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1. Once enlightened
2. tasted of the heavenly gift
3. partakers of the Holy Spirit
4. have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come
5. be renewed.


If that isn't a description of a Christian, a saved Christian, no one is. IN MY OPINION ONLY
But what is should do is cause those who are and remain Christians to lay off trying to make us feel like we are going against God. Do we ever call out how ignorant we think it is to believe that the Creator of the universe an who is going to have a lake of fire right there, A God who opened up the earth and swallowed people whole because of what they wanted, is going to look at the guy who is standing there poking him in the eye and say "it is going to be great to spend eternity with you. This knowing He just spent the last approx. 13-15 thousand years going through all this and now He is am taking this rebellious hate Him, hateful, following satan doing his works, which is worse than putting Him last, person, because one day he really meant it and he got baptized and was sincere for a minute. No, we never say things like this. That does not come from a place of love. And though we mess up, we repent, ask forgiveness and are forgiven through the blood of our Lord and Savior. But we don't do it continually because that would not make the spirit within me happy. I call it righteous indignation, D***A**
You can think of this as happening during the Tribulation period.

One who accepts Jesus and his death burial resurrection at the beginning, can end up taking the mark of the beast by the middle of the Tribulation. So he has fallen away, because after the church is raptured, salvation will once again requires faith and works.
 
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Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity
The will of the Father is to BELIEVE on him whom he hath SENT.....not jump through religious hoops.....
 
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Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Hebrews 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
A word that most of you all reject.....

CONTEXT

It is not teaching the loss of salvation......but hey....go ahead and keep believing that is what it is saying.......see how that works out in the end
 

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Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Hebrews 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Read....learn.


Survey of the New Testament » 10 - The Letter to the Hebrews

Lesson

The letter to the Hebrews was written to Jewish Christians in Palestine. We know this because those who received the letter were very familiar with the temple and its sacrifices. They were also well acquainted with the Old Testament Scriptures. The title "To the Hebrews" has been the title of the letter from the very earliest times. The term "Hebrews" was used to describe only the people of Israel who lived in Palestine.

Everywhere else in the first century, they were called "Jews." Hebrews reflects the situation faced by the Jewish Christians in Palestine in the ten year period before the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in A.D. 70.

The writer of Hebrews, as well as all the other books of the New Testament, was the Holy Spirit. The human writer used by the Holy Spirit is not mentioned in the book. The most widely held view is that Hebrews was written by the apostle Paul. This has been accepted from the earliest days of the church. Clement of Alexandria, an early Christian writer, said Paul wrote Hebrews in the Hebrew language and Luke later translated it into Greek.


Hebrews was written from Italy (Hebrews 13:24). Timothy was with the writer at the time it was written (Hebrews 13:23). Hebrews deals with the situation of the Jewish Christians in Palestine in the last few years before Jerusalem’s destruction. The time fits that of Paul’s first imprisonment in Rome which was from A.D. 61 to A.D. 63.

PLEASE TAKE NOTE!
The purpose of writing Hebrews was to encourage Jewish Christians who were being persecuted. Because of this, they were tempted to return to the Jewish religion. The writer shows them that the old Jewish faith has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ. He does this by showing that the religion of Christ is superior in every way. In fact, the key word in Hebrews is "better."


Christ has a better name than the angels (Hebrews 1:4).
Better things were expected of the Christians (Hebrews 6:9).
Melchizedek was better than Abraham (Hebrews 7:7).
Christians have a better hope (Hebrews 7:19).

Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant which is established upon better promises (Hebrews 7:22; 8:6).
The great heroes of faith looked for a better country and a better resurrection (Hebrews 11:16, 35).
In chapter one, Christ is shown to be superior to the angels. He created all things, and sustains them by the word of His power. Even though they are mighty created beings, angels are simply the servants of those who shall inherit eternal salvation. AGAIN...WHO SHALL INHERIT ETERNAL SALVATION.

In chapter two, the reason God became a man in the person of Jesus Christ is revealed. Christ became man in order that He might die for the sins of man and thereby free him from sin and death.

