Joshua Harris Leaving His Wife and His Faith :(

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
L

LittleMermaid

Guest
#1
#1
Joshua Harris the author of 'I Kissed Dating Goodbye' is leaving his wife, leaving his faith and apologizing to the LGBTQ community.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/...to-news-of-him-leaving-wife-christianity.html

I remember reading his books as a young Christian in my late teens. I thought the ideas were awesome and helpful. When he took back what he said in his books, I knew it was just a matter of time. I knew something was wrong. I'm so sad but I hope and pray he comes back to the light.
 
RickyZ

RickyZ

Senior Member
#2
Sep 20, 2012
9,635
787
113
#2
That's ok. According to many on this site, one cannot leave their faith. They remain saved whether they want to be or not.
 
Deuteronomy

Deuteronomy

Well-known member
#3
Jun 11, 2018
3,344
3,720
113
68
#3
Thanks @LittleMermaid. I noted that Harris said he fell away from the Christian faith, from believing in Jesus. Do you know if he's written how or why he believes this happened to him :unsure:

Thanks!

~Deut
p.s. - sad news such as this should be a reminder to us all of how much we need to be praying regularly for our pastors, who are often primary targets of our common enemy :(
 
PennEd

PennEd

Senior Member
#4
Apr 22, 2013
13,614
9,127
113
#4
RickyZ said:
That's ok. According to many on this site, one cannot leave their faith. They remain saved whether they want to be or not.
Click to expand...
Kind of a deceptive post Ricky. Why did you leave out 1 John 2:19?

That’s what the true, permanent children of God say.
 
G

Godsgirl83

Guest
#5
#5
I too was sad to hear this. I was intrigued by a thread in the singles forum here one day. I was going to refer I kissed dating goodbye because I remember reading it and how it made so much sense. In the days before this I had found out disturbing news of "christian" artist who had confessed homosexual lifestyles and turned from the faith. I must admit, it deeply disturbed me.
With that being so fresh in my mind, I felt a nudging (if you will) telling me to check out Joshua Harris........ I was surprised to learn the news and thus DID NOT write the reply I wanted in the thread........
 
Subhumanoidal

Subhumanoidal

Well-known member
#6
Sep 17, 2018
4,094
3,196
113
#6
RickyZ said:
That's ok. According to many on this site, one cannot leave their faith. They remain saved whether they want to be or not.
Click to expand...
I bet if you were a politician you'd be the kind to go to a shooting funeral and use it to talk about gun control.
 
RickyZ

RickyZ

Senior Member
#7
Sep 20, 2012
9,635
787
113
#7
Subhumanoidal said:
I bet if you were a politician you'd be the kind to go to a shooting funeral and use it to talk about gun control.
Click to expand...
No, no, actually I would make a case for human control; but I think we all know how far that would get.
 
Roughsoul1991

Roughsoul1991

Senior Member
#8
Sep 17, 2016
8,888
4,539
113
#8
Always sad to see this. Unfortunately most leave the faith due to personal issues and not logical reasons. As in he has said nothing so far to give any reason for leaving the faith based on its untruthfulness. So far everything said has been personal feelings.
 
Ahwatukee

Ahwatukee

Senior Member
#9
Mar 12, 2015
11,159
2,376
113
#9
RickyZ said:
That's ok. According to many on this site, one cannot leave their faith. They remain saved whether they want to be or not.
Click to expand...
Well made point RickyZ. This is what I have been saying all along, that is that we are saved by grace through faith, a faith from beginning to end and not just a one time confession. I compare it to the believer being the plug and God's grace being the wall outlet. As long as the believer remains plugged in (continuing in faith) they remain connected to God's saving grace. However, once they unplug (apostasy/fall away), they have wandered from the truth and are accumulating sin which leads to death. If once saved always saved was true, one would have to wonder why all the warnings to believers throughout the Bible to not be willfully living according to the sinful nature. Why worry about it if one is saved no matter how they live? I believe Paul succinctly answered this question when he said:

"But now He has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy, unblemished, and blameless in His presence— if indeed you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope of the gospel you heard, which has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant."

So, being presented holy, unblemished and blameless, is dependent on what is emboldened in black above.
 
S

seed_time_harvest

Senior Member
#10
Dec 9, 2011
14,142
1,806
113
#10
RickyZ said:
That's ok. According to many on this site, one cannot leave their faith. They remain saved whether they want to be or not.
Click to expand...
The bible says that a person who Is saved will seek to purify themselves even as they are pure,In other words If they were really saved they won't walk away.
 
Lanolin

Lanolin

Well-known member
#11
Dec 15, 2018
23,460
7,188
113
#11
Did he turn gay or something? I dont understand, the article didnt give a reason, and then all of a sudden hes apologizing to the lbqt community. Hes leaving his wife for.....someone else, or to live on his own in an apartment and get weekend visits or what? And why does he have to announce it in the paper.

Or is he just going on holiday or quitting church to do...what? Sit by himself? Do art?
 
P

pomeranian

Banned
#12
Jul 22, 2019
189
36
28
#12
PennEd said:
Kind of a deceptive post Ricky. Why did you leave out 1 John 2:19?

