Works can NEVER earn salvation

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eternally-gratefull

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That's true. And it says "that is what some of you were" in v.11. So the ones who still ARE, they were not santified or justified YET.
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No, read 1 corinthians, some of them STILL SINNED.

They were no longer numbered with the sinners, they were numbered with Christ. Thats what saved them, NOT because they stopped those sins.

If it was. Paul would have said, such were some of you. But now you stopped your sins and no longer live those lived, He did not.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
No, read 1 corinthians, some of them STILL SINNED.

They were no longer numbered with the sinners, they were numbered with Christ. Thats what saved them, NOT because they stopped those sins.

If it was. Paul would have said, such were some of you. But now you stopped your sins and no longer live those lived, He did not.
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We all are sinners from the very moment we are born, cause that is what we get from Adam and Eve, our human first parents. There is not way we can scape from that trend (?), cause it is in our own very cells ... The blood of Jesus can prevent that from harming us and that we are not judged in the sense of being born sinners ... The blood of Jesus can even erase sins that are due to human weaknesses, if there is repentance and a desire to give the back to those practices and reform ourselves ... The blood of Jesus does NOT cleanse from willful sins, nor to people who continue to sin time after time and do not wish to abandon those practices. The passage says THAT IS WHAT SOME OF YOU WERE ... I think you are the one who should read the passage better.
 
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We all are sinners from the very moment we are born, cause that is what we get from Adam and Eve, our human first parents. There is not way we can scape from that trend (?), cause it is in our own very cells ... The blood of Jesus can prevent that from harming us and that we are not judged in the sense of being born sinners ... The blood of Jesus can even erase sins that are due to human weaknesses, if there is repentance and a desire to give the back to those practices and reform ourselves ... The blood of Jesus does NOT cleanse from willful sins, nor to people who continue to sin time after time and do not wish to abandon those practices. The passage says THAT IS WHAT SOME OF YOU WERE ... I think you are the one who should read the passage better.
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Lol

I hate to say it man, Bit the blood of jesus washes ALL SIN if you read the law, even unwillful sin required blood sacrifice. And the day of atonement (whcih jesus fulfilled) payed for every sin for the past year.

If you think you never sin now, you are in serious trouble my friend. I suggest you study 1 John 1: 8
 
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The conclusion of the matter, we are declared righteous not because of the law. but by faith...
Acts 13:39
and by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galatians 2:16
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified bythe faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring usunto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
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and this means follow the law or do not follow the law?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Lol

I hate to say it man, Bit the blood of jesus washes ALL SIN if you read the law, even unwillful sin required blood sacrifice. And the day of atonement (whcih jesus fulfilled) payed for every sin for the past year.

If you think you never sin now, you are in serious trouble my friend. I suggest you study 1 John 1: 8
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I don't think I don't sin now, those are your words ... not mine. I do a big effort NOT to do things that displease God and I surely do a lot that still displease Him, and sure it is I am repenting of those and fighting to not practice that kind of things ... I got my weaknesses like everybody does too. It is not about not sinning, but about not doing it willingly. The point is this:

1 John 3:4 Everyone who practices sin is also practicing lawlessness, and so sin is lawlessness. 5 YOU know too that that one was made manifest to take away [our] sins, and there is no sin in him. 6 Everyone remaining in union with him does not practice sin; no one that practices sin has either seen him or come to know him. 7 Little children, let no one mislead YOU; he who carries on righteousness is righteous, just as that one is righteous. 8 He who carries on sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from [the] beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was made manifest, namely, to break up the works of the Devil.

Sinning is one thing, PRACTICING SIN is a different thing. It is about willing to practice or willing to fight against it (in the case of someone who has a weakness that is very difficult to him to avoid). There are people who don't mind continuing to practice sin.
 
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I don't think I don't sin now, those are your words ... not mine. I do a big effort NOT to do things that displease God and I surely do a lot that still displease Him, and sure it is I am repenting of those and fighting to not practice that kind of things ... I got my weaknesses like everybody does too. It is not about not sinning, but about not doing it willingly. The point is this:

1 John 3:4 Everyone who practices sin is also practicing lawlessness, and so sin is lawlessness. 5 YOU know too that that one was made manifest to take away [our] sins, and there is no sin in him. 6 Everyone remaining in union with him does not practice sin; no one that practices sin has either seen him or come to know him. 7 Little children, let no one mislead YOU; he who carries on righteousness is righteous, just as that one is righteous. 8 He who carries on sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from [the] beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was made manifest, namely, to break up the works of the Devil.

Sinning is one thing, PRACTICING SIN is a different thing. It is about willing to practice or willing to fight against it (in the case of someone who has a weakness that is very difficult to him to avoid). There are people who don't mind continuing to practice sin.
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Thank you

A child of God can not practice sin.

Whoever sins has never seen God or known him.

You spoke of willful sin, Not practicing sin. Huge difference. You think you do not sin willfully, you are in trouble
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Thank you

A child of God can not practice sin.

