I dreamed a dream

[dcontroversal]

He sent the hand that wrote the inscription.​

This is the inscription that was written:​

MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PARSIN​

(Daniel 5:24-25)​

Have you ever studied that and paid attention to the change in words used by Daniel.......he switches gears from the plural to the singular in an obvious reference to the dual use of Babylon has fallen...the singular being used to describe the fall of Babylon B.C. with the plural usage directed at both the fall of classical Babylon and the YET future mystery city in revelation identified as BABYLON...........

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I think it is a safe bet to say that anyone who denies the veracity of scripture. while proclaiming their own prophetic dream, is a false prophet.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I did say I liked your dream and understanding of it...as metaphorical and perhaps something given to you for your understanding on something

however this:

Scripture in any form is documentation of a man’s experiences with GOD Almighty or his Son or the angels. These experiences are written by humans and authenticated “canonized” by tests made by humans. The only actual Scripture written by GOD is the 10 Commandments. 100% of humans can be influenced by Satan that is why Jesus’ actual words themselves are of extreme importance within scripture; Paul’s words are useful but not consistently of GOD, Moses’ words again useful and again not consistently from GOD. For any scripture to be from GOD it must follow the 10 commandments and the teachings of Christ or it is not from GOD but man.

is bewildering and not acceptable. I think most people have basically told you that

when I asked you about Jesus I received no answer

I would be careful to take a dream as directive from God, that you put out for others, most of whom disagree with your summation

I am always so leery of things like this and again, I see why I am

sorry, but I shake my head on this one

 

[Absolutely]

I did say I liked your dream and understanding of it...as metaphorical and perhaps something given to you for your understanding on something

however this:



is bewildering and not acceptable. I think most people have basically told you that

when I asked you about Jesus I received no answer

I would be careful to take a dream as directive from God, that you put out for others, most of whom disagree with your summation

I am always so leery of things like this and again, I see why I am

sorry, but I shake my head on this one

Yes

I am radical about the bible we have.
It is the word of God.
It never was meant to be handled or approached differently.

It is not hodge podge hit and miss
It has a life and rythm all its own.

Not of this world

 

[Deuteronomy]

I think it is a safe bet to say that anyone who denies the veracity of scripture. while proclaiming their own prophetic dream, is a false prophet.

Agreed. Such a person is deceived, a deceiver, or both.

~Deut

 

[pomeranian]

="pomeranian, post: 3988570, member: 287184"]I am so glad you asked this as the Spirit has been placing this subject on my heart first let's go to scripture. May the Spirit of GOD be with us all.
Deuteronomy 9:9 When I went up the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant that the Lord made with you, I remained on the mountain forty days and forty nights. I neither ate bread nor drank water. 10 And the Lord gave me the two tablets of stone written with the finger of God, and on them were all the words that the Lord had spoken with you on the mountain out of the midst of the fire on the day of the assembly.

Exodus 31:18 And he gave to Moses, when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

The 10 Commandments are the only scripture actually written by GOD himself. They were housed in the ark of the covanent, they were considered the communication ability between The Jewish people and GOD

Exodus 25: 21 And you shall put the mercy seat on the top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony that I shall give you. 22 There I will meet with you, and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim that are on the ark of the testimony, I will speak with you about all that I will give you in commandment for the people of Israel.

1 Kings 8:9 states only the stones.... Hebrews 9:4 may say it also housed (depending on your interpretation) manna and Aaron's rod.
Both of these scriptures talk of the ark being kept in a Holy place behind a curtain.

Matthew 27:51 And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split.
Many believe that this tear in the curtain signifies a dissolvement of the covenant between GOD and the Israelites. Or even tthat the 10 commandments were now no longer relevant.

What I have been shown in my heart is The 10 Commandments are the only scripture you can believe came directly from GOD himself. They are to be written on our hearts and taught to our children

so why did Jesus die then? why did God send His only Son to be the sacrifice on our behalf?