In chapter three, Christ is shown to be superior to Moses, the great Lawgiver. Moses was only a servant in God’s house. Christ is the Son over God’s house.

In chapter four, Christ is shown to be superior to Joshua. Joshua led Israel into the Promised Land, but the permanent rest for the people of God still remains. Christ will lead His faithful people into that eternal rest which is in Heaven.

In chapter five, Christ is shown to be superior to the priests under the Old Testament. A discussion of Christ as the Christian’s high priest began in Hebrews 4:14. It is discussed more fully in this chapter. The discussion continues through chapter ten. Not only is Christ our high priest, but He is also the offering for man’s sins.

In chapter six, a warning against apostasy is given. If one rejects Christ, there is no other hope for salvation. God’s promise to His people was confirmed by His oath. Since it is contrary to the nature of God to lie, we have double assurance that God will keep His promises.

Chapter seven shows that Christ is a priest after the order of Melchizedek. Melchizedek was superior to Abraham, father of the Levites from which the priests came, because Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek. Melchizedek blessed Abraham. It is an accepted fact that the one who blesses is greater than the one who is blessed.

In chapter eight, Christ’s new covenant is shown to be superior to the old covenant which was given to Israel at Mt. Sinai. The old covenant was weak because it could not take away sins permanently. Under the new covenant, our sins are removed forever.

Chapter nine tells us Christ is the offering for our sins as well as our high priest. He has given us His new covenant. The old covenant given to Israel at Mt. Sinai was dedicated with the blood of animals. Christ’s new covenant is superior to that old one for it was sealed with His own blood.

Chapter ten shows Christ’s sacrifice is superior to the sin offerings made under the old covenant. Those animal sacrifices had to be made over and over. They could not permanently take away sin. They served only as a reminder of sins year after year. However, Christ’s sacrifice of His own blood was made once for all time.

Chapter eleven is one of the best known chapters in the Bible. It is called "the hall of fame of the heroes of faith." Because of their faith in His promises, great men and women of God overcame many trials and temptations. They were able to do this because they were looking for a better city, a better country, and a better resurrection.

Chapter twelve shows that Christians are running a race. We are surrounded by the great heroes of faith of the past. In order to complete the race successfully, we must keep our eyes on Jesus who is the "author and finisher" of our faith. PLEASE NOTE

Chapter thirteen closes with various exhortations to faithfulness. Hebrews is a great book of faith. It presents Jesus Christ as God’s last word to mankind. He is the offering for sin as well as the Christian’s high priest. If we reject Christ and His new covenant, there is no hope for our salvation.



Apostasy Defined

The word itself is from the Greek word “apostasia” and is very much like renouncing or disassociating oneself from a particular religion or certain religious beliefs.

It is similar to a rejection of beliefs that were once held and accepting different beliefs and might even be a renunciation of the beliefs that were previously held. For example, is someone converts to another religion, they reject or turn away from their beliefs from something they once believed and turn to believing in another, much different religion or it might be a falling away from anything to do with religion.

Apostasy can also be considered abandonment or defiance of what was previously held to be true and practiced and rebelling against those same beliefs and practices. Someone or some group who does this are considered an apostate.
 

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My point was not so much that OSAS supports people going out and sinning - very few (if any) OSAS believers here would say that.

My point was that belief in OSAS forces one to judge and say that one who is openly and rebelliously sinning could not have ever have been born again.

I hope you mean what I think you mean. I am one that will harshly criticize anyone that THINKS OSAS means a person can sin all he wants. THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE, and TOTALLY VOID OF ANY REAL KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT OSAS BELIEVERS ACTUALLY TEACH AND BELIEVE. And YES, I would say that anyone involved in a OSAS Church and continually sins only proves that he NEVER WAS TRULY BORN AGAIN. We teach that after one is Born Again, which IS SALVATION, he will always want to obey GOD purely OUT OF LOVE FOR HIM. Are we Perfect at it? No, we still have a sin nature, that sneaks in once in awhile, BUT OUR BORN AGAIN NATURE WILL DOMINATE OUR LIFESTYLE. That Act of OBEDIENCE is NOT BURDENSOME, when LOVE IS THE MOTIVE FOR OBEDIENCE. IT IS PURELY AN ACT OF LOVE. Serving the LORD is part of our NEW NATURE IN OUR HEART when we are truly BORN AGAIN, and therefore OBEDIENCE is PART OF OUR LOVE, which we WILL do after SALVATION.