Whoever sins has never seen God or known him.

You spoke of willful sin, Not practicing sin. Huge difference. You think you do not sin willfully, you are in trouble
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:) You want to put me in "trouble" any way ... that's funny, since you are not the one to judge anybody.

If a christian in the first century practice sin willingly (sins "of death") they were expelled from the congregation. They were supossed to change to be real followers of Jesus. If we practice same things as not-christians do, what is the difference among they and us?
 
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:) You want to put me in "trouble" any way ... that's funny, since you are not the one to judge anybody.
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I did not say I put you in trouble.. You should not assume things.
If a christian in the first century practice sin willingly (sins "of death") they were expelled from the congregation. They were supossed to change to be real followers of Jesus. If we practice same things as not-christians do, what is the difference among they and us?
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Sins of death? If a 1st centruty christian commited a sin of death they died. And were buried

Its no different today, You get drunk, and try to drive, and die in a car crash, you suffered the result of yoru sin.. If you did not die. What did Paul say we should do?


What you should do is learn what true sin is, you will see, i=it is not what you think it is. (Remember, the word sin “hamarte” literally means to miss the mark, or miss the guideline set by God. [/QUOTE]
 
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1 John 5:16 If anyone catches sight of his brother sinning a sin that does not incur death, he will ask, and he will give life to him, yes, to those not sinning so as to incur death. There is a sin that does incur death. It is concerning that sin that I do not tell him to make request. 17 All unrighteousness is sin; and yet there is a sin that does not incur death.
 
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1 John 5:16 If anyone catches sight of his brother sinning a sin that does not incur death, he will ask, and he will give life to him, yes, to those not sinning so as to incur death. There is a sin that does incur death. It is concerning that sin that I do not tell him to make request. 17 All unrighteousness is sin; and yet there is a sin that does not incur death.
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Think about it

How can you SEE a person spiritually die? You can not

This can ONLY be speaking of physical death.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Think about it

How can you SEE a person spiritually die? You can not

This can ONLY be speaking of physical death.
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I don't think on those words the same way you do. In first century there was a clear difference on sinning, what was a deadly sin (spiritual death) and other kind of sins. There is a way of seing when one person is spiritually dead ... at least in the first century they knew. ;)
 
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so its ok to go out and kill people?
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show me where I said that?
Admitting one can not keep a sandard is not saying it is ok to break it just because you can not keep it
Your want to use that to justify what you think I say, thats on you.

EVERY SINS CAUSES US TO DESERVE DEATH.
 
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I don't think on those words the same way you do. In first century there was a clear difference on sinning, what was a deadly sin (spiritual death) and other kind of sins. There is a way of seing when one person is spiritually dead ... at least in the first century they knew. ;)
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You do not think the way the bible says

You can not see a person die spiritually. So you can not see a person committing a sin which leads to death inless they die physically.

Sometimes common sense need to be used.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
show me where I said that?
Admitting one can not keep a sandard is not saying it is ok to break it just because you can not keep it
Your want to use that to justify what you think I say, thats on you.

EVERY SINS CAUSES US TO DESERVE DEATH.
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so we have to obey the law?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
You do not think the way the bible says

You can not see a person die spiritually. So you can not see a person committing a sin which leads to death inless they die physically.

Sometimes common sense need to be used.
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Or you are talking about what YOU think is "common sense" OR you are talking about what Bible says ... and this is what Bible says:

1 John 5:16 If anyone catches sight of his brother sinning a sin that does not incur death, he will ask, and he will give life to him, yes, to those not sinning so as to incur death. There is a sin that does incur death. It is concerning that sin that I do not tell him to make request. 17 All unrighteousness is sin; and yet there is a sin that does not incur death.

I don't need your "common sense" ... I got my own to understand what John is saying with these inspired words.
 
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Or you are talking about what YOU think is "common sense" OR you are talking about what Bible says ... and this is what Bible says:

1 John 5:16 If anyone catches sight of his brother sinning a sin that does not incur death, he will ask, and he will give life to him, yes, to those not sinning so as to incur death. There is a sin that does incur death. It is concerning that sin that I do not tell him to make request. 17 All unrighteousness is sin; and yet there is a sin that does not incur death.

I don't need your "common sense" ... I got my own to understand what John is saying with these inspired words.
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I only go by what the bible says,

You can not see a person die spiritually

You can only see a person die physically

So there is no truth in what you think..
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I only go by what the bible says,

You can not see a person die spiritually

You can only see a person die physically

So there is no truth in what you think..
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I understand what you are saying, but you are trying to apply common sense in an incomplete way ... John is talking about praying for others to help them with their sins (other matter to talk about) ... It is "common sense" that he is not talking about dead people, but about alive people who are commiting sins that carries death. Nobody would consider praying on favor of dead people ... at least not for me, cause I don't have that belief of praying for dead people or doing something on favor of them.
 
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