Matthew 5: 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus followed not only GOD's laws the 10 commandments but also Moses laws as the Jewish faith would count him an imposter if he had not. Jesus ate kosher, was circumcised, celebrated passover etc. The Jewish leaders accused Christ of breaking 2 laws working on the Sabbath, and not washing his hands. When Jesus stated the greatest of the 10 Commandments they were a simply state ment of 2 that included all 10.
Matthew 22: 35 And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

they did not in any way change what GOD wrote don't offend GOD in any way and treat your fellow man in a manner that you would like to be treated. LOVE

What I have been shown concerning the tear in the curtain is that upon the death of Christ, GOD gave all power and authority over to him concerning human salvation and that GOD would no longer talk to mankind except through his Son Jesus the Christ. LOVE

the tear in the curtain represents our acceptance now to God. it was torn from top to bottom.

I am not going to go over things point by point here, but I have a different understanding of the events than you do

thanks

May the understanding GOD has given to you be your guide on your path of rightousnous.
2 Corinthians 5:9 So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
LOVE in Christ.

 

[pomeranian]

Hello Pomeranian, if you believe that the Decalogue is the only portion of the Bible that's inspired/breathed by God, then why are you citing other portions of it as if they are authoritative as well Why would you ever, "go to Scripture", about anything if you believe that 99.9% of the Bible amounts to nothing more than, at best, men's uninspired musings about the Divine?

Finally, why do you believe that Jesus and the Apostles so consistently did so ... cite the Bible as authoritative, that is ... saying "it is written" and making other, similar statements throughout the NT as a means of demonstrating that their teachings could be trusted?

Thanks!

~Deut

Clarity please, I believe the 10 Commandments are the only scripture actually written by GOD himself. I believe all scripture is GOD breathed=meaning ALL scripture is alive with the breath of GOD. I believe the Spirit of GOD give us understanding of his living WORD.
I also believe because the majority of scripture is written by men it contains human error and because Satan is the ruler of this earth and humans are easily influenced by him he has purposely placed "holes or inaccuracies" within it and has done so to cause separation of GOD's people from both GOD and each other. The Jews were GOD's chosen people a people he personally cleansed in order that they might bring forth mankind's Savior; and when I say to you indeed Satan was in the midst of the Israelites when they built a golden calf, you believe this and when I say Satan indeed was in the garden when Eve ate of the forbidden fruit, again you believe me. Why because the foundation of your belief system tells you I am truthful. But if I say Satan influences men through inaccuracies within their writings that have caused death and bickering and fighting and judment among GOD's people you think I'm not of GOD. Which foundation is stronger the Holy Spirit of GOD Almighty or Scripture. LOVE is the answer.

 

[pomeranian]

Hello Pomeranian, if you believe that the Decalogue is the only portion of the Bible that's inspired/breathed by God, then why are you citing other portions of it as if they are authoritative as well Why would you ever, "go to Scripture", about anything if you believe that 99.9% of the Bible amounts to nothing more than, at best, men's uninspired musings about the Divine?

Finally, why do you believe that Jesus and the Apostles so consistently did so ... cite the Bible as authoritative, that is ... saying "it is written" and making other, similar statements throughout the NT as a means of demonstrating that their teachings could be trusted?

Thanks!

~Deut

All scripture is GOD breathed, Scripture by this definition is more than just any simple writing; it is alive and GOD has given it life. But just as GOD has given mankind life with his breath does not make mankind perfect. Only the Spirit can help man to be pure likewise only the Spirit can puify the Scriptures. LOVE

 

[pomeranian]

Hello again Pomeranian, Exodus 20:16's, "You shall not רָצַח"/"murder", prohibits an individual from the unlawful taking another individual's life. However, "You shall not רָצַח", is not a prohibition against a government's lawful choice & duty to מוּת "put to death" .. Exodus 21:15-17 criminals who have broken their laws and done harm to their citizens.

~Deut

This is not from GOD.

 

[pomeranian]

Though we can know a number of things about who God is/what He is like from studying the 10 Commandments, how can we know any of the rest of the things that you mentioned above (that God is the Creator, for instance, that we have an enemy named Satan and that he has an army of demons who stand against both God and us, that we have a Savior named Jesus, that God is love and that He has chosen to love us, etc.) by way of the Decalogue alone

Thanks!

~Deut

John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
The Holy Spirit of GOD my friend LOVE is the answer

 

[pomeranian]

You are assuming that Moses created that law without the permission of God.. Or rather you want to believe that Moses created that law in opposition to God.. That way you can then use the Scriptures as a smorgasbord taking the teachings you like and casting away the teaching that you dislike..

