The Tabernacle in the Wilderness

[Wansvic]

You also said the following to poster tourist.

"We know that getting water baptized does not show a lack of faith because the biblical record shows both water baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost were done consistently. In the case of Cornelius and others (Acts 10:44-48), we see they were commanded to get water baptized after receiving the initial infilling of the Holy Spirit."

The fact remains that Cornelius received the "FULL AND COMPLETE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT" first and then was water baptized. That is what the Biblical record says. Moreover, Cornelius "DID NOT" have some sort of "initial infilling" of the Holy Spirit." Cornelius received all of the Holy Spirit and was immediately saved in that millisecond.

When I use the term "initial infilling" I mean the very first time God pours His Spirit into a person.

 

[Wansvic]

Consider the following scripture when deciding whether to be water baptized in the name of Jesus, or the titles of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

"Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:10-12

Seems like a no brainer to me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A picture of New Testament water baptism can be seen in the Tabernacle in the wilderness that God commanded Moses to construct per His specific instructions.

In scripture there are two distinct water applications. The first is a complete washing for entrance into the priesthood. Afterward those who minister must keep their hands and feet spiritually clean by being washed in the water of the Word of God.

A foreshadow of water baptism can be seen in God’s command to Moses to wash Aaron and his sons. They were to be washed prior to being clothed with priestly garments:

“And thou shalt anoint the laver and his foot, and sanctify it. And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office. And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:” Exodus 40:11-14

God then instructed the Israelites to wash at the laver in the courtyard before entering the tabernacle. Aaron and his sons were forbidden to enter into the Holy Place without washing at the laver. In fact, they were warned of the consequences for disobedience. They would surely DIE.

Exodus 30:18-21 “Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein. For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat: When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD: So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.”

As stated above, death would occur if one tried to forego God’s command to wash at the laver. The washing of the natural hands and feet reflects a spiritual reality. We are to do God’s work (with hands) and walk in God’s ways (with feet) in accordance with His Word.

After the initial cleansing had taken place, Moses poured oil over the head of Aaron the high priest. This action parallels the new covenant infilling of the Holy Ghost:

Leviticus 8:12 “And he poured of the anointing oil upon Aaron's head, and anointed him, to sanctify him.”

After being washed, and clothed, Aaron and his sons were marked with blood:

“And thou shalt take the other ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram. Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.” Exodus 29:19-20

Note the significance of how the sacrificial blood was to be applied:

Not only did Moses sprinkle the blood on the altar and upon Aaron and his sons, along with the anointing oil, but each man was marked with blood on the right earlobe, the right thumb, and the right big toe. This was a token reminder that they must listen to God's Word, do God's work, and walk in God's way. The blood speaks of sacrifice, so the priests became "living sacrifices" in the service of the Lord. (The Bible Exposition Commentary: Old Testament )

Many believe that the blood is applied immediately when one accepts Jesus as their personal savior. However, take the time to read the twenty-ninth chapter of Exodus. What you will find is a sequence of events that parallel the New Testament salvation components.

1. Candidate accepts priestly calling.

2. Candidates are washed and adorned with holy garments. Ex 29:4

3. Oil is poured over the head of the priest. Ex 29:7

4. The priestly office is secured. Ex 29:9

5. The blood is applied after obedience to God’s commands above. Ex 29:20

After stating how the priestly office is secured, the Word instructs us about our Christian walk and how to honor God with various types of offerings.

The New Testament parallel is as follows:

1. Acceptance of Jesus sacrifice and repentance

2. Water Baptism (receive the priestly garments)

3. Infilling of the Holy Ghost

4. Priestly office secured

5. Blood of Jesus sacrifice is applied

And ALL three were symbols of holy spirit baptism, where a persons sins are literally washed away. By being baptised INTO christ, his death and his burial. Something no priest. No pastor. No disciples. No man (who is a sinner himself) has the power to accomplish.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When I use the term "initial infilling" I mean the very first time God pours His Spirit into a person.

