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Alister Begg was invoking the term "hope" in a sermon I downloaded yesterday. He meant well of course, but indeed it was cringe-worthy because of it. Too bad really. IMO improper use of the term "hope" is a minor form of intimidation. Tragic and unnecessary. Really puts a damper on the rejoicing when used incorrectly.
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You yourself are adding to the CONFUSION, NOT GOD.
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
6 I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
2 John 1:2 (HCSB)
2 because of the truth that remains in us and will be with us forever.
2 Timothy 2:19 (HCSB)
19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, having this inscription: The Lord knows those who are His, and Everyone who names the name of the Lord must turn away from unrighteousness.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (NJB)
8 Because it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith; not by anything of your own, but by a gift from God;
9 not by anything that you have done, so that nobody can claim the credit.
Titus 3:5-8 (HCSB)
5 He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
8 This saying is trustworthy. I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed God might be careful to devote themselves to good works. These are good and profitable for everyone.
Romans 11:6 (NASB)
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
Ephesians 1:11-14 (HCSB)
11 We have also received an inheritance in Him, predestined according to the purpose of the One who works out everything in agreement with the decision of His will,
12 so that we who had already put our hope in the Messiah might bring praise to His glory.
13 When you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed in Him, you were also sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.
14 He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.
1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
Psalm 50:15 (NRSV)
15 Call on me in the day of trouble; I will deliver you, and you shall glorify me."
1 John 3:14 (HCSB)
14 We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers.
The one who does not love remains in death.
You absolutely have to be BORN AGAIN, to correctly interpret the Scriptures.
1 Corinthians 2:6-16 (NIV)
6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.
8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"--
10 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
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There is a problem with keeping the Lords people safe and secure.
Jesus prayed this
3> Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
4> I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do.
12> While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None
has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
15> My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.
16> They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.
17> Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.
John 17
Jesus keeps His people safe. But those who are lost, may well be not some of the elect.
Seeds will always fall on hard ground, stoney ground and take hold for a while and then
fail, while other good ground and sprout to bring much fruit.
The parables put it simply. No fruit no blessing rather judgement. It is this that causes problems.
But if one grasps the nature of love, it is obvious where things end up in Christ.
To be with the creator is to find healing, life and freedom. So for those over burdened with issues,
we need more of Christ and His Spirit not destroying the boundary between love, righteousness and
evil, which is just capitulation to the enemy, and also impossible for a believer to survive.
Jesus prayed this
3> Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
4> I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do.
12> While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None
has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
15> My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.
16> They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.
17> Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.
John 17
Jesus keeps His people safe. But those who are lost, may well be not some of the elect.
Seeds will always fall on hard ground, stoney ground and take hold for a while and then
fail, while other good ground and sprout to bring much fruit.
The parables put it simply. No fruit no blessing rather judgement. It is this that causes problems.
But if one grasps the nature of love, it is obvious where things end up in Christ.
To be with the creator is to find healing, life and freedom. So for those over burdened with issues,
we need more of Christ and His Spirit not destroying the boundary between love, righteousness and
evil, which is just capitulation to the enemy, and also impossible for a believer to survive.
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Arrogance. This is a prophetic word, if wrong, from a false teacher.
The problem with prophetic words is they can only be from God, or else we can testify to our
position and invite others to comment.
Is this arrogance part of a group or just this group on the internet or a certain type of preaching?
From past fellowships I know, it might well be part of group identity politics.
Maybe if you preach to passive people who just submit, and do not argue, one way traffic is what one
gets used to even when the audience do not understand or miss-apply the teaching.
If one has been a believer 10+ years and know most of all the different theological takes, it is annoying
to be told, your problem is ..... , or wrong ..... , or no it is like this.
Now in grace it might be we have school teachers here who are only used to speaking to young people,
but if this has gone on for years, it is probably just rudeness and disrespect. One does not need anything
more than this to know, no grapes or figs here guys. God bless you.
The problem with prophetic words is they can only be from God, or else we can testify to our
position and invite others to comment.
Is this arrogance part of a group or just this group on the internet or a certain type of preaching?
From past fellowships I know, it might well be part of group identity politics.
Maybe if you preach to passive people who just submit, and do not argue, one way traffic is what one
gets used to even when the audience do not understand or miss-apply the teaching.
If one has been a believer 10+ years and know most of all the different theological takes, it is annoying
to be told, your problem is ..... , or wrong ..... , or no it is like this.
Now in grace it might be we have school teachers here who are only used to speaking to young people,
but if this has gone on for years, it is probably just rudeness and disrespect. One does not need anything
more than this to know, no grapes or figs here guys. God bless you.
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Easy believism - a ticket touts entry into heaven
Come here, come here, I have these front row seats to the banquet of the King, passed over
by these really important dudes, which you can purchase by filling in the quick questionare.
Even better I can give you the answers, so you qualify special and easy, and even better,
it does not matter what you do between now and the feast you are guaranteed a place,
sealed in by your optimism you got the best seats in the house. Come on guys, put a smile
on, the King would never reject you, even if it is a fake ticket, He is so loving, kind and generous.
Trouble is Jesus declared we will be judged by what we do in the body.
6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil.
