Discernment in visions and dreams

[7seasrekeyed]

This is funny. Magenta made a comment yesterday and I was going to respond to her...

This is just a disguise so when “they” are rounding up the Christians, I won’t get caught.

haha

looks like they might be rounding up my husky then!

(see avatar)

 

[Nehemiah6]

You must be Baptized ( the final step of the sin cleansing process)

Water DOES NOT was away sins and guilt. Only the blood of Christ can do that.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Water DOES NOT was away sins and guilt. Only the blood of Christ can do that.

not sure how this fits into the op, but it's certainly true

 

[stonesoffire]

Years ago I was searching out the menaing of Joshua to possible find the foundation .Which many times is a continuation of the gospel from one generation to the next. Looking at the name Nun (from the parent plant.) it takes on the meaning of re- sprout (the born again seed.)

Joshua 1 King James Version (KJV)1 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the Lord it came to pass, that the Lord spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying,

I looked at that word many years ago and only saw perpetuity. Hats off to you. I can see now even more so that those saints of old like Joshua were sprouts too. We will live forever.

But, where did they go when they died? Now this is another mystery. Surely they weren’t in the righteous part of hell? Where did Elijah go in that chariot? Questions questions! Enquiring minds!

 

[stonesoffire]

She'll be the one walking with Jesus, then again, it may just be a photo of someone else.

Yes. Call me Fran. Inside joke. I miss her by the way. She livened up the not by works thread.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

not sure how this fits into the op, but it's certainly true

oh

have that dude on ignore

makes sense now

never mind

 

[Dino246]

I answered it. You could end up reading or he could bring to out minds that which he has taught us. The living hope of a new incorruptible body is never of us or in respect to these corrupted bodies. . That would be those who went out from us , The bible defines the us in Him, not our private interpretation, as they that did do out..

1 John 2:19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us

The question has nothing to do with 'the living hope of a new incorruptible body' etc., and so your quoted verse is irrelevant.

 

[Dino246]

You offered your interpretation as I . I do not think scriptures identify it in that way ..

You're welcome to your opinion, wrong as it is. When someone tells you that your opinion is simply wrong, and shows you with appropriate evidence that your opinion is wrong, you are a fool to continue to hold the same opinion.

Still waiting for your answer of the law in respect to the doctrine of tongues in regard to the outward sign that the whole world could see . Does the sign confirm belief or unbelief?

When you can show how Cornelius speaking in tongues confirms unbelief, then I will say more in response to your question.

It (1 Corinthians 14:22-23) sets the standard for all outward signs (the sign of rebellion)

No, it doesn't. Those two verses say nothing about "all outward signs". You're adding to Scripture... again.

Prophecy for those who believe. The one source of Christian faith. Signs for those who believe not.

Tongues is prophecy. . . if not then what is it, and what would it do as a purpose.?

You distinguish them yourself, and yet somehow you can't see that they are distinct. That is baffling.

Here are your words, slightly rearranged, to demonstrate your error:

"Tongues is prophecy"
"Prophecy [is] for those who believe"
Therefore, "Tongues [is] for those who believe"

So either you believe that speaking in tongues IS for those who do believe,

OR

tongues and prophecy are not the same thing.

Take your pick.

 

[stonesoffire]

Years ago I was searching out the menaing of Joshua to possible find the foundation .Which many times is a continuation of the gospel from one generation to the next. Looking at the name Nun (from the parent plant.) it takes on the meaning of re- sprout (the born again seed.)

Joshua 1 King James Version (KJV)1 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the Lord it came to pass, that the Lord spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying,

I am enjoying this live broadcast from JGLM.org

I listened. And will listen again. Awesome!

 

[stonesoffire]

......and They have paid a price...haven't they?...and will continue to pay...as we will see.
I prefer to not be a rebel.

Are you saying we need not live a righteous life. Surely not.

COMMANDING one to live a righteous life never worked is what I said.

 

[Nehemiah6]

But, where did they go when they died? Now this is another mystery. Surely they weren’t in the righteous part of hell?

Surely they were. Sheol/Hades had one section for the righteous dead, and a separate section for the unrighteous dead.

Where did Elijah go in that chariot?

That's a no-brainer. The Bible says that he went to Heaven.

 

[stonesoffire]

Surely they were. Sheol/Hades had one section for the righteous dead, and a separate section for the unrighteous dead.

That's a no-brainer. The Bible says that he went to Heaven.

Does it? Thanks. I must of skipped over that. It’s been quite a while since I read it.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Does it? Thanks. I must of skipped over that. It’s been quite a while since I read it.