Thats call anointing

That happens immediately after the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Which happens immediately after one repents and places their faith in Christ, (see eph 1: 13- 14)

 

[Wansvic]

Thats call anointing

That happens immediately after the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Which happens immediately after one repents and places their faith in Christ, (see eph 1: 13- 14)

As I shared with you before, the biblical record does not line up with your belief that a person receives the Holy Spirit the moment they place their faith in Jesus. Notice the 3 examples below:

The 120 people in the upper room placed their faith in Jesus well before being filled with the Holy Ghost on the Day of Pentecost. (Acts 2:1)

While in Samaria Philip shared the things of the kingdom and the NAME of Jesus and the Samaritans believed and got water baptized. (Acts 8:12) Only afterward did they receive the gift when Peter and John traveled from Jerusalem to Samaria and prayed for them to receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 8:15-17)

Paul began a discussion with Ephesus disciples with a question that speaks a truth. Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? His question indicates that he knew that upon belief some people did not immediately receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 19:2)
Notice also that after Paul's explanation that they must believe on Jesus and be re-baptized in His name they believe and yet they do not receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 19:4-5) After all of this occurs Paul lays hands upon them and only then do they receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 19:6)


Eph 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

What is the word of truth? What is the gospel of salvation that one hears that prompts receiving the promise of the Holy Ghost?
Peter states the promise of receiving the Holy Ghost (being sealed) is for all who obey the instructions given at Pentecost (Acts 2:38)
*Notice the promise extends to as many as the Lord our God shall call:

" For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, * even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. (Acts 2:39-41)

Peter also mentions that those hearing his message should save themselves surely he means through obedience to the command.

 

[Wansvic]

And ALL three were symbols of holy spirit baptism, where a persons sins are literally washed away. By being baptised INTO christ, his death and his burial. Something no priest. No pastor. No disciples. No man (who is a sinner himself) has the power to accomplish.

Ananias told Paul that his sins would be washed away upon baptism in the name of the Lord.
"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

 

[Nehemiah6]

Ananias told Paul that his sins would be washed away upon baptism in the name of the Lord.
"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

Baptism was symbolic of the inner cleansing only. Water does not wash away sins, and that is not what Ananias was indicating.

 

[TLC209]

A picture of New Testament water baptism can be seen in the Tabernacle in the wilderness that God commanded Moses to construct per His specific instructions.

In scripture there are two distinct water applications. The first is a complete washing for entrance into the priesthood. Afterward those who minister must keep their hands and feet spiritually clean by being washed in the water of the Word of God.

A foreshadow of water baptism can be seen in God’s command to Moses to wash Aaron and his sons. They were to be washed prior to being clothed with priestly garments:

“And thou shalt anoint the laver and his foot, and sanctify it. And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office. And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:” Exodus 40:11-14

God then instructed the Israelites to wash at the laver in the courtyard before entering the tabernacle. Aaron and his sons were forbidden to enter into the Holy Place without washing at the laver. In fact, they were warned of the consequences for disobedience. They would surely DIE.

Exodus 30:18-21 “Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein. For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat: When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD: So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.”

As stated above, death would occur if one tried to forego God’s command to wash at the laver. The washing of the natural hands and feet reflects a spiritual reality. We are to do God’s work (with hands) and walk in God’s ways (with feet) in accordance with His Word.

After the initial cleansing had taken place, Moses poured oil over the head of Aaron the high priest. This action parallels the new covenant infilling of the Holy Ghost:

Leviticus 8:12 “And he poured of the anointing oil upon Aaron's head, and anointed him, to sanctify him.”

