Not By Works
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9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
10 But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness.
11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.
Rom 8
If we do not show the fruits of the Spirit, do not have the fear of God or respect of His word, are we in Christ?
Is it possible to argue faith from youth but be driven by us and them all ones life, and not realise where we
really are, and who is our saviour?
If our life is threatened do we turn to God or to our own personal protection?
I remember hearing of a nun who 3 young revolutionaries threatened with killing.
Her response was to laugh, because though they could take her life, she had more confidence
and knowledge of existence and eternity than they did about any aspect of life and death.
They simply ran away. We are always in the Lords hands and He is sovereign, Amen
10 But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness.
11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.
Rom 8
If we do not show the fruits of the Spirit, do not have the fear of God or respect of His word, are we in Christ?
Is it possible to argue faith from youth but be driven by us and them all ones life, and not realise where we
really are, and who is our saviour?
If our life is threatened do we turn to God or to our own personal protection?
I remember hearing of a nun who 3 young revolutionaries threatened with killing.
Her response was to laugh, because though they could take her life, she had more confidence
and knowledge of existence and eternity than they did about any aspect of life and death.
They simply ran away. We are always in the Lords hands and He is sovereign, Amen
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Most people in here who talk works are talking about works as in works of the law Obedience to the moral code.
There are self righteous works, and works which proceed from God.
I like your example. It is hard to understand two people claiming to be christian can help that lady. Which one does it in sin, and the other does it in love.
There are self righteous works, and works which proceed from God.
I like your example. It is hard to understand two people claiming to be christian can help that lady. Which one does it in sin, and the other does it in love.
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Yes I agree, but even the born again believer can turn a blind eye to those who need help and be lazy etc., and I am not saying that is right or what God wants but ... if works were automatic I think that Paul, James, Peter etc., would not have had to write as much instruction to the churches.
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Saying works will happen, and they are automatic is not the same
A baby christian will not do a bunch of works, but there will be some change, and some fruit. The more mature a child of God becomes, the more they will bear fruit (work)
Saying someone can have the HS come into them, be born of God and made a new creature and do absolutely no works.. I will never buy that, I may not see the work. But they will do something, as a changed person.
It is not my job to be a fruit inspector anyway..
A baby christian will not do a bunch of works, but there will be some change, and some fruit. The more mature a child of God becomes, the more they will bear fruit (work)
Saying someone can have the HS come into them, be born of God and made a new creature and do absolutely no works.. I will never buy that, I may not see the work. But they will do something, as a changed person.
It is not my job to be a fruit inspector anyway..
I agree with both of you but must place emphasis upon two absolute truths....
a. A believer has done works already in BELIEVING on the one that was SENT <---the works of the Heavenly Father
b. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
The above two truths cannot be swept under the table nor can they be embellished with more than the truth that they represent.
HOW many works PROVE salvation, can ANY WORKS prove salvation?
LOST men do MANY wonderful works in the name of JESUS every day<---the MANY that come before the throne and some MEN DIE with ONE WORK....believing on the one whom was SENT.......FAITH saves regardless of any and all work
a. A believer has done works already in BELIEVING on the one that was SENT <---the works of the Heavenly Father
b. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
The above two truths cannot be swept under the table nor can they be embellished with more than the truth that they represent.
HOW many works PROVE salvation, can ANY WORKS prove salvation?
LOST men do MANY wonderful works in the name of JESUS every day<---the MANY that come before the throne and some MEN DIE with ONE WORK....believing on the one whom was SENT.......FAITH saves regardless of any and all work
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I agree
But to say someone can have true saving faith, yet have no fruit which results in that faith. Is just wrong.
Again, I may not see the works. It does not mean they are not their, or even that I must see them.
A dog stops being a dog. He changes, and acts diffentrly, that is works.
If the dog continues to act like a dog. Well then they are still a dog. And have not yet been saved.
But as you say, Many people can do many works and even look religious. But have never even met god.. So using works to determine if a perosn is saved or not is a fautly endeavor.
Lets not be fruit inspectors. Lets be fruit producers.. (allowing God to work in us to produce fruit)
But to say someone can have true saving faith, yet have no fruit which results in that faith. Is just wrong.
Again, I may not see the works. It does not mean they are not their, or even that I must see them.
A dog stops being a dog. He changes, and acts diffentrly, that is works.
If the dog continues to act like a dog. Well then they are still a dog. And have not yet been saved.
But as you say, Many people can do many works and even look religious. But have never even met god.. So using works to determine if a perosn is saved or not is a fautly endeavor.
Lets not be fruit inspectors. Lets be fruit producers.. (allowing God to work in us to produce fruit)
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Like I have said...FAITH places us into the VINE...the ROOT (JESUS) produces the fruit and we but bear the FRUIT that he bears through us as a living sacrifices....and we come full circle.....
A tree, blackberry bush, cucumber vine etc. ALL take growth and maturity to produce.....and as they grow an mature they may produce a little or an abundance depending on many factors.....
A tree, blackberry bush, cucumber vine etc. ALL take growth and maturity to produce.....and as they grow an mature they may produce a little or an abundance depending on many factors.....
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