1 John 5:3 (NIV)
3 This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,

Born Again BELIEVERS have a Secret Weapon that will KEEP THEM, walking in CHRIST.

1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
 

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Did Judas lose his salvation? Satan was once the full pattern of God till iniquity was found in him. He is sentenced to the lake of fire, that man of lawlessness.
NO, HE NEVER HAD ANYTHING THAT EVEN COMES CLOSE TO SALVATION. He followed Jesus because of his GREED, thinking HE was going to set up KINGDOM, and would get a HIGH PAYING JOB WHEN HE DID. He was chosen to carry the money box, and he stole from it often.
Here is the proof.

John 12:4-6 (NCV)
4 Judas Iscariot, one of Jesus’ followers who would later turn against him, was there. Judas said,
5 “This perfume was worth three hundred coins. Why wasn’t it sold and the money given to the poor?“
6 But Judas did not really care about the poor; he said this because he was a thief. He was the one who kept the money box, and he often stole from it.

John 17:12 (NASB)
12 "While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the [1] Hebrew idiom for one destined to perish. son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.

HE is talking about Judas when HE said: son of perdition.
 

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Don’t look to me to explain anything. Read the Bible cover to cover.
What?...you can't make a statement and then expect the Bible to support a invalid position. Wow ...what a position!!!
Thank you but, I don't need to read scripture for that one.
 

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The letter to the Hebrews was written to Jewish Christians in Palestine.
I think Hebrew also means to cross over "the Jordan"
The term "Hebrews" was used to describe only the people of Israel who lived in Palestine.
Hebrews Message general Messiah of the OT must suffer as Man (incarnate Man) Jesus is the Messiah

(Hebrews 13:23). Hebrews deals with the situation of the Jewish Christians in Palestine in the last few years before Jerusalem’s destruction. The time fits that of Paul’s first imprisonment in Rome which was from A.D. 61 to A.D. 63.
All the letters to the churches dealt with the people of the time and place. It is always nice to have that kind of background information to make a more informed decision. Like why it was written women shouldn't preach has the exact same kind of back ground and the problem was with the women there and what ,,,, same details.

The purpose of writing Hebrews was to encourage Jewish Christians who were being persecuted.


Christ has a better name than the angels (Hebrews 1:4).
Better things were expected of the Christians (Hebrews 6:9).
Melchizedek was better than Abraham (Hebrews 7:7).
Christians have a better hope (Hebrews 7:19).

Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant which is established upon better promises (Hebrews 7:22; 8:6).
AGAIN...WHO SHALL INHERIT ETERNAL SALVATION.

In chapter six, a warning against apostasy is given. If one rejects Christ, there is no other hope for salvation. God’s promise to His people was confirmed by His oath. Since it is contrary to the nature of God to lie, we have double assurance that God will keep His promises.

Chapter seven shows that Christ is a priest after the order of Melchizedek.
Without mother without father having no beginning.....Christ is Melchizedek Priest of Most High....

Under the new covenant, our sins are removed forever.
Repented of sins. New creature coming up out of the water, all past wiped away, brand new fresh start. Give us this day, our daily bread and forgive us...JESUS teaching us how to pray, Nobodies Word beats HIS. Not then, not now, not ever.
Christ’s new covenant is superior to that old one for it was sealed with His own blood.

Chapter ten shows Christ’s sacrifice is superior to the sin offerings made under the old covenant. Those animal sacrifices had to be made over and over. They could not permanently take away sin. They served only as a reminder of sins year after year. However, Christ’s sacrifice of His own blood was made once for all time.
Because the blood of Christ was of infinite value, that He willingly chose to suffer for the sins of the world. When you are forgiven by that there is complete comfort that they are wiped away.