After being washed, and clothed, Aaron and his sons were marked with blood:

“And thou shalt take the other ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram. Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.” Exodus 29:19-20

Note the significance of how the sacrificial blood was to be applied:

Not only did Moses sprinkle the blood on the altar and upon Aaron and his sons, along with the anointing oil, but each man was marked with blood on the right earlobe, the right thumb, and the right big toe. This was a token reminder that they must listen to God's Word, do God's work, and walk in God's way. The blood speaks of sacrifice, so the priests became "living sacrifices" in the service of the Lord. (The Bible Exposition Commentary: Old Testament )

Many believe that the blood is applied immediately when one accepts Jesus as their personal savior. However, take the time to read the twenty-ninth chapter of Exodus. What you will find is a sequence of events that parallel the New Testament salvation components.

1. Candidate accepts priestly calling.

2. Candidates are washed and adorned with holy garments. Ex 29:4

3. Oil is poured over the head of the priest. Ex 29:7

4. The priestly office is secured. Ex 29:9

5. The blood is applied after obedience to God’s commands above. Ex 29:20

After stating how the priestly office is secured, the Word instructs us about our Christian walk and how to honor God with various types of offerings.

The New Testament parallel is as follows:

1. Acceptance of Jesus sacrifice and repentance

2. Water Baptism (receive the priestly garments)

3. Infilling of the Holy Ghost

4. Priestly office secured

5. Blood of Jesus sacrifice is applied

This is an amazing post. Great job. May the Lord bless you in what He is using for.

 

[TLC209]

actually it absolutely does. you refuse to accept it and in fact you will not even discuss it as we have seen from multiple threads you have created and in which you attempt to display superior knowledge that is actually removed from the clear path scripture presents

you conflate old and new testaments and throw scripture icing over it to create confectionary disaster

I understand that your oneness Pentecostal teaching has led you down this path

but it is not too late to get off that path and understand the actual biblical view of baptism and the role it plays in the life of a believer

I mean you would have us be baptized in Jesus name only and if we have been baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, you would tell us to be re-baptized in Jesus name only because the first one didn't 'take'

you also hold to the belief that if you are not speaking in tongues, then you do not have the Holy Spirit...something also that scripture refutes directly and with obvious purpose in order to illustrate the fact only the blood of Christ is acceptable before God when it comes to salvation

in fact, Paul says no matter what gift you display, without love they are just a big bunch of noise

the legalistic renderings of your beliefs take away all grace and actually create a doctrine of works

the ONLY works that are acceptable to God are those He chooses to do through us by His Spirit

we are saved from DEAD WORKS...so many have done works that God calls dead.

the oneness Pentecostal sect teaches dead works for salvation because there is no other name under heaven by which we are saved and only through His blood

you take away from the glory of God and His gift to us and hinder the understanding of those who have not yet studied all these things

you teach a very dangerous and slippery slope that leads to bondage and is really not the gospel at all

This seems like a personal attack on Wansvic. I didnt hear him speak anything about oneness in his original post. Maybe you do not like him from previous posts? But this is pretty heavy attack ur firing at him. Along with others.

His post was fine. And the bible does teach that water baptism comes from God. It is not a man made command. And as far as oneness, that belief is erred but even if someone is in error we shouldnt attack them. You cant win anyone over by throwing stones. We should walk in love and the Spirit of truth will lead the person to see what is true apart from what is not. Youre only hurting your view point by attacking him. God wants us to win people over by love and His word.

His Word shows everything wansvic pointed out. Wansvic views on Holy Spirit and oneness is another thread possibly.

 

[TLC209]

So what's your point? Of course as a disciple were suppose to observe and follow the things Jesus taught and commanded. He commanded some people to go "and sin no more." Do you think they lived the rest of their lives not sinning? He said at John 14:12, "Truly, truly I say to you, he who believes in Me the works that I do shall he do also, and GREATER works than these shall he do, because I go to the Father."

What do you suppose those greater works are wansvic? Are you doing them? And getting back to Matthew 28:19 does your church water baptize in the (singular) name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." No, you baptizen in the name of Jesus Christ only. Now, I am "NOT" arguing with you but rather trying to get you to think and have an open mind about your belief system.