That’s what the true, permanent children of God say.
Click to expand...
PennEd I read the scripture 1 John 2:18-27, are you saying all people who are doubt or are confused are AntiChrists?
 
A

Adstar

Senior Member
#13
Jul 24, 2016
7,600
3,623
113
#13
Never believed in OSAS.. People can and do cast away their salvation by coming to disbelieve in the Gospel...
 
PennEd

PennEd

Senior Member
#14
Apr 22, 2013
13,614
9,127
113
#14
Ahwatukee said:
Well made point RickyZ. This is what I have been saying all along, that is that we are saved by grace through faith, a faith from beginning to end and not just a one time confession. I compare it to the believer being the plug and God's grace being the wall outlet. As long as the believer remains plugged in (continuing in faith) they remain connected to God's saving grace. However, once they unplug (apostasy/fall away), they have wandered from the truth and are accumulating sin which leads to death. If once saved always saved was true, one would have to wonder why all the warnings to believers throughout the Bible to not be willfully living according to the sinful nature. Why worry about it if one is saved no matter how they live? I believe Paul succinctly answered this question when he said:

"But now He has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy, unblemished, and blameless in His presence— if indeed you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope of the gospel you heard, which has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant."

So, being presented holy, unblemished and blameless, is dependent on what is emboldened in black above.
Click to expand...
Again, you neglect to take 1 John 2:19 into account. If this fellow goes the rest of his life in unbelief it proves HE WAS NEVER saved to begin with, NOT that he was saved, born again, and died a Spiritually death again.

It is not "once saved always saved". It's Once BORN AGAIN, FOREVER HIS CHILD! Of course OBAFHIC doesn't quite have the ring to it as OSAS does! LOL

As for the warnings, I believe they are there for those that THINK they are saved. Paul is exhorting those who take the Name of Lord, Christians, to examine THEMSELVES, and if they are caught up in some of the laundry list of sins chronicled in several epistles, they must repent, NOT OF THE SINS (although that will come) but that they have never truly believed that Jesus IS God come in the flesh, HAS DIED for THEIR sins, rose on the 3rd day, and that NOTHING they do can aid Him in what He has done for them and to them.

This is why I am so troubled by those that think God will toss some of His Children in hell, by losing their Salvation because of something THEY did, or didn't do. I am concerned if they truly DO believe Jesus' atoning Sacrifice is enough. I am not angry or care about scoring pts. I am saddened by them.

You see, if one is truly born again, the HOLY SPIRIT will work in a person's life to mold and shape them into the likeness of Jesus. We ARE good trees! We are sheep! We don't vacillate between being a good or bad tree, or a sheep and a goat.

JUST TRUST JESUS!
 
PennEd

PennEd

Senior Member
#15
Apr 22, 2013
13,614
9,127
113
#15
pomeranian said:
PennEd I read the scripture 1 John 2:18-27, are you saying all people who are doubt or are confused are AntiChrists?
Click to expand...
No. Don't think I said that at all. But those that say Jesus isn't God come in the flesh, and claim at one time they believed that, certainly are.
 
Oncefallen

Oncefallen

Idiot in Chief
Staff member
#16
Jan 15, 2011
6,070
3,458
113
#16
seed_time_harvest said:
The bible says that a person who Is saved will seek to purify themselves even as they are pure,In other words If they were really saved they won't walk away.
Click to expand...
1 John 2:19

19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
 
P

pomeranian

Banned
#17
Jul 22, 2019
189
36
28
#17
Oncefallen said:
1 John 2:19

19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
Click to expand...
So this answer implies you don't believe that anyone can commit the unforgivable sin, please share your thoughts on Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5?
 
P

pomeranian

Banned
#18
Jul 22, 2019
189
36
28
#18
Adstar said:
Never believed in OSAS.. People can and do cast away their salvation by coming to disbelieve in the Gospel...
Click to expand...
If you believe that once you are gifted with the Holy Spirit you are can never deny GOD; you are also saying there is no such thing as the unforgivable sin which Jesus himself taught us is possible.
Matthew 12:31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
 
P

pomeranian

Banned
#19
Jul 22, 2019
189
36
28
#19
Lanolin said:
Did he turn gay or something? I dont understand, the article didnt give a reason, and then all of a sudden hes apologizing to the lbqt community. Hes leaving his wife for.....someone else, or to live on his own in an apartment and get weekend visits or what? And why does he have to announce it in the paper.

Or is he just going on holiday or quitting church to do...what? Sit by himself? Do art?
Click to expand...
according to GOD's commandments which is the greater sin homosexuality or adultery (both seem to be running rampant in this time) or is all sexually immoral sin equal? Keeping in mind an involuntary semen emission renders a body unclean for a time.
Leviticus 15:16 “If a man has an emission of semen, he shall bathe his whole body in water and be unclean until the evening.
 
P

pomeranian

Banned
#20
Jul 22, 2019
189
36
28
#20
PennEd said:
No. Don't think I said that at all. But those that say Jesus isn't God come in the flesh, and claim at one time they believed that, certainly are.
Click to expand...
So you don't believe it is possible to commit the unforgivable sin?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.