Chapter thirteen closes with various exhortations to faithfulness. Hebrews is a great book of faith. It presents Jesus Christ as God’s last word to mankind. He is the offering for sin as well as the Christian’s high priest. If we reject Christ and His new covenant, there is no hope for our salvation.
I agree


Apostasy Defined

The word itself is from the Greek word “apostasia” and is very much like renouncing or disassociating oneself from a particular religion or certain religious beliefs.

It is similar to a rejection of beliefs that were once held and accepting different beliefs and might even be a renunciation of the beliefs that were previously held. For example, is someone converts to another religion, they reject or turn away from their beliefs from something they once believed and turn to believing in another, much different religion or it might be a falling away from anything to do with religion.

Apostasy can also be considered abandonment or defiance of what was previously held to be true and practiced and rebelling against those same beliefs and practices. Someone or some group who does this are considered an apostate.
Excellent presentation and I really appreciate it. Could have done without the condescending "Read and Learn" but very nice. Gonna start with the last. The Apostasy, is an event that will be when Satan is here, everyone being deceived to believe he is Christ, but he isn't (no gospel armor) but the world will whore after him and worship him (hence the daily oblation ceasing, not cause the people aren't doing it it is just no longer going to our Lord and Savior) It is a great falling away that when they realize they have been worshipping the false messiah when Jesus really comes for the Lords Day they will wish that mountains would cover them from their embarrassment over being deceived.
So I still stand by what it means. There is just to many times to say "no it doesn't it really means......maybe a time or two, but, there can be no way, not as many times and in the many different ways. Not my God. God back and read about Korah, or the guy who tried to stop the ark from falling or .....No He is the same, and if that stuff happen to His own priests and people who love Him, if you turned on Him, he ain't gonna beg. Maybe you have to see and experience it for yourself. They go all out bad, just like Satan did. That one bit of iniquity, and they are gone. There will be no evil to see the new kingdom.
You do so love your bible don't you? I know I love mine. 1828 especially helpful
 

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You can think of this as happening during the Tribulation period.

One who accepts Jesus and his death burial resurrection at the beginning, can end up taking the mark of the beast by the middle of the Tribulation. So he has fallen away, because after the church is raptured, salvation will once again requires faith and works.
Will definitely apply then too!! So yes I can.
 

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A word that most of you all reject.....

CONTEXT

It is not teaching the loss of salvation......but hey....go ahead and keep believing that is what it is saying.......see how that works out in the end
From what you are teaching I am in great shape now and I will be then too!! I can do no wrong remember?
 

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Yap Noose, to the whole world Christ died. He died for you and me, the difference Noose is only those who believe(trust/ accept) on him will have eternal life. So simple and plain, if one don't trust Christ is the only way and have other way then that is a wrong way. Jesus says, I am the way John 14:6.

The point is You put obedience while fredo put believing. The Bible is clear John 3:16

John 3:16ForFor God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but have everlasting life"
Well, you are wrong; believing is the calling, obeying is being chosen. Not all that are called are chosen. And i pray that you may have understanding.

Paul said he laid the foundation by preaching the gospel and so every man continues to build on that foundation and their works will be tested.

1 Cor 3:
10By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one must be careful how he builds. 11For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, 13his workmanship will be evident, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will prove the quality of each man’s work. 14If what he has built survives, he will receive a reward. 15If it is burned up, he will suffer loss. He himself will be saved, but only as if through the flames.
 

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Excellent presentation and I really appreciate it. Could have done without the condescending "Read and Learn" but very nice. Gonna start with the last. The Apostasy, is an event that will be when Satan is here, everyone being deceived to believe he is Christ, but he isn't (no gospel armor) but the world will whore after him and worship him (hence the daily oblation ceasing, not cause the people aren't doing it it is just no longer going to our Lord and Savior) It is a great falling away that when they realize they have been worshipping the false messiah when Jesus really comes for the Lords Day they will wish that mountains would cover them from their embarrassment over being deceived.
So I still stand by what it means. There is just to many times to say "no it doesn't it really means......maybe a time or two, but, there can be no way, not as many times and in the many different ways. Not my God. God back and read about Korah, or the guy who tried to stop the ark from falling or .....No He is the same, and if that stuff happen to His own priests and people who love Him, if you turned on Him, he ain't gonna beg. Maybe you have to see and experience it for yourself. They go all out bad, just like Satan did. That one bit of iniquity, and they are gone. There will be no evil to see the new kingdom.
You do so love your bible don't you? I know I love mine. 1828 especially helpful
Yes, I do love my Bible. Lol. Love to study words. And I love the. Hebrew language. Sorry about the read and learn. Wasn’t nice was it. I repent!

