Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

You are not saved to do good works, that would cancel out grace.

This right here takes the cake as one of the most idiotic statements I have seen on this site....and it shows a complete lack of understanding on your part....and whoever liked it is just as bad.....Ephesians 2:8-10 is clear.....

Do not ever address me again....you are not of GOD....and us arguing your religious blather and drivel is getting no where.....

 

[stonesoffire]

Where in Hebrews does it say "you will fall from grace by turning to the law"? Please

That’s the point the book is making. There were Jewish believers mixing law and grace. Grace is actually the power of the gift of Holy Spirit within. No law needed when we have the new nature which is Gods image within. He is always at work in us on our behalf.

 

[stonesoffire]

'Branch' - English not my first language.

In My Opinion, Abrahamic covenant is eternal and in eternity, there will not be Israel as Nation not Jews as a tribe.

It’s not really an opinion is it noose? I think scriptures declare all believers are one in the body of Jesus.

 

[Noose]

More conflation = false gospel....
Until you get through your head that you cannot conflate truths and be right you will continue to walk in error and darkness......

Matthew 24 Is NOT about salvation....get that though your head

Yes it is about salvation.

Matt 24:
9Then they will deliver you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations on account of My name. 10At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another, 11and many false prophets will arise and mislead many.

12Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. 13But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

The one who stands against false teachings from false prophets
The one who holds on to faith even during persecution
The one who will not succumb and hate others
The one who will not follow wickedness because there's multiplication of wickedness

Surely, such a man shall be saved.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Has anyone ever thought that possibly Jesus is addressing the 12 tribes here and not His owned body?

The vine is the people of God, the people of Israel, who became the people of Christ.
It is controversial to some that the church is now the people of God, and the church has
inherited the promises to Abraham spiritually rather than physically.

It is though impossible to ignore, Jesus is the vine, we are the branches.
Paul says we are grafted into the vine because of the unbelief of the people of Israel.

So in summary Israel and the church are now one in Jesus.

 

[Noose]

Ok, I was waiting to answer. What Jesus is actually speaking about when talking about endurance is our first love. He assures us we will have tribulation but is asking will our love for Him remain?

What is this love for Him? can you describe it becoz the bible says we didn't love Him but He loved us.

 

[dcontroversal]

Yes it is about salvation.

Matt 24:
9Then they will deliver you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations on account of My name. 10At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another, 11and many false prophets will arise and mislead many.

12Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. 13But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

The one who stands against false teachings from false prophets
The one who holds on to faith even during persecution
The one who will not succumb and hate others
The one who will not follow wickedness because there's multiplication of wickedness

Surely, such a man shall be saved.

NO it is not deceiver...the context is physical preservation during the tribulation period....

Do not address me.....you are a deceiver, you lie, twist and embellish scripture, reject truth and engaging you is a waste of time.....

NO need to respond until you start being HONEST.....end of story

 

[DeighAnn]

'Branch' - English not my first language.

In My Opinion, Abrahamic covenant is eternal and in eternity, there will not be Israel as Nation not Jews as a tribe.

Well you are rocking it. That is a gift. I am positive, I am speaking as one who received NOT a smidgeon of it.

 

[Noose]

It’s not really an opinion is it noose? I think scriptures declare all believers are one in the body of Jesus.

Yes, that's right.

 

[dcontroversal]

The following is a comparison between the bible and salvation losers......and make no mistake...this is exactly what they peddle and or how they butcher the word of God by their losable salvation....

Bible -->I will never leave thee or forsake thee
Salvation Losers ---->Jesus is a liar and will leave us and forsake us

Bible --->We are saved to the uttermost and kept by the power of God through faith
Salvation losers --->The power of God is weak and inept, we are not saved to the uttermost and GOD does not keep us

Bible -->Jesus begins, finishes and completes the work of faith in us
Salvation losers --->WE must maintain our faith because JESUS does not finish and complete the work of faith in us

Bible -->He that believes on the SON is having everlasting/eternal life
Salvation losers --->He that believes and MAINTAINS his belief on the SON is having temporal life based upon what he does or does not do

Bible -->Therefore we conclude a man is justified by faith without the deeds/works of the law
Salvation losers -->James out of context tells us we are justified by our works before God

Bible -->It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe
Salvation losers --->It pleased God by works, church membership, baptism, pew jumping, speaking in tongues, back flipping down the isle, saying 57 hail Mary's, taking the Lord's supper, keeping the sacraments and a dozen other religiously zealous man made efforts to save them

Bible -->NOTHING can separate us from the love of GOD
Salvation losers -->Numerous things can separate us from the love of GOD

Bible--->We are in the Son's hand, the Father's hand and NO AN can remove us from that position
Salvation losers -->The above is false, we can remove ourselves because God is weak and inept

Bible -->We are sealed unto the day of redemption
Salvation losers-->The seal of God can be broken because God is weak and inept

Bible --->Where sin abounds, grace abounds the more
Salvation losers--> We qualify, quantify sin and God's grace only covers those small sins when we mess up and for sure we have never lost it, but eternal security believers lose it because they believe they can live any way they want and live like the devil

Bible --->He that believes on the Son is not condemned
Salvation losers --> Believers are condemned all the time and returned to being goats after becoming sheep

Bible --> I will lose nothing, but raise it up the last day
Salvation losers -->God loses people all the time because he is too weak to keep them saved

Bible--> We are born again from above by INCORRUPTIBLE SEED
Salvation losers --> We are not born of incorruptible seed, because that seed can be corrupted and one die lost after being born again

Bible --> The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable
Salvation losers -->God's free GIFT of salvation can be revoked because GOD will break ALL the above promises and send one to hell after being saved

ETC.............I dare to say that salvation losers are false.....and what they peddle is not of GOD and as blasphemous as it comes......the above is a SMALL sample of scriptural promises that MUST BE DENIED, REJECTED and or SWEPT UNDER THE TABLE to peddle a dime store salvation that cannot be found in the bible and or a dime store salvation that devalues the work, promises and ministry of CHRIST!!!!!!!