One poster said this: "
dear Brothers and Sisters, how we await the days ahead when we all
will
come together in 'unity and faith and Love'..." Try telling that to the Unitarians, the Christadelphians, the JW's, the Mormons, the Buddhist, the Muslims and I could name a hundred more. Christianity is "NOT" about everybody trying to get along and sing the song "kumbaya" around a camp fire.

If the essential doctrines or teachings of Christianity are wrong then all that follows is wrong as well. The following it by "staunch" oneness person I debated and have known for many years. Here is how he defines God.

"Jesus is the Word, the God, the flesh, the Spirit, the man, the FAther, the Son, the Alpha & Omega, the Lord God Almighty, He is all of them! the Father, Son and Holy Ghost refers to all that Jesus is, not two members in a godhead of three gods." Tell me, do you agree with this definition? Do you really think as a Trinitarian I am teaching "Polytheism" and am worshiping three gods?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Thats not trinitarianism thats oneness.

 

[TLC209]

I can't provide evidence from the Bible, (specifically from the New Testament) that anyone used the exact words from Matthew 28:19 to water baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and in the name of the Holy Spirit. However, what you are doing is making what is known in "logic" an argument from silence. In other words, no one can present proof of a negative assertion.

For example, if you say to me, "Show me in the book of Acts where anybody stated that Jesus Christ was God." I could not do it but Jesus is identifed as God in the Bible at other places which means your argument is baseless.

So, let's deal with what we do know wansvic. Since your a real big fan of the word, "COMMAND" what does Jesus Christ clearly say at Matthew 28:20? "teaching them (that is the disciples first) to observe ALL THAT I COMMANDED YOU; and lo, I am with you always even to the end of the age." So did He, or did He not say to water baptize in the (singular) name (or under the authorty) of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? Now what are you going to say or do? Let me guess, Matthew 28:19 is a mistranslation with very little manuscript support and should not be in the Bible in the first place?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

It says to baptize in THE NAME (singular). So what is the name? If the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit share the same name.. what is the name?

What name is above every name?
The bible says Jesus inherited His name. A name that is above every name. When we inherit something we can guess that He inherited it from His Father.

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Now secondly if Jesus inherited His name from His Father. He tells the jews, I come in MY FATHERS NAME. So if He comes in His Fathers name then we can assume His Fathers name is Jesus. A name that is inherited and a name that is above every name.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

THE NAME of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. In acts people were babtized in THE NAME of Jesus Christ. So my guess is, thats THE NAME Jesus commanded all to be baptized in. All power and authority was given to Jesus. So thats what makes sense. There is power in THE NAME of Jesus.

 

[Nehemiah6]

It says to baptize in THE NAME (singular). So what is the name? If the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit share the same name.. what is the name?

"The Name" -- Ha Shem -- is a substitute for יהוה "YHVH" the personal name of God. Devout Jews fear to say "God" and will speak of Ha Shem or write G-d, or substitute Adonai (LORD in the KJV in small capitals) for that name. So God (the Godhead) = the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

 

[Wansvic]

Baptism was symbolic of the inner cleansing only. Water does not wash away sins, and that is not what Ananias was indicating.

It does line up with many other scriptures on the topic:

"John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins." Mark 1:4-5

"And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace." Luke 1:76-79

And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Luke 3:3-4

Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Luke 24:46-47

"...be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins..." Acts 2:38

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. Acts 10:43
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Acts 10:43, 47-48

The bible means what it says otherwise it would be useless as a way of establishing what God expects of us.

 

[mailmandan]

Your comments seem to indicate that your negative feelings toward a denomination keep you from even considering the points the bible itself makes clear.