Such is the way of those creating their own religion.. Their personal religion..

Don't all religions practice this policy from Judaism, to Catholic, to Protestant and onward they pick and chose only scriptures that confirm their practices and deny the rest.... I oppose this practice If you want the truth in scripture base it "souly" on the guidelines of the Holy Spirit, the 10 commandments or the 4 corroborated testimonies of the words of Christ. Any scripture that disagrees with GOD or Christ is not from GOD very simple. I have no religion, nor will I write a book, nor will I ask for money for sharing GOD's word. GOD his Spirit and the body of Christ are my faith; the Spirit of GOD within me uses scripture for teaching and correction. LOVE

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Clarity please, I believe the 10 Commandments are the only scripture actually written by GOD himself. I believe all scripture is GOD breathed=meaning ALL scripture is alive with the breath of GOD. I believe the Spirit of GOD give us understanding of his living WORD.
I also believe because the majority of scripture is written by men it contains human error and because Satan is the ruler of this earth and humans are easily influenced by him he has purposely placed "holes or inaccuracies" within it and has done so to cause separation of GOD's people from both GOD and each other. The Jews were GOD's chosen people a people he personally cleansed in order that they might bring forth mankind's Savior; and when I say to you indeed Satan was in the midst of the Israelites when they built a golden calf, you believe this and when I say Satan indeed was in the garden when Eve ate of the forbidden fruit, again you believe me. Why because the foundation of your belief system tells you I am truthful. But if I say Satan influences men through inaccuracies within their writings that have caused death and bickering and fighting and judment among GOD's people you think I'm not of GOD. Which foundation is stronger the Holy Spirit of GOD Almighty or Scripture. LOVE is the answer.

Definitely a false prophet. Use non sequacious logic to create doubt or confusion is definitely the work of satan.
First call scripture God breathed and then say those same writing have errors influenced by satan, because God used man to write them is obfuscation.
Either God breathed those words and his spirit caused men to write them or man influenced by satan wrote those words.
You make the comparison to the Pharisees law, I guess you haven't noticed but their additions to scripture aren't in the scriptures they are in other writings, writings by men, not under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

 

[pomeranian]

John 1
In the begining was the word, the word was with God and the word was God.
The power behind the scripture is God the Holy spirit.
There is no error in scripture, any inconsistency is error on the part of the reader. I have seen those websites and they mis interpret scripture intentionally to deceive others and reinforce their sinful lusts.
There are so many heresies that have come out of the "emotional experience with God' movement other wise known as revivalism; all those tele charlatans.
This has served to make a mockery of the Gospel.
Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. Therefore many of them believed, along with a number of prominent Greek women and men.
Acts 17:11‭-‬12 NASB

The scriptures, not their feelings or experiences.

I believe you to be a false prophet.

You could be wrong you have been before. LOVE in Christ

 

[Locoponydirtman]

You could be wrong you have been before. LOVE in Christ

But the scriptures aren't, and never have been.

 

[pomeranian]

There were several pitfalls for the leaders under the law or ot.
1) they were in a covenant that was being superceeded right under their noses. (The ole forest < > tree deal)
2)they were hamstrung spiritually. Even JTB had to be reassured in his faith crisis when by spiritual revelation he himself intriduced the messiah to the world.
3) the irony of ironies that they used the word to " correct " and kill the living word.

Some of the things said in your posts need clarification.

Now,in your dream,it may have been as you say.
But i think you er in the interpretation.
I believe your dream has a general sense,not to be looked into too deeply.
I believe you overworked it in your interpretation.

For example the wedding feast parable. We see one in the feast without a garment.
It is possible to lose the meaning with endless speculation.
IOW keep it simple.
When i know the message,the specifics become clear.
It is like me bringing in an illustration to a point i make,and some obtuse ones picking it apart in false micromanaging specifics,taking it into the twilight zone.

We do that you know.

Thank- you for your thoughts they are given with love. The interpretation was not mine; I truly do not have that knowledge. I was also shown that had I failed and fell to sin even in my dream that would have given Satan admission to the vision and allowed him to create confusion and misinterpretation. LOVE

 

[pomeranian]

But the scriptures aren't, and never have been.