 

[FollowHisSteps]

An alliance of people of faith in Christ.

We might agree that gnostic views of faith, passive faith is not biblical and scripture
support working faith, faith that creates fruit of action and visibility.

But this does not means we agree with ideas on the sabbath, or festivals, or Israel or many
other issues, but in love we are happy to discuss and see others perspectives. I know in
my walk, my emphasis has shifted and Jesus is happy for us to explore, love and appreciate
one another in Him. I would even declare part of our walk is this discovery and expression
of love, even when we disagree, because the Lord in His time will reveal all, and it is our
expressing appreciation of each other than matters more than the content, God bless you

 

[DeighAnn]

That’s the point the book is making. There were Jewish believers mixing law and grace. Grace is actually the power of the gift of Holy Spirit within. No law needed when we have the new nature which is Gods image within. He is always at work in us on our behalf.

Then why Matt 5 did Jesus state the Law of Moses and turn around and say " But I say" and make that law so much stricter? Jews didn't have the Holy Spirit, they had the law. The Comforter didn't come until AFTER Jesus died. That is why they had the day of atonement. But you search it out in the Word, DC says I know nothing so take that into consideration

 

[Noose]

This right here takes the cake as one of the most idiotic statements I have seen on this site....and it shows a complete lack of understanding on your part....and whoever liked it is just as bad.....Ephesians 2:8-10 is clear.....

Do not ever address me again....you are not of GOD....and us arguing your religious blather and drivel is getting no where.....

This is like the 3rd time you are saying this to me. I already accepted i'm an idiot and i don't want to address you as it offends you, but why are you addressing an idiot?

 

[dcontroversal]

This is like the 3rd time you are saying this to me. I already accepted i'm an idiot and i don't want to address you as it offends you, but why are you addressing an idiot?

Quit addressing me....you have no scriptural honesty and or integrity......!!
AND I never called you an IDIOT.....just some of the things you say are idiotic

 

[stonesoffire]

The vine is the people of God, the people of Israel, who became the people of Christ.
It is controversial to some that the church is now the people of God, and the church has
inherited the promises to Abraham spiritually rather than physically.

It is though impossible to ignore, Jesus is the vine, we are the branches.
Paul says we are grafted into the vine because of the unbelief of the people of Israel.

So in summary Israel and the church are now one in Jesus.

We are His body on earth. If we stick to this and try not to mix this with His dealing with Israel first, we may achieve unity.

The body of Jesus Christ will never Be “lost”. He Himself connects us to Him as members and we all have a part to play which is giving kingdom discipleship to all HE draws in.

This bickering and confusion as to who is who and what we are has to stop.

 

[DeighAnn]

Then why Matt 5 did Jesus state the Law of Moses and turn around and say " But I say" and make that law so much stricter? Jews didn't have the Holy Spirit, they had the law. The Comforter didn't come until AFTER Jesus died. That is why they had the day of atonement.

Quit addressing me....you have no scriptural honesty and or integrity......!!
AND I never called you an IDIOT.....just some of the things you say are idiotic

Maybe you could work on your approach if this happens a lot, I don't know anything, as you pointed out, maybe I have just learned something. You doubt it?

 

[Noose]

NO it is not deceiver...the context is physical preservation during the tribulation period....

Do not address me.....you are a deceiver, you lie, twist and embellish scripture, reject truth and engaging you is a waste of time.....

NO need to respond until you start being HONEST.....end of story

Ok, i'm starting to be honest.

God doesn't physically preserve anyone, they are taken out through painful death:

Psalm 116:
15Precious in the sight of the LORD
is the death of His saints.

Isa 57:
1The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
devout men are swept away,
with none considering
that the righteous are guided
from the presence of evil.

2Those who walk uprightly enter into peace;
they find rest, lying down in death.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Until you start teaching no one will learn. How you don't see pointing out what you see are the problems without teaching your solutions is never going to work I don't know. Shall I just write your retorts so you don't have to?

If dc attempted to explain his position, which is gnostic in essence, it would not get very far, because
it is pretty simple. It junks most of scripture, and all the effort the Lord and His people put into creating it.

That might be a clue this level of judgementalism against the Creator of All is sinful and not the way to go.

Scripture is such an odd book. It speaks so many different ways every time you read it.
There maybe a joke going on here as well, that we think we understand how our lives work, when actually
this is all Gods construction, creation and meaning. What is also odd, is the book as written does not matter
as much as the word dwelling in our hearts and minds, which is Christ is us, Amen

 

[Noose]

Quit addressing me....you have no scriptural honesty and or integrity......!!
AND I never called you an IDIOT.....just some of the things you say are idiotic

Me and my words are one.

 

[stonesoffire]

Then why Matt 5 did Jesus state the Law of Moses and turn around and say " But I say" and make that law so much stricter? Jews didn't have the Holy Spirit, they had the law. The Comforter didn't come until AFTER Jesus died. That is why they had the day of atonement. But you search it out in the Word, DC says I know nothing so take that into consideration

These are things that their understanding was not yet quickened as to the heart of man. Their way was to follow rules and regulations.

They remembered His words after being born again and recognizes they are different. That is what we all proclaim isn’t it? We know we aren’t the same and it’s instant. A new heart. One after the nature of God.

So this is grace. God does the work within us. He gets all the praise and glory. It’s a higher way. If we attempt to do something to cause salvation in any way, it will be tainted for only Gods work is perfect.

We are a new creation. A Genesis.