And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal... And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (2 Kings 2:1,11)

In spite of these two clear statements, there are some who refuse to believe that Elijah went to Heaven. There are others who refuse to believe that Enoch went to Heaven. And then there are others who refuse to believe that all the OT saints along with the NT saints who have passed on are now in Heaven, in the presence of God and Christ.

 

[garee]

And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal... And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (2 Kings 2:1,11)

In spite of these two clear statements, there are some who refuse to believe that Elijah went to Heaven. There are others who refuse to believe that Enoch went to Heaven. And then there are others who refuse to believe that all the OT saints along with the NT saints who have passed on are now in Heaven, in the presence of God and Christ.

I believe all saints go to heaven in the same way not in or of the corrupted flesh and blood. But in the Spirit of Elijah. the Spirit of Christ.The Spirit John that Baptist came in or you or I.

Flesh and blood could never enter.

 

[garee]

You're welcome to your opinion, wrong as it is. When someone tells you that your opinion is simply wrong, and shows you with appropriate evidence that your opinion is wrong, you are a fool to continue to hold the same opinion.

Still waiting for you to identify what the "sign" confirms in 1 Corinthians 14:22-23.and give me your idea what tongues are and the purpose seeing you say it is not prophecy? Just a self edifying unknown wonderment?

So far you have not given anything that would make me change the law as to its foundation of the doctrine of tongues.

 

[garee]

When you can show how Cornelius speaking in tongues confirms unbelief, then I will say more in response to your question.

Who said Cornelius speaking in tongues confirms unbelief? You are confusing your belief that tongues are not prophecy with the fact they are. Tongues confirm prophecy .The sign of tongues those who believe not prophecy.

 

[garee]

You distinguish them yourself, and yet somehow you can't see that they are distinct. That is baffling.

Here are your words, slightly rearranged, to demonstrate your error:

"Tongues is prophecy"
"Prophecy [is] for those who believe"
Therefore, "Tongues [is] for those who believe"

So either you believe that speaking in tongues IS for those who do believe,

OR

tongues and prophecy are not the same thing.

Take your pick.

You left out the "sign" part of the doctrine .They are not the same thing.

Therefore tongues as prophecy in respect to the sign confirm those who "believe not prophecy". Yet for all that they still refuse to believe prophecy... and fall backward as part of the sign .....making the unbeliever the focus of the sign ..not those who do believe prophecy

Study....1 Corinthians 14:22-23

No such thing as "sign gift". You will not find those two words working together they oppose each other. Never compliment each other

Spiritual gift not seen yes. Prophecy the tongue of God for those who do have faith as a sign .

Signs are for those who rebel .A evil generation, natural unconverted mankind seeks after them .

What are you seeking after?

 

[Dino246]

Who said Cornelius speaking in tongues confirms unbelief?

You did, and here you do it again:

You are confusing your belief that tongues are not prophecy with the fact they are. Tongues confirm prophecy .The sign of tongues those who believe not prophecy.

I assure you; I'm not confused at all, whereas you are wrapping yourself in knots trying to prove me wrong.

If "the sign of tongues" confirms "those who believe not prophecy" then who was the unbeliever in the case of Cornelius?

 

[Dino246]

You left out the "sign" part of the doctrine .They are not the same thing.

I left nothing out. I used your words, adding only enough additional words to make complete sentences.

.....making the unbeliever the focus of the sign ..not those who do believe prophecy

Who was the unbeliever in Acts 10, when Cornelius spoke in tongues?

No such thing as "sign gift". You will not find those two words working together they oppose each other. Never compliment each other

Both speaking in tongues and prophecy are called "gifts" in 1 Corinthians 12. Both are called "signs" in 1 Corinthians 14. The two concepts do not oppose each other.

Spiritual gift not seen yes. Prophecy the tongue of God for those who do have faith as a sign .

Where in Scripture does it clearly state that spiritual gifts are not seen?

Signs are for those who rebel .

Mary was given a sign. Was she a rebel?

 

[garee]

You did, and here you do it again.

I did what again properly distinguish between tongues 'prophecy' the doctrine, and those who refused to hear prophecy the tongue of God as a outward sign against them?

Two different apposing things. . signs and doctrine.(prophecy) The believers new tongue that preaches the gospel.. it as it is written can raise the dead

What do you think the law in respect to the sign confirms?

If "the sign of tongues" confirms "those who believe not prophecy" then who was the unbeliever in the case of Cornelius?

Who said anything about the unbeliever in the case of Cornelius? You keep bringing it up it has no bearing at all. Believers and unbelievers (no faith) are effected by prophecy. Some believe by exercising their new faith other do not. To some we are the sweet fragrance of new spirit life to others the smell of death of the false doctrine they hold as a sign against them .

Prophecy in any language is for those who do believe(faithful ) . Rejecting prophecy in any langue is for those who beleive not (faithless)