Jesus the Living WORD of GOD disagrees with you, in the scriptures?

 

[Leastamongmany]

All scripture is GOD breathed, Scripture by this definition is more than just any simple writing; it is alive and GOD has given it life. But just as GOD has given mankind life with his breath does not make mankind perfect. Only the Spirit can help man to be pure likewise only the Spirit can puify the Scriptures. LOVE

Sister Pom,Greetings and blessings! I will say this,I know the word that we have today is a translation by scholarly men chosen by King James. I will say also there may be some differences in the translation from the original text,but I believe the Holy Spirit is the definitive guide into ALL the truths in the written word! He will not lead us astray nor leave us in darkness. I pray for His illumination when I read scripture,accepting and expecting His accuracy in revealations! Our walk is personal between God and each of us. Whatever or however God speaks with you or reveals unto you,I would say pray,measure it against the scriptures and try the spirit. God does not lead us into darkness,He does not reveal against His word,and it is His will that none should perish. Please remember these are open forums for public viewing,therefore there will many who will share their opinions and interpetations. Some have been revealed but God,others taught by man! Pray always that He speak with us all thru the guide He sent us. I pray for your ulifting,your guidance and your peace and love to abound! Blessings!

 

[Adstar]

Don't all religions practice this policy from Judaism, to Catholic, to Protestant and onward they pick and chose only scriptures that confirm their practices and deny the rest....

I cannot say all.. But i would say most.. But i do not like to deal with people as members of a denominational group.. I deal with people as individuals on a doctrine by doctrine basis.. I focus on the Holy Bible and seek to learn it and believe it.. I was born into a catholic family and was a Sunday mass goer with my family and served 10 years as an alter boy every Sunday.. But when i read the Bible for the first time when i was in my early 20's i could not go to mass anymore. I got out of that denomination..

I oppose this practice If you want the truth in scripture base it "souly" on the guidelines of the Holy Spirit, the 10 commandments or the 4 corroborated testimonies of the words of Christ. Any scripture that disagrees with GOD or Christ is not from GOD very simple.

The letters after the 4 Gospels are also inspired scripture.. But apart from that point yes all both OT and NT is inspired by God and needs to be taken in as a whole.. It was a revelation of Gods will delivered gradually over many generations..

I have no religion, nor will I write a book, nor will I ask for money for sharing GOD's word. GOD his Spirit and the body of Christ are my faith; the Spirit of GOD within me uses scripture for teaching and correction. LOVE

Well i know many people have a problem with the word ""Religon"" But that word only means you have a set of beliefs in regard to God.. I have a set of beliefs in regard to God and you have a set of beliefs in regard to God so both of us have our religion..

 

[Absolutely]

Thank- you for your thoughts they are given with love. The interpretation was not mine; I truly do not have that knowledge. I was also shown that had I failed and fell to sin even in my dream that would have given Satan admission to the vision and allowed him to create confusion and misinterpretation. LOVE

Ok,your starting place or approach need not put such heavy emphasis on mans distortion of the written word.
Because i say,God is able to hand his church a perfect hand book. It is his testimony.
What authenticated Jesus?
Several things.
But the fact is God authenticated him.
Same with the bible. God authenticated his book.
If we do a study,i will be on the high ground. I believe it is the word of God.

I just came oit of a bible study where some pauline guy came in to unsettle that very thing. The inerrant accuracy of the bible.
He lost,but his seed was planted.
I only listen to the great men of God.
Hardly any modern ones.

Having things to unlearn clutters up my harmony.
There is a harmony in the bible. Heavens harmony.
In that harmony animal death,human death and the death of the God Man.
Lots of death. But in your thoughts,or i should say the same approach you use,is another "obsticle" you have not factored in.
The geneologies.
They are humanly impossible,right along with those "players" individual testimonies.
See,it all had to happen exactly like it "went down"

Remember,Jesus was "slain from the foundation of the world"
Now play out that depth.
What we have is Gods ETERNAL TESTIMONY.
That testimony involved mans creation,fall,and redemption.
IOW,That book was written before adam.

It is the word and testimony of God.

 

[Absolutely]

The bible was written before adam