Jesus say: to be save you have to do good

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Kim82 said:
Can a Christian decide that he does not want any reward, only salvation? Do Christians have an option to sin or not to sin depending on whether or not they want to be rewarded. Can they do this and still keep their salvation intact? Is salvation like the deal or no deal gameshow?
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For example, my friend stealing money from credit card, he believe it not have any effect on salvation, but I do not share his believe

1 Corinthians 6:10

“Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

This verse say stealing not go to heaven.

According to this verse stealing not only have affect on reward, but salvation
 
I think there is a lot of unrepentant Christians. They have prayed the "sinners prayer" but truly in their heart they have not repented. That's why they go on doing all the things they repented of. They have not come to know the ways of God.
 
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Jackson123 said:
For example, my friend stealing money from credit card, he believe it not have any effect on salvation, but I do not share his believe

1 Corinthians 6:10

“Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

This verse say stealing not go to heaven.

According to this verse stealing not only have affect on reward, but salvation
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I believe, you need to understand who you are in the first place. The Bible says we are all sinners Romans 3:23. This means you and I are sinners. Stealing a credit card is the fruit of who you really they are. But sins in all sort, whether small, big sin etc. still the same, no one exempted and God's justice demands payment. Man in his sinful nature misses the mark, he can't do anything but deserves judgment. The only way to be saved from the penalty is God's way. God's way is Jesus. He did it in the Cross-"It's Finished" was his cry. Thieves, drunkards, revilers, extortioners cannot inherit God's kingdom but they were given a chance to repent and receive what has already been offered the free gift of salvation. JESUS is the answer!
 
Kim82 said:
I think there is a lot of unrepentant Christians. They have prayed the "sinners prayer" but truly in their heart they have not repented. That's why they go on doing all the things they repented of. They have not come to know the ways of God.
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The heart is deceitful above all things and God only knows who truly repented and believe the gospel.
 
Kim82 said:
I was listening to a pastor the other day, and he said, even if you sin on purpose you are still saved.

I really wish the body of Christ would get it straight and speak in the same voice on this issue. Because does the Bible not say, those born of God does not practice sin?

Is it the case that you can sin but as long as you believe on the lord you will be saved?

Or are Christians suppose to be perfect?

Or is a Christian someone who does not practice sin but "falls down" some times?

If Jesus were to come and catch a Christian in the act of sinning, before he repents, will he go to heaven?

If a Christian dies just after he sins, before he repents, will he still go to heaven?

Is divorce the unforgivable sin?

If someone repents on their deathbed before they get a chance to get baptised or someone who can't leave their hospital bed to get baptised, will they go to heaven?

The bible say God has mercy on whom he will have mercy. What does this mean? Does this mean certain persons can keep sinning and God will have mercy on them if he chooses?

But does the Bible not say, we should not use our freedom as an excuse for badness? Does it not also say we must not sin that grace may abound?

I've listened to both sides of the argument on salvation, I've also listened to both sides of the argument on divorce and remarriage. It seems that whether you believe in one thing or the other, you can successfully prove your arguments from the bible.
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You can think of the sin problem for salvation as a noun instead of a verb. The problem, as Paul explained very clearly in Romans 5:12-19, is not sin as a verb but rather as a noun. We inherit the sinful nature from Adam and Jesus took that away and present to us righteous before God.

Thus, from God's perspective, he sees you as never having sin since you are imputed with Jesus's righteousness.
 
JESUS SAID TO BE SAVED WE HAVE TO BELIEVE IN HIM AND HIS FATHER THAT SENT HIM! PUT ON HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS,AND WALK AS HE DID!
 
