Discernment in visions and dreams

[Godsgirl83]

I wont go into the details (to personal, and w/o ALL the background info people wouldn't understand. Well even WITH background some people STILL wouldn't get it........)
BUT I WILL share this much.
As a child I remember having LOTS of dreams, very detailed and vivid, a lot more than I do now (or at least that I could recall at the time) And other than what's in the Bible, I had never given dreams much thought. I mean I at that time just thought everyone dreams at night, it's part of sleeping.
When I was a teen, I had a SUPER VIVID DREAM.
Now, I just sort of thought it was VERY ODD at the time of my life. Actually NEVER really gave it any thought, just sort of thought "well that was interesting".
FAST FWD several years well into adult hood.
A situation arose, and as it was unfolding..... it was almost IDENTICAL to this dream I had LONG FORGOTTEN about.
Until it was unfolding in front of me and I remember just sort of thinking something like
"Lord, this is just like that odd dream......."
and He answered me (something like)
"That dream was preparation for now......"

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Hey, I know both of you well enough to say you both believe the same.

I think you guys misunderstood each other.

well I'm glad you see that

I would actually like an apology and I have never asked for one on here before...in fact I rarely ever have expectations of one

but I am starting to really have enough of the sweeping judgmental attitudes around here...not even talking about this thread now...and how those who make them just never ever go back and see how rude and nasty they are

so since shittim doesn't say anything, can somone tell me if English is his first language? cause I just honestly do NOT understand how
he could have got what I said as wrong as he did and then summed up by telling me I am not really saved...because that is what telling someone they represent an outward Christian (no substance) really means

I'm tired of it

 

[shittim]

Thank you for posting Godsgirl, sounds like another "line upon line, precept upon precept" action of the Lord, it has been my experience His dreams are especially clear, vivid, memorable, I have asked Him to bring them to remembrance so that I can ask for the meaning , He always does, that is found in Daniel, something like " does not the interpretation of the dream belong to the author of the dream?"
best wishes

 

[garee]

I've addressed your position on 'missing laws' several times. Because you don't take the time to understand what I and others claim, your comments and questions are irrelevant. Stick with your strawman argument. I'll stick to reality, where God still speaks.

I am not the one that is suggesting we can go above that which is written as a source of Christ's faith that works in a believer.. .You said verified experience proves otherwise.

Experience proves a person said they had a experience nothing more and nothing less. When Jesus was faced with one of those so called out of the body experiences or dreams as visions the father would put these words in Jesus's mouth over and over. . . as it is wtiten . (its the one the media by which we can hear Him.

Does a person need more that he has given as a perfect law?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I am not the one that is suggesting we can go above that which is written as a source of Christ's faith that works in a believer.. .You said verified experience proves otherwise.

Experience proves a person said they had a experience nothing more and nothing less. When Jesus was faced with one of those so called out of the body experiences or dreams as visions the father would put these words in Jesus's mouth over and over. . . as it is wtiten . (its the one the media by which we can hear Him.

Does a person need more that he has given as a perfect law?

esoteric nonsense

 

[garee]

Thank you for posting Godsgirl, sounds like another "line upon line, precept upon precept" action of the Lord, it has been my experience His dreams are especially clear, vivid, memorable, I have asked Him to bring them to remembrance so that I can ask for the meaning , He always does, that is found in Daniel, something like " does not the interpretation of the dream belong to the author of the dream?"
best wishes

Daniel spoke prophecy. God gave him the interpretation of another's man dream to advance the gospel .

The "line upon line, precept upon precept" limits hearing God as it is written .Those who ignored the rule of faith he brought a sign of unbelief (no faith) against.

With mocking lips called stammering he mocks those who mock him by going above all things written in the law and the prophets ( sola scriptura) "line upon line, precept upon precept". . . action of the Lord,

 

[Dino246]

I am not the one that is suggesting we can go above that which is written as a source of Christ's faith that works in a believer.. .You said verified experience proves otherwise.

Experience proves a person said they had a experience nothing more and nothing less. When Jesus was faced with one of those so called out of the body experiences or dreams as visions the father would put these words in Jesus's mouth over and over. . . as it is wtiten . (its the one the media by which we can hear Him.

Does a person need more that he has given as a perfect law?

Do you ever tire of repeating irrelevant comments and questions?

Jesus did not say, "As it is written..." because He was having an out-of-body experience. He said it because the devil was tempting Him. Get your facts straight and your doctrine will follow.

 

[Dino246]

Daniel spoke prophecy. God gave him the interpretation of another's man dream to advance the gospel .

The "line upon line, precept upon precept" limits hearing God as it is written .Those who ignored the rule of faith he brought a sign of unbelief (no faith) against.

