer ourselves as living sacrifices. Does this mean, in your view, that we are free to break the commandment about how and where a grain offering is to be burnt? are we free to break all of The commandments that relate to the temple or the tent of meeting?

 

[Eli12]

God does not demand perfection.

Yet moses demanded perfection when he gave the law.

Paul said whoever was under law was under a curse, Because God demanded perfection

And james said whoever keeps the whole law yet failed in even on point, is guilty of all.

These people need to stop excusing their sins and realize that even the smallest of sins comes with a price..

Consider this passage:

1 Pet 1:13 So brace up your minds for activity; keep your senses completely; set your hope on the undeserved kindness that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14 As obedient children, stop being molded by the desires you formerly had in your ignorance, 15 but like the Holy One who called you, become holy yourselves in all your conduct, 16 for it is written: “You must be holy, because I am holy.”

17 And if you are calling on the Father who judges impartially according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves with fear during the time of your temporary residence. 18 For you know that it was not with corruptible things, with silver or gold, that you were set free from your futile way of life handed down to you by your forefathers. 19 But it was with precious blood, like that of an unblemished and spotless lamb, that of Christ. 20 True, he was foreknown before the founding of the world, but he was made manifest at the end of the times for your sake. 21 Through him you are believers in God, the one who raised him up from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope might be in God.

22 Now that you have purified yourselves by your obedience to the truth with unhypocritical brotherly affection as the result, love one another intensely from the heart. 23 For you have been given a new birth, not by corruptible, but by incorruptible seed, through the word of the living and enduring God. 24 For “all flesh is like grass, and all its glory is like a blossom of the field; the grass withers, and the flower falls off, 25 but the saying of Jehovah endures forever.” And this “saying” is the good news that was declared to you.

There are things we cannot give because we are not perfect and God knows it. That is precisely why Jesus died for us. But there are things we can do, and God demands that. It is our effort, at least; ... repentance, and try and try again, do not stop doing it in case we need to fight more and harder ... With the help of God and his spirit, eventually we can endure a certain serious weakness/weaknesses that was defeating us before and causing us to fall into serious sins. It does not mean that we will be perfect; but at least we will show how interested we are in doing what God likes and stop doing what he does not approve. It will also show that we are very interested in obeying him, despite our weaknesses and imperfections ... the rest is done by the blood of Jesus.

 

[DeighAnn]

Looks like I misunderstood you, then I asked the question again

Perhaps I should ask the question a different way. Do you attempt to physically perform as many of the instructions in The book of Leviticus as you possibly can? And if so, do you attempt to physically perform as many of the instructions in the book of Deuteronomy as you possibly can?

I know none of these were to me but I gotta know, "attempt to physically perform" what does that mean?

 

[Dan_473]

What's that I say?
You got "beans in yer ears?"

It is hard in the explaining to one of "conceit", the way, and ways, the "Spirit of God" leads one who truly loves Jesus, and He who sent Jesus that there comes internal "changes", or a "bare bones" rewiring of one's "hard wired" hard drive, so to speak.
Meaning? It "changes" the way one thinks! Therefore? Changing the way one acts!

Would it not be more prudent for one of such conceit, in the finding out those sin/s that Love doesn't cover?
Then the focusing of one's attention towards the "eyes of men?" Thus, only SEEING what "eyes of men" WANT to see?

Well then, I will return to an earlier question which gave rise to the current series.

Do you wear clothing of linen and wool mixed together?

I don't think that question is difficult to answer, I don't think it would require spiritual insight to answer or to understand the answer. Or am I wrong about that?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Consider this passage:

1 Pet 1:13 So brace up your minds for activity; keep your senses completely; set your hope on the undeserved kindness that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14 As obedient children, stop being molded by the desires you formerly had in your ignorance, 15 but like the Holy One who called you, become holy yourselves in all your conduct, 16 for it is written: “You must be holy, because I am holy.”

17 And if you are calling on the Father who judges impartially according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves with fear during the time of your temporary residence. 18 For you know that it was not with corruptible things, with silver or gold, that you were set free from your futile way of life handed down to you by your forefathers. 19 But it was with precious blood, like that of an unblemished and spotless lamb, that of Christ. 20 True, he was foreknown before the founding of the world, but he was made manifest at the end of the times for your sake. 21 Through him you are believers in God, the one who raised him up from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope might be in God.

22 Now that you have purified yourselves by your obedience to the truth with unhypocritical brotherly affection as the result, love one another intensely from the heart. 23 For you have been given a new birth, not by corruptible, but by incorruptible seed, through the word of the living and enduring God. 24 For “all flesh is like grass, and all its glory is like a blossom of the field; the grass withers, and the flower falls off, 25 but the saying of Jehovah endures forever.” And this “saying” is the good news that was declared to you.

There are things we cannot give because we are not perfect and God knows it. That is precisely why Jesus died for us. But there are things we can do, and God demands that. It is our effort, at least; ... repentance, and try and try again, do not stop doing it in case we need to fight more and harder ... With the help of God and his spirit, eventually we can endure a certain serious weakness/weaknesses that was defeating us before and causing us to fall into serious sins. It does not mean that we will be perfect; but at least we will show how interested we are in doing what God likes and stop doing what he does not approve. It will also show that we are very interested in obeying him, despite our weaknesses and imperfections ... the rest is done by the blood of Jesus.

Jesus died for us because we were guilty, and the letter of the law brought us under condemnation which was the curse of the law. And like the law showed. The only way atonement could be accomplished was through the shedding of blood.

If God did not take care of the condemnation issue, or the curse of the law. We would have no hope of salvation. And have no possibility of restoring our relationship with God or get to heaven, we would all be doomed to hell. When we realise this fact. We are free not only to come to God in faith. But be used by God. Because pride is removed, and we can stop trying to perform and just allow God to mld us into th epeople he wants us to be..

Then and ONLY then will change occurs, will works (true living works) which produce fruit come forth.

Until then all we have are works of self righteousness, which may cause us to be proud, but produce no fruit. Only pain and suffering (when God says depart form I never knew you)

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