Works can NEVER earn salvation

[FollowHisSteps]

I am no worry about people sin, I am worry about bible teaching that say thief not go to heaven while most people say thief only reduce reward but still go to heaven, why people not believe Bible?

Amen. Scripture teaches as you declare

9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6

Some do not know scripture yet mock and make fun of believers who simply state what God teaches.
God help these blind teachers, who in the pomposity mock Gods people.

But then it is not difficult to answer such arrogance, as us humble folk desire to be taught by God and
learn from His the way we should walk, Praise the Lord.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Why did you not finish the passage? Can you share where it tells us...

1. When they stopped these sins
2. When they cleansed themselves
3. Who actually did the cleaning?
4. Who did the justifying?
5. Who did the sanctifying?

1 cor 6: 11
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[jaybird88]

Lol

Ok I am done

I guess your education level is not up to par?

If we can not keep the law. We will break it

If I say will is that not yes

Your question is not even valid.

We can not keep the law as required there is no yes or no about it. If you can’t keep it. It means you will break it

yes we can break the law? so now the reason Jesus came is so we can go out and commit murder?

Does it matter? Is there any other way under heaven whereby we must be saved?

Moses Paul and James said 1 sin causes ya to be cursed by the law are they correct or not

there is no other way, but some believe 'the way" to mean different things. some think any one not a "mainstream" Christian is not part of the way. very narrow minded.
Moses, James and Paul were right, a sin can curse you, the bible even explains what this means, if you sin and dont repent and ask for forgiveness, you could be cursed. sin leads to more sin. sin is the curse, not the law. dont murder is a good thing, its not a curse to not murder.

 

[jaybird88]

For the record

It is NOT ok to break the law. That is what someone is trying to get me to say. That is not tue. And if he comes and says I think it is ok to break the law, he is a liar

in other words a Christian has to keep the law, well said.

 

[jaybird88]

You are not able to keep the law to be save. law demands you do all if you don't you cannot be save.

thats not what scripture says, your twisting it, like you guys did with the James teaching that i explained, to say if you make one mistake you can never be forgiven and go straight to hell, the Father has always forgiven those that come to Him for forgiveness.

In our case, we can't do it, Christ alone did it. Paul summarizes, we cannot be save by doing the Law.

IMO Jesus did not come down here so we could go out and do what we will freely. thats exactly what the church (one of the 7) in revelation did and Jesus was not to happy with them, but i thought they had grace? apparently not.
this is the problem with taking Paul, and Paul alone without confirming his teaching elsewhere, preferably Jesus, in scripture. Peter said people get easily confused by Paul, this is confirmed today by all the oddball doctrines, angel language, no women, grace alone, etc, that come from Pauls teachings but are no where else in scripture.

 

[Jackson123]

Why did you not finish the passage? Can you share where it tells us...

1. When they stopped these sins
2. When they cleansed themselves
3. Who actually did the cleaning?
4. Who did the justifying?
5. Who did the sanctifying?

1 cor 6: 11
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

1 you can stop sinning as soon as posible
2. God do the cleanig but you have to abide in Him. So up to you to accept His cleaning

On the last judgment if Jesus say, you not inherit the kingdom because you stealing
You can not blame god

God I am stealing because you not clean me.

Jesus say, read 1 cor 6

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

You are thief and not go to heaven

You keep say, I am a thief because you not clean me, so it is your false

Jesus say read john 15

I am not clean you because you not abide in me

Jesus clean,sanctified if we abide in Him

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1 you can stop sinning as soon as posible

John says if we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves.

Are you deceived?

 

[Jackson123]

Amen. Scripture teaches as you declare

9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6

Some do not know scripture yet mock and make fun of believers who simply state what God teaches.
God help these blind teachers, who in the pomposity mock Gods people.

But then it is not difficult to answer such arrogance, as us humble folk desire to be taught by God and
learn from His the way we should walk, Praise the Lord.

Yep the word is cristal clear, stealing not go to heaven, but people tend to make it easier to go to heaven than what the Bible say. I wish it is happen and every thief, murderer no need repent and go to heaven, but it is not what Bible say

 

[Jackson123]

John says if we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves.

Are you deceived?

So you believe stop sinning is deceived?

In that case keep stealing till you die to make you go to heaven

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you believe stop sinning is deceived?

In that case keep stealing till you die to make you go to heaven

I believe what john said

If anyone says they are without sin they are deceived.