With mocking lips called stammering he mocks those who mock him by going above all things written in the law and the prophets ( sola scriptura) "line upon line, precept upon precept". . . action of the Lord,

More irrelevance.

Read the context of the verses you quote. "Line upon line, precept upon precept" does not limit God's communication to the written text. It is part of His statement as to how He would communicate with recalcitrant Israel.

Perhaps you consider yourself recalcitrant. I don't fit that category, nor do most Christians.

 

[garee]

esoteric nonsense

Jesus did not fall, bow down for it (a illusion in fleshly mind ) why would we? Three times (as it is written) to indicate the end of the matter. One source of faith by which we can heard God not seen.as it is written .Need more? Why?

Then the devil led Jesus to the top of a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and all the wonderful things in them. 9 The devil said, “If you will bow down and worship me, I will give you all these things.”Jesus said to him, “Get away from me, Satan! The Scriptures say, ‘You must worship the Lord your God.Serve only him!’” So the devil left him. Then some angels came to Jesus and helped him. Mathew 4: 8-10

Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels. (the unseen) They always talk about the visions they have seen. Don’t listen to them when they say you are wrong because you don’t do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on their own human ideas. They don’t keep themselves under the control of the head. Christ is the head, and the whole body depends on him. Because of Christ all the parts of the body care for each other and help each other. So the body is made stronger and held together as God causes it to grow Colossians 2:

 

[PennEd]

Going to my "hometown" today, Freehold N.J. Bruce went to my grammar School (St. Rose of Lima) and High School. Although about 10 yrs older than me.
This thread reminded me of THIS line from his best song.
"Gonna guard your dreams and visions... BTW I was sprung from a cage on HWY 9! Sorry for the derail.

 

[garee]

Do you ever tire of repeating irrelevant comments and questions?

Jesus did not say, "As it is written..." because He was having an out-of-body experience. He said it because the devil was tempting Him. Get your facts straight and your doctrine will follow.

He said it because those are the word his father put on the Son of man jesus' lips. His food was to that of the father and finish the sentence ( as it is written)

.Not lying visions of things that were not there (illusions) along with strong delusion from the father. . Facts are clear .he was shown all the kingdoms of the world and all the glory without moving one inch. its how the devil tempts by deceiving people .

Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels. They always talk about the visions they have seen. Don’t listen to them when they say you are wrong because you don’t do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on their own human ideas. They don’t keep themselves under the control of the head. Christ is the head, and the whole body depends on him. Because of Christ all the parts of the body care for each other and help each other. So the body is made stronger and held together as God causes it to grow Colossians 2:18-19

 

[7seasrekeyed]

really not going to say anything shittim? I see you have been here

you send me up the river with complete nonsense because you either have a personal tiff with me I forgot about when dinosaurs roamed the earth or you cannot just say I misunderstood to me

I question what is going on with you

so easy to sound spiritual but the spiritual person is not the one who never is wrong or never seeks to understand

whatever

 

[pomeranian]

The meaning and message of the dream or vision will NEVER contradict God's Word.

when you say GOD's word, are you referring to The 10 commandments written by GOD himself, Jesus who is the Christ and the living WORD of GOD or the 66 canonical books of the Christian Bible?

 

[shittim]

agreed- "whatever"
nothing happens in the past
best wishes

 

[7seasrekeyed]

really not going to say anything shittim? I see you have been here

you send me up the river with complete nonsense because you either have a personal tiff with me I forgot about when dinosaurs roamed the earth or you cannot just say I misunderstood to me

I question what is going on with you

so easy to sound spiritual but the spiritual person is not the one who never is wrong or never seeks to understand

whatever

well you have some people fooled

but my suspicions are correct

no loss. I prefer honesty and reality to pretense of holiness

 

[shittim]

No "derail" PennEd, hope your trip is perfect, eventful, and fruitful, please get back to us and let us know how it went, praying for divine encounters on your trip could be awesome for you and the kingdom.
best wishes

 

[garee]

More irrelevance.

Read the context of the verses you quote. "Line upon line, precept upon precept" does not limit God's communication to the written text. It is part of His statement as to how He would communicate with recalcitrant Israel.

Perhaps you consider yourself recalcitrant. I don't fit that category, nor do most Christians.

"Recalcitrant" not cooperating with those who go above that which is written. New word for me thanks.

My goal is to cooperate with the all things written in the law and the prophets.. It would seem you are from the other crowd that yet for all that "Line upon line, precept upon precept" . they will not hear the word of God. His statement as to how He would communicate with recalcitrant unbelief in the human heart.