Why would I have positive feelings toward a denomination that perverts the gospel and holds to erroneous doctrines? I have no problem considering the points the Bible itself makes clear. Even Wikipedia can figure out - Besides their beliefs about the Godhead, Oneness Pentecostals differ significantly from most other Pentecostal and Evangelical Christians in matters of soteriology. Whereas most Pentecostals and evangelicals believe that only faith in Jesus Christ is the essential element for salvation, Oneness Pentecostalism defines salvation as repentance, full-submersion water baptism (in the name of Jesus Christ) and baptism in the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. Many also tend to emphasize strict "holiness standards" in dress, grooming and other areas of personal conduct that are not necessarily shared by other Pentecostal groups, at least not to the degree that is generally found in some Oneness churches. -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneness_Pentecostalism

Please consider what I pointed out to another individual it applies to you as well:

Your response still does not take into account that each and every water baptism recorded was performed in the name of the Lord Jesus. Surely the disciples administered baptism the way Jesus prescribed. Otherwise the biblical record would include usage of the titles if that was what Jesus had meant by His words in Matt 28:19, it does not.

Jesus clearly meant what He said in Matthew 28:19 - "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." So once again, the phrase, "in the name of Jesus," is not a reference to a baptismal formula but a reference to authority. It's similar to hearing someone say, "stop in the name of the Law!" We understand that the "name of the Law" means by the authority of the Law. It's the same with baptism "in Jesus' name." To baptize in Jesus' name is to baptize in the authority of Jesus. Reciting the specific words, "in Jesus name" during baptism is not a magical formula for salvation and believers who were baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit are not still lost in their sins because the specific words, "in Jesus name" were not recited during their baptism as Oneness Pentecostals erroneously teach.

Paul's comments to the Corinthians and the Ephesus disciples make it clear the name of Jesus was used in water baptism:

Do you believe that ONLY those who were water baptized and the specific words, "in Jesus name" were used during their baptism will be saved? Do you also believe that those who were water baptized and the specific words, "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" were used during their baptism will not be saved? I've heard other Oneness Pentecostals answer YES to both questions.

"Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" 1 Cor 1:12-13 Even though many issues were problematic in Corinth Paul begins with what he had heard from Chloe’s people: the Corinthians were contending amongst themselves and lines were being drawn around various people: Paul, Apollos, Cephas/Peter, and Christ (1 Corinthians 1:11-12).

Christ is certainly not divided and if things got worse in Corinth there might well have been the church of Paul, the church of Apollos, the church of Cephas, as opposed to just the singular “Church of God.” (1 Corinthians 1:2)

"Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." Acts 19:4-5

Once again, the phrase is used in the Bible as an expression of authority. This is clarified elsewhere: Acts 4:17 - "But in order that it may not spread any further among the people, let us warn them to speak no more to any man in this name. 18 And when they had summoned them, they commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus." Acts 5:40 - "And they took his advice; and after calling the apostles in, they flogged them and ordered them to speak no more in the name of Jesus, and then released them." Acts 8:12 - "But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike." Acts 9:27 - "But Barnabas took hold of him and brought him to the apostles and described to them how he had seen the Lord on the road, and that He had talked to him, and how at Damascus he had spoken out boldly in the name of Jesus. 28 And he was with them moving about freely in Jerusalem, speaking out boldly in the name of the Lord."

Why such denial?

I'm not in denial about "in the name of Jesus" being a reference to authority. Why are you in such denial about the words of Jesus in Matthew 28:19 stating what He clearly said: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."

Because the enemy does not want people to believe and receive the name that is above all names. The word expressly states that everything we do in word and deed is to be done in Jesus' name. (Col 3:17) Jesus is the name whereby we must be saved. (John 20:31; Acts 10:43) Through the name of Jesus we receive salvation. Jesus is the name above all names. (Philippians 2:9)

The enemy wants people to trust in anything else EXCEPT IN CHRIST ALONE for salvation. If the enemy can keep you trusting in baptism formulas, baptism itself, speaking in tongues, works in general etc.. INSTEAD OF TRUSTING IN CHRIST ALONE FOR SALVATION then his mission is accomplished. (2 Corinthians 4:3,4)

Now John 20:31; Acts 10:43; Philippians 2:9 and Colossians 3:17 are all excellent scriptures and hold true! Yet believing/trusting in water baptism formulas, water baptism itself, speaking in tongues or works in general for salvation is not the cause of receiving salvation. That's not believing IN HIS NAME, but is believing in water baptism formulas, water baptism itself, speaking in tongues and works in general. John 1:12 - But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name.