 

[fredoheaven]

I did Not say it James did in 5:20,as did Peter in 1 Pet 4:8

Ok,,the love in action shall cover the multitudes of sins which Peter quoted Proverbs 10:12. When I am still kid in the faith, I used to to used a simple Bible study method which help me a lot. Using to ask WH questions to understand his words.

Application:
1 Peter 4:8 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

1. To whom this was address?
2. What is the passage is talking about?
3. Why Charity covers the multitude of sins?
4. How Charity cover sins? etc.

Example answer of No. 1 - i believe, he is speaking to the believers"among yourselves" who are scattered throughout Puntos Galatia, Cappodacia, Asia and Bithynia. So I believe the passage speaks to among themselves. He is never speaking of unbelievers or false teachers bringing damnable things. God has given us understanding to know what's right and wrong, deception etc. so we can avoid them. As a matter of fact, some of here teaches false gospel and they try to undermine the grace of God so that the passage is not applicable to them. If we love them, tell them the truth anyway. If he fails our admonition then, we do not consent them.

God bless

 

[fredoheaven]

thats not what scripture says, your twisting it, like you guys did with the James teaching that i explained, to say if you make one mistake you can never be forgiven and go straight to hell, the Father has always forgiven those that come to Him for forgiveness.

IMO Jesus did not come down here so we could go out and do what we will freely. thats exactly what the church (one of the 7) in revelation did and Jesus was not to happy with them, but i thought they had grace? apparently not.
this is the problem with taking Paul, and Paul alone without confirming his teaching elsewhere, preferably Jesus, in scripture. Peter said people get easily confused by Paul, this is confirmed today by all the oddball doctrines, angel language, no women, grace alone, etc, that come from Pauls teachings but are no where else in scripture.

The conclusion of the matter, we are declared righteous not because of the law. but by faith...
Acts 13:39
and by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galatians 2:16
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified bythe faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring usunto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

 

[fredoheaven]

1 you can stop sinning as soon as posible
2. God do the cleanig but you have to abide in Him. So up to you to accept His cleaning

On the last judgment if Jesus say, you not inherit the kingdom because you stealing
You can not blame god

God I am stealing because you not clean me.

Jesus say, read 1 cor 6

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

You are thief and not go to heaven

You keep say, I am a thief because you not clean me, so it is your false

Jesus say read john 15

I am not clean you because you not abide in me

Jesus clean,sanctified if we abide in Him

Why do you want to steal if you have been born again? Are we born again to steal? The passage tells us that the unrighteous have nothing to do with the kingdom of God, so Paul is admonishing them not to do unrighteousness like stealing because it is not a good testimony and affects the church. If someone does the stealing then he is not glorifying God.

 

[Jackson123]

I believe what john said

If anyone says they are without sin they are deceived.

Yep, but is that mean john john do not want you to repent and keep stealing go to heaven?

 

[Jackson123]

Why do you want to steal if you have been born again? Are we born again to steal? The passage tells us that the unrighteous have nothing to do with the kingdom of God, so Paul is admonishing them not to do unrighteousness like stealing because it is not a good testimony and affects the church. If someone does the stealing then he is not glorifying God.

Yep, born again hate sin, but some time fall into sin.

So if we fall into sin, stop and repent

 

[Jackson123]

The conclusion of the matter, we are declared righteous not because of the law. but by faith...
Acts 13:39
and by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galatians 2:16
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified bythe faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring usunto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Justified by law some time wrong

For example if a man commit adultery And according to Moses law, that man must stone to death

But there are some man commit adultery in his heart. The law of Moses can not do anything

But God see your faith, Jesus say if you see a woman and in your heart you want to have sex with her, you are commit adultery


So god judge your faith or your heart that kind of judgment is impossible done by human, because human do not know what is in your heart

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yep, but is that mean john john do not want you to repent and keep stealing go to heaven?

Nope

John meant that everyone will sin, so stop excusing your own sin or judging other people and take care of yourself

 

[Jackson123]

Nope

John meant that everyone will sin, so stop excusing your own sin or judging other people and take care of yourself

But john do not say stealing go to heaven.

If I repeat what is in the bible
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Is that mean I judge other?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But john do not say stealing go to heaven.

If I repeat what is in the bible
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Is that mean I judge other?

And john said theifs were washed sanctified and justified by Christ.

You love the one verse, but totally ignore the verses which follow it.

 

[Eli12]

And john said theifs were washed sanctified and justified by Christ.

You love the one verse, but totally ignore the verses which follow it.

That's true. And it says "that is what some of you were" in v.11. So the ones who still ARE, they were not santified or justified YET.