1 Tim 3
10 For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.
11 It is written: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'"
12 So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Rom 14
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive
what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
2 Cor 5
17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what
will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
18 And, "If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"
1 Peter 4
36 But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.
37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
Matt 12
Imagine this. Some believe God knows who are His before He hears or listens to what they have done
or said. But this is naive, because it is words and actions that define who we are.
So if one takes ones whole life, what will it testify to? Truth in Christ or hypocrisy?
Some think they already have a pass, to face Christ alone for rewards for good deeds done in Him or
just passing through fire, though saved. Sounds rather like the opposite. We are either true in Christ
or it is just some self appeasing act, or we are just sinners flying a kite. Our greatest failure is often
to believe we are something different than how are lives have actually been led or the words we have
spoken. It is like the act we think we are, is what we think God sees, rather than the truth, which maybe
a lot more scary and shameful than we can even begin to face today.
God bless you, for if in Christ we confess our sins and repent, He will forgive our sins and heal us from the
consequences of our sin, Amen.
Come here, come here, I have these front row seats to the banquet of the King, passed over
by these really important dudes, which you can purchase by filling in the quick questionare.
Even better I can give you the answers, so you qualify special and easy, and even better,
it does not matter what you do between now and the feast you are guaranteed a place,
sealed in by your optimism you got the best seats in the house. Come on guys, put a smile
on, the King would never reject you, even if it is a fake ticket, He is so loving, kind and generous.
Trouble is Jesus declared we will be judged by what we do in the body.
6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil.
1 Tim 3
10 For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.
11 It is written: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'"
12 So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Rom 14
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive
what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
2 Cor 5
17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what
will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
18 And, "If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"
1 Peter 4
36 But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.
37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
Matt 12
Imagine this. Some believe God knows who are His before He hears or listens to what they have done
or said. But this is naive, because it is words and actions that define who we are.
So if one takes ones whole life, what will it testify to? Truth in Christ or hypocrisy?
Some think they already have a pass, to face Christ alone for rewards for good deeds done in Him or
just passing through fire, though saved. Sounds rather like the opposite. We are either true in Christ
or it is just some self appeasing act, or we are just sinners flying a kite. Our greatest failure is often
to believe we are something different than how are lives have actually been led or the words we have
spoken. It is like the act we think we are, is what we think God sees, rather than the truth, which maybe
a lot more scary and shameful than we can even begin to face today.
God bless you, for if in Christ we confess our sins and repent, He will forgive our sins and heal us from the
consequences of our sin, Amen.
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I believe God gave us repentance for sin. Why would He do that? Because we are in the flesh. So yes, you can after sin, go back to GOD. Don't fool yourself into thinking it isn't written down in the book. It is written in the book. There is a way to get it blotted out. You must realize how you have hurt the Lord and you must have a change of heart from within. A true conviction to try better. To be more Christlike. You want it out, repent. The infinite worthiness of the Blood from the Cross will wipe clean.
If you turn your back on God, I believe God will not be mocked. So, what I believe past that is GOD WILL Judge, and I am told not to, so I don't. And I won't be tempted. And I will not tempt. (God give me strength PLEASE) His ways are not our ways. Love God will all your heart and love me as you love yourself. So, to be clear that is what I think. This is all I will say or commit to. I leave it in Gods hands and I pray that you do the same. Does this separate us, or does this bring us together? I hope it brings us together.
If you turn your back on God, I believe God will not be mocked. So, what I believe past that is GOD WILL Judge, and I am told not to, so I don't. And I won't be tempted. And I will not tempt. (God give me strength PLEASE) His ways are not our ways. Love God will all your heart and love me as you love yourself. So, to be clear that is what I think. This is all I will say or commit to. I leave it in Gods hands and I pray that you do the same. Does this separate us, or does this bring us together? I hope it brings us together.
What I am trying to get from you is your thoughts.
Can a believer stop believing but come back again?
Repent and come back to God the Father?
Not talking based on our observations of such people, because that would be subjective.
Now I get from your post above that actually a person can.
Blotted out but a change of heart come back.
Now if I have got this correct why do you quote the following as evidence of losing salvation?
Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
It's impossible for them to be renewed unto repentance.
So they cannot return back to God.
Can a believer stop believing but come back again?
Repent and come back to God the Father?
Not talking based on our observations of such people, because that would be subjective.
Now I get from your post above that actually a person can.
Blotted out but a change of heart come back.
Now if I have got this correct why do you quote the following as evidence of losing salvation?
Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
It's impossible for them to be renewed unto repentance.
So they cannot return back to God.
@deighAnne
Post 104,339 below that you posted
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Post 104,339 below that you posted
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Because Salvation, is guaranteed by God "PROVIDED" and that is on OUR part, not HIS. Do it His way and you can count on it. DONT, and HE WILL NOT BE MOCKED. How could that be unclear? Who could that be unclear to? Are you are aware of all the "mays, ifs, buts, ands, ects" ?From what I have perceived and experienced, they ones who are like the Pharisees, ask questions not for conversation but for "entrapping", have a lot of "earthly or manly" emotions that are clearly seen and no "spiritual" emotions ever put forth. It seems that in even general morals of society in kind communications they do not possess, let alone ANY part of Jesus except maybe the cleansing of the temple. Seeing that Jesus did that once, it should not be the only thing put forward to everyone, with the exception of "those they already love" I know there is something written about that somewhere as it is unproductive or something. Anyway, back to some meat, just needed a sip of milk. Thank youl