Those who believe in Him/in His name are trusting exclusively in Jesus for salvation and not in works for salvation. (Ephesians 2:8,9) It's no accident that numerous false religions and cults teach salvation by works (with a heavy emphasis on water baptism) including Roman Catholicism and Mormonism.

 

[Wansvic]

This is an amazing post. Great job. May the Lord bless you in what He is using for.

To God be all the glory. He points and gives the revelation I just start typing.
We serve an amazing God! May God continue to bless you as well.

 

[mailmandan]

Baptism was symbolic of the inner cleansing only. Water does not wash away sins, and that is not what Ananias was indicating.

Amen! Greek scholar AT Robertson points out that baptism here pictures the washing away of sins by the blood of Christ. The language in Acts 22:16 is similar to the statement of Christ when He took the bread and said, "This is my body" (Matthew 26:26). The bread was only the emblem of His body. Baptism is the emblem of the washing away of sins by the blood of Christ. Every time a believer is immersed he washes away his sins in the same SENSE Paul did: not literally, but ceremonially, pointing to the blood of Christ by which sins are actually washed away. (1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5)

Excellent article on Acts 22:16 - https://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com/2015/03/acts-2216-baptism-essential-for.html

 

[KJV1611]

My opinion is that the water is symbolic of the word of God.

 

[mailmandan]

My opinion is that the water is symbolic of the word of God.

John 15:3 - You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
Ephesians 5:26 - that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word.
1 Peter 1:23 - having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

This seems like a personal attack on Wansvic. I didnt hear him speak anything about oneness in his original post. Maybe you do not like him from previous posts? But this is pretty heavy attack ur firing at him. Along with others.

His post was fine. And the bible does teach that water baptism comes from God. It is not a man made command. And as far as oneness, that belief is erred but even if someone is in error we shouldnt attack them. You cant win anyone over by throwing stones. We should walk in love and the Spirit of truth will lead the person to see what is true apart from what is not. Youre only hurting your view point by attacking him. God wants us to win people over by love and His word.

His Word shows everything wansvic pointed out. Wansvic views on Holy Spirit and oneness is another thread possibly.

I have no interest in the type of nonsense you seem to be posting

I have read your comments in the tongues thread and they are as ignorant and nasty as the day is long

you seem to have some kind of personal interpretation going on and I am not interested

Wansvics posts are ANYTHING but fine.

YOU are attacking others CONSTANTLY and your behavior is not the example you should be setting

you have a rather high opinion of yourself and I am NOT interested

now how's that. call it what you want..report it...I could care less

and by the way wansvic is a FEMALE

you are insulting her...now she will tell you are not because she thinks she is the be all and end all of knowing how people are saved around here

look around you. she is oneness Pentecostal...and that is not biblically sound

you have some nerve actually. correct yourself. you need to with the way you attack people and think you know more than anyone else

hope that was clear

go and learn some manners and study scripture before acting like some kind of superior being

 

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This seems like a personal attack on Wansvic. I didnt hear him speak anything about oneness in his original post. Maybe you do not like him from previous posts? But this is pretty heavy attack ur firing at him. Along with others

the irony of the above comment coming from someone who joins a thread to insult others is beyond the pale

notice how he tries to make it sound I have personal angry feelings against someone while he gets his face all up in my business

so does that mean we all hate wansvic because we do not agree with her oneness Pentecostal interpretations?

of course not!

but I guess trouble makers gotta make trouble and go looking for it and then falsely accuse

I am so up to here with this nonsense some manufacture.