Kim82 said:
I think there is a lot of unrepentant Christians. They have prayed the "sinners prayer" but truly in their heart they have not repented. That's why they go on doing all the things they repented of. They have not come to know the ways of God.
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Yep, accept Jesus as savior and ask forgiveness is the way to inherit kingdom, but I believe like 1 cor 6 say if we continue with stealing than not only lose reward but not inherit the kingdom.
 
fredoheaven said:
I believe, you need to understand who you are in the first place. The Bible says we are all sinners Romans 3:23. This means you and I are sinners. Stealing a credit card is the fruit of who you really they are. But sins in all sort, whether small, big sin etc. still the same, no one exempted and God's justice demands payment. Man in his sinful nature misses the mark, he can't do anything but deserves judgment. The only way to be saved from the penalty is God's way. God's way is Jesus. He did it in the Cross-"It's Finished" was his cry. Thieves, drunkards, revilers, extortioners cannot inherit God's kingdom but they were given a chance to repent and receive what has already been offered the free gift of salvation. JESUS is the answer!
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Yep, only ask forgiveness without repent seem not acceptable in God eyes. To me I like to accept the doctrine if you do sin after accept Jesus, you only lose the reward but go to heaven, but seem to me the Bible say something else
 
Jackson123 said:
Yep, only ask forgiveness without repent seem not acceptable in God eyes. To me I like to accept the doctrine if you do sin after accept Jesus, you only lose the reward but go to heaven, but seem to me the Bible say something else
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After salvation we received from Christ, we need to grow. In the process of growth of the saint, there are things we need to throw and things we need to take and scriptures are our guide to be what God want us to be. We got to realize that salvation by faith only in Christ must be worked out. Peter says something to be added to our faith in order to grow.
1 Peter 1
3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 5And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
 
Leastamongmany said:
JESUS SAID TO BE SAVED WE HAVE TO BELIEVE IN HIM AND HIS FATHER THAT SENT HIM! PUT ON HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS,AND WALK AS HE DID!
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Yep,

Luke 12
46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him,and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

If we not doing His will when He come we will be cut of like unbeliever, and unbeliever not go to heaven.

Unbeliever not only lose the reward, but not go to heaven
 
fredoheaven said:
After salvation we received from Christ, we need to grow. In the process of growth of the saint, there are things we need to throw and things we need to take and scriptures are our guide to be what God want us to be. We got to realize that salvation by faith only in Christ must be worked out. Peter says something to be added to our faith in order to grow.
1 Peter 1
3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 5And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
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Yep, salvation by faith, but faith have a fruit.
honestly I am not that level yet. Still far from God standard, but I believe like the Bible say, if I learn to abide in Jesus, sooner or later I will be there,
 
Leastamongmany said:
JESUS SAID TO BE SAVED WE HAVE TO BELIEVE IN HIM AND HIS FATHER THAT SENT HIM! PUT ON HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS,AND WALK AS HE DID!
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Hi Least, just wanted to clarify is walking like Jesus as a means to be save? or because we already have Christ meaning we are righteous so as a result we need to walk like Jesus. Your "and" seems simply means an additive. Are you going to add something else? What do you mean?

Thanks
 
fredoheaven said:
Hi Least, just wanted to clarify is walking like Jesus as a means to be save? or because we already have Christ meaning we are righteous so as a result we need to walk like Jesus. Your "and" seems simply means an additive. Are you going to add something else? What do you mean?

Thanks
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No I wasn't going to add anything more! Salvation comes believeing on The Shed Blood Of Jesus for the remission of sins! My AND had an additive WALK AS HE DID!

Blessings!
 
Kim82 said:
Does this mean a Christian can go on sinning but in the eyes of God they did not sin?


Does this mean Christians are suppose to be perfect?
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This is the typical response that Paul had to deal twice. But its good, it shows that you are preaching the same gospel of grace as he did.

Do you realized that, in the eyes of the law, all of us are sinning habitually all the time, without even knowing it?

For example, do you love God with ALL your heart soul and mind all the time? Do you love your neighbor as yourself? None of us can do that. In the eyes of the law, that is sin, and you are sinning everyday.

Do you know what is good but you don't do it, sin of omission? Do you revere your spouse as to the Lord? All these are habitual sins, all of us are sinning every day of our lives, even if we do not steal, we do not murder, we do not commit adultery.

But thanks to Jesus's imputed righteousness on us, God does not see these sins.
 
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Kim82 said:
Does this mean a Christian can go on sinning but in the eyes of God they did not sin?