I tried to learn Hebrew recently but I can’t get the sound like someone is clearing their throat without gagging. Haha.
 

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Well, you are wrong; believing is the calling, obeying is being chosen. Not all that are called are chosen. And i pray that you may have understanding.

Paul said he laid the foundation by preaching the gospel and so every man continues to build on that foundation and their works will be tested.

1 Cor 3:
10By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one must be careful how he builds. 11For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, 13his workmanship will be evident, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will prove the quality of each man’s work. 14If what he has built survives, he will receive a reward. 15If it is burned up, he will suffer loss. He himself will be saved, but only as if through the flames.
Why wrong? i didn't even understand yours. Sorry noose. 1 Cor. 13 are those saved believers, they were founded on Christ that begins when they believed the gospel. A believer may sometimes falter and fall yet they are saved for eternity, so in the coming judgment day of Christ (JSOC) their works will be tested by fire. This judgment is not whether they will be for eternity be punish or not but the gaining and losing of rewards.
 

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Yes, I do love my Bible. Lol. Love to study words. And I love the. Hebrew language. Sorry about the read and learn. Wasn’t nice was it. I repent!

I tried to learn Hebrew recently but I can’t get the sound like someone is clearing their throat without gagging. Haha.
Thank God for Strongs and Interlinear, and Lexicons ect or there would be no hope for me. Oh, don't do that, it really wasn't that bad. It wouldn't have even warranted a mention if the rest of the paper hadn't been so well done. And I really do appreciate it. I bet many others do to. I always notice how few members there are, but there are always a lot of guests. So people are out there looking for something. They never stop and say anything, but they read. Those are Gods children, Our "hopefully" brothers and sisters. I just want to make sure there is even amounts of info from, both points of view. That is the entire purpose. To save as many as we can for God. And to do it the way He wants us to. And the more we do it His way, the more natural it becomes. The world becomes a different place. A calmer, more peaceful place. I love knowing where I am headed and having no fear of what may happen along the way and dying is the worst thing that can happen and that is actually a good thing. Yeah, I love my Bible. It is my favorite thing in the whole world. I know what you mean about loving Hebrew too. Not the sounds but the words and how exacting it can describe what is really being said. We lose so much in the translation it isn't even funny. Any way, Have a good and pleasant evening. God Bless you abundantly.
 

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It doesn’t say they believed; it s

I’m not playing games with you. Answer my question then I will answer yours.
o_Oo_O

Luke 8:11“This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. 12Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. 14The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life’s worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature. 15But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.

1. The first group hears the gospel but do not believe it.

2. Second group unlike the first, hears and believes the gospel for a season but can not maintain because they fall away when their faith is tested.
No one can say God started something but did not finish in this group because it is upon the individual to do the works they were ordained to do. It is not God's fault that this group falls away, they failed to do what they were supposed to do.

3. The third group unlike the first and the second, hears and believes the gospel throughout their lives but can not mature in faith because of the worldly cares. The gospel is not effective in their lives.

4. Even within the fourth group itself, we have different subcategories depending on individuals efforts. There are those that produce 30 fold/ 50 fold/ 100 fold.
 

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Why wrong? i didn't even understand yours. Sorry noose. 1 Cor. 13 are those saved believers, they were founded on Christ that begins when they believed the gospel. A believer may sometimes falter and fall yet they are saved for eternity, so in the coming judgment day of Christ (JSOC) their works will be tested by fire. This judgment is not whether they will be for eternity be punish or not but the gaining and losing of rewards.
That's why you are wrong.

John 15:
1“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes a so that it will be even more fruitful. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

9“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14You are my friends if you do what I command.