It has nothing to do with the flesh of nations as if we did wrestle against flesh and blood (the things seen.) …..2 Cor. 4:18

"Line upon line, precept upon precept" is no different then saying "as it is written" .The written law of God the gospel of a living abiding hope.. I would call the armor of God . We are not to add to give it a personal touch. as did Aarons two sons with strange fire or a oral tradition of man in a attempt ad widening its authority . as in the garden...Did God really say?

The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies: “Saw lasaw saw lasawQaw laqaw qaw laqaw Ze’er sham ze’er sham.” So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people. In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.”But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds[ to them: “Saw lasaw saw lasaw.Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.Isaiah 28: 9-23 EVR

They thought they outgrew the need for all things written in the law and the prophets. They were big boys.... who replied... “Saw lasaw saw lasawQaw laqaw qaw laqaw Ze’er sham ze’er sham.” (no need for "Line upon line, precept upon precept" )

 

[Dino246]

He said it because those are the word his father put on the Son of man jesus' lips. His food was to that of the father and finish the sentence ( as it is written)

.Not lying visions of things that were not there (illusions) along with strong delusion from the father. . Facts are clear .he was shown all the kingdoms of the world and all the glory without moving one inch. its how the devil tempts by deceiving people .

Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels. They always talk about the visions they have seen. Don’t listen to them when they say you are wrong because you don’t do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on their own human ideas. They don’t keep themselves under the control of the head. Christ is the head, and the whole body depends on him. Because of Christ all the parts of the body care for each other and help each other. So the body is made stronger and held together as God causes it to grow Colossians 2:18-19

Once again you're misinterpreting what the text says, in both cases.

The text does not say that the Father put the words on Jesus' lips.

The text does not say that the vision itself was false. If it were, Jesus could have simply ignored it. Jesus responded to the devil as though the context and message of the vision were real and valid. The devil was actually telling Jesus the truth in all three temptations, but they were still deceptive temptations, because the devil wasn't telling the whole story.

The text does not say that the devil tempts people by giving them visions. The content of the vision, and what it leads you to do, are keys. Visions themselves are neutral.

I don't know which version you quoted for Colossians 2, but once again, you are misinterpreting it. The gist of the passage is that people are boasting about visions they have seen, as though such visions give those persons authority. The passage tells you this, but you don't see it because your mind is apparently closed to the possibility that God would still speak through visions.

Are you familiar with the mission agency "Youth With A Mission" (aka YWAM)? If so, read the book by its founder, Loren Cunningham, about the process God used to lead him in its inception and growth, which includes several visions. If you insist that God no longer speaks in such ways, then you must conclude that the entire ministry of YWAM is false, despite the many thousands of people they have brought to the Lord.

 

[Dino246]

"Recalcitrant" not cooperating with those who go above that which is written. New word for me thanks.

NO IT ISN'T.

Read the dictionary, Garee.

 

[Lafftur]

when you say GOD's word, are you referring to The 10 commandments written by GOD himself, Jesus who is the Christ and the living WORD of GOD or the 66 canonical books of the Christian Bible?

Hello pomeranian,

Great question. When I say that the meaning and the message of a dream or vision that is from God will NEVER contradict God's Word, what I'm saying is........

God's Word came to Earth, took on flesh and dwelt among us as the only begotten Son of God, the only Lamb of God, the only Savior of the world, the only human fulfillment of ALL the Law, walked on the Earth fulfilling ALL that the Prophets had written about Him, put on display the Father's Will and character for us to know the Father, which can be summarized in 5 categories......

1 - God reigns supremely - nothing exists more powerful than Him
2 - God wants to take care of us by meeting all our needs
3 - God wants to save us from our sins because He does not want to live without us
4 - God wants to deliver us from all harm and our enemies
5 - God wants to give us mercy and not pour out His judgment and wrath on us

If any dream or vision gives us a meaning or message that is contrary to the Father's Will for us, then it is not from God.

A dream or vision contrary to God's Word would give a message of.....

1 - There is no God and I am in control of my life or there are many gods, not just ONE ALL POWERFUL
2 - I do not need God because I can take care of myself
3 - I'm a good person I can save myself with good works
4 - I can deliver myself and protect myself
5 - God is mean and is waiting for me to mess up so He can punish me

We have all the writings of Moses and the Prophets, the four Gospels, Psalms that are excellent for therapy sessions, Proverbs for life instruction in wisdom, the four Gospels, the letters of the Apostles, and the Revelation of the end of the world and the new heaven and earth.....

If a dream or vision is from God, the meaning or message will NOT go outside of the jest of the 5 categories and all 66 Books of the Holy Bible.