Does this mean Christians are suppose to be perfect?
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There is NONE perfect! It is NOT attainable in our present tabernacle. We look to Him the author and finisher of our faith,to guide us in study of the word,to be intimate with Him in prayer and to allow the Spirit to convict our hearts when we detour from the path of His righteousness!
 
Jackson123 said:
Yep, salvation by faith, but faith have a fruit.
honestly I am not that level yet. Still far from God standard, but I believe like the Bible say, if I learn to abide in Jesus, sooner or later I will be there,
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I believe salvation is by faith in Christ only. This faith have its fruit. To wit:
1. The Christian Character. The fruit of the Spirit. Galatians 5
2. The other fruit is our converts. The people we win in Christ is also our fruit. Sharing Christ to those who doesn't have the saving knowledge is one of our concern and focus. Christ and his gospel must be preached for it is the only and only power of God unto salvation.
3 The Christian character= fruit of righteousness. Romans 6:21-22

Of course abiding in Jesus everyday is the goal of the saved. Yet, despite we fail to abide, Christ still abide. This abiding will not affect our eternal destiny in heaven. Keep abiding in Christ but remember abiding in Christ is not to earn salvation but because you already have salvation.
 
Leastamongmany said:
No I wasn't going to add anything more! Salvation comes believeing on The Shed Blood Of Jesus for the remission of sins! My AND had an additive WALK AS HE DID!

Blessings!
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Umm, correct me I am wrong, but are you not trying to equate believing to walking? For me walking is the result. Here's my equation as far as salvation is concerned:
1 (faith) + 0 (no amount/zero of good works -= 1 (saved)
1(saved)+ 1good works,+1 walked as Jesus did etc = 3 or more (growth, maturity.)

Be blessed!
 
fredoheaven said:
I believe salvation is by faith in Christ only. This faith have its fruit. To wit:
1. The Christian Character. The fruit of the Spirit. Galatians 5
2. The other fruit is our converts. The people we win in Christ is also our fruit. Sharing Christ to those who doesn't have the saving knowledge is one of our concern and focus. Christ and his gospel must be preached for it is the only and only power of God unto salvation.
3 The Christian character= fruit of righteousness. Romans 6:21-22

Of course abiding in Jesus everyday is the goal of the saved. Yet, despite we fail to abide, Christ still abide. This abiding will not affect our eternal destiny in heaven. Keep abiding in Christ but remember abiding in Christ is not to earn salvation but because you already have salvation.
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I know in my personal experience abiding in Christ I not easy but I believe it is for salvation

John 15

6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

If you do not remind in me .............. thrown up into fire and burn

Fire and burn in this verse is hell isnt it
 
fredoheaven said:
Umm, correct me I am wrong, but are you not trying to equate believing to walking? For me walking is the result. Here's my equation as far as salvation is concerned:
1 (faith) + 0 (no amount/zero of good works -= 1 (saved)
1(saved)+ 1good works,+1 walked as Jesus did etc Faith in jesu
fredoheaven said:
Umm, correct me I am wrong, but are you not trying to equate believing to walking? For me walking is the result. Here's my equation as far as salvation is concerned:
1 (faith) + 0 (no amount/zero of good works -= 1 (saved)
1(saved)+ 1good works,+1 walked as Jesus did etc = 3 or more (growth, maturity.)

Be blessed!
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This is my equation

Faith = salvation+ fruit

It is impossible to have faith in Jesus but hate jesus

So have faith in Jesus must also mean love Jesus

The fruit of love in Jesus is love other

Love other mean help other, so good work not save you, but salvation produce good work

1 john 4:20
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fredoheaven said:
Umm, correct me I am wrong, but are you not trying to equate believing to walking? For me walking is the result. Here's my equation as far as salvation is concerned:
1 (faith) + 0 (no amount/zero of good works -= 1 (saved)
1(saved)+ 1good works,+1 walked as Jesus did etc = 3 or more (growth, maturity.)

Be blessed!
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This is my equation

Faith = salvation + good work as a fruit

I do not believe a man have a faith but hate Jesus, so faith in jesus also mean love Jesus
And love Jesus mean love other

Love other mean help other or good work

So good work not save you but salvation bear fruit of good work

1 John 4:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
 
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