Didn’t God make all things Good?

[Adstar]

It matters to you!!!!....what Men believe... Hence the argument... and Why Jesus was hung on the cross... because men will attack you when you don’t think the way they do... I have a different relationship with God that you do.. and he shows me other things... does that make me Luciferian.. as someone mentioned?? Whether you believe in Jesus, or the guy next door ...doesn’t make him any less God than what he already is.. he doesn’t needs man’s permission and belief to Move in heaven or in Earth.... and pharaoh didn’t believe in the Hebrew God. Did that mean God didn’t have purpose for him??? You twist words... I only know one kind of spirit that does that... besides Jesus spoke truth to everybody. Whether his seed fell along the wayside, thorns or good ground.. he still spread it... what men do with what they are given is in their own free will.. We are all prepared by God for his purpose. Joseph’s sons were half Egyptian.... Revelation.. Whether for Good or evil the purpose is Gods... So you can continue to post all day anywhere... and push Your wisdom .. but I thank God to revealing things to babes and not to the wise... you use Gods word to offend.. while yet I am left to the defense of the gospel for your attack.. please leave me alone and find another post with your twisted Words...

Yes i does matter to me.. Because i am a human just like all other humans and want to see as many of my fellow humans saved.... You see things here as an argument as if i am out to attack you that i am out to seek harm upon you.. You are misreading the situation.. You are projecting an image upon me that you have built up in your own imagination..

There is only one Way to God so when it comes to a persons POV on that issue then it really does matter when someone else has an opposing view.. Also i never declared you to be Lucifarian at all.. I don't know who has been showing you what you now believe.. I only deal with the beliefs as i read them from your posts..

As i said before and i will say it again.. God can use both those who believe Him and those who are in opposition to Him.. Those who believe God will be gifted an eternal benefit after they are used in their lives.. Those who are in rebellion against God will be judged and will receive eternal condemnation.. I want as many as possible to be gifted with the eternal benefit..

I only know one kind of spirit that does that...

I hope you will be very careful about what kind of accusations you level upon others.. Because you are standing on the edge of eternal oblivion with this statement.

 

[TheWind]

A little deeper than New Age.... closer to Luciferian and Kabbalah

Yes i does matter to me.. Because i am a human just like all other humans and want to see as many of my fellow humans saved.... You see things here as an argument as if i am out to attack you that i am out to seek harm upon you.. You are misreading the situation.. You are projecting an image upon me that you have built up in your own imagination..

There is only one Way to God so when it comes to a persons POV on that issue then it really does matter when someone else has an opposing view.. Also i never declared you to be Lucifarian at all.. I don't know who has been showing you what you now believe.. I only deal with the beliefs as i read them from your posts..

As i said before and i will say it again.. God can use both those who believe Him and those who are in opposition to Him.. Those who believe God will be gifted an eternal benefit after they are used in their lives.. Those who are in rebellion against God will be judged and will receive eternal condemnation.. I want as many as possible to be gifted with the eternal benefit..



I hope you will be very careful about what kind of accusations you level upon others.. Because you are standing on the edge of eternal oblivion with this statement.

Really... who are you to threaten me to hell?

Like I said to the others.

For they call the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more will they call his children... shall I take it a compliment that they all think I am evil? or call me Luciferian???
Jesus was killed for his doctrine.. and they called him prince of Devils... and while other men hated the demon possessed.. he walked up and cast out the evil spirits by his Word.. and healed them...but the unbelievers didn’t believe.. the priests. The Rabbis. The ones who knew the prophecies and the gospels were the ones wanting him dead... Jesus came to teach them a doctrine of Love vs the old law... and they refused to hear... Is it you who refuses to open your ears? If I had known Christian chat was so aggressive. I would have never walked into this chat... however now I am glad I did... all things are for the Good right? you never know who you could meet or who your really talking to.. Afterall, God is a spirit of Love.. but love can have wrath if need be... Love will murder itself... Ask Jesus

 

[TheWind]

Are you suggesting the Satan is being who had no beginning?

Do you ask so you can try and prove me? Why do you really ask? You already say I am full of Luciferian doctrine.. so why do you want to know more??? Is it so you can exalt your knowledge against mine?
I will say what I believe. And if you want to call me a fool.. then quit asking me questions and replying to my answer...
I am saying in the seven days of creation, Moses never wrote into the scripture that God created evil or called something Satan.. however it was not good that man was alone... what comes out of that statement?? The only thing God said was not Good....Had nothing to do with a snake at that point..

I imagine in the beginning.. that God was in the capacity of the dark.. but I don’t believe that darkness was in God.. God being one... at that point. Not two.. until he made man in his image .. and Then spoke two into existence....Us, them, and l their... but likened the man to God. And like God, Adam was by himself at first. He was created in the seven days... Then Formed in the earth...

 

[UnderGrace]

Do you ask so you can try and prove me? Why do you really ask? You already say I am full of Luciferian doctrine.. so why do you want to know more??? Is it so you can exalt your knowledge against mine?
I will say what I believe. And if you want to call me a fool.. then quit asking me questions and replying to my answer...
I am saying in the seven days of creation, Moses never wrote into the scripture that God created evil or called something Satan.. however it was not good that man was alone... what comes out of that statement?? The only thing God said was not Good....Had nothing to do with a snake at that point..

I imagine in the beginning.. that God was in the capacity of the dark.. but I don’t believe that darkness was in God.. God being one... at that point. Not two.. until he made man in his image .. and Then spoke two into existence....Us, them, and l their... but likened the man to God. And like God, Adam was by himself at first. He was created in the seven days... Then Formed in the earth...

You are very defensive.
A lot of what you write closely aligns with that doctrine.
I need to think on the rest of what you have written.

 

[UnderGrace]

Really... who are you to threaten me to hell?

Like I said to the others.

For they call the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more will they call his children... shall I take it a compliment that they all think I am evil? or call me Luciferian???
Jesus was killed for his doctrine.. and they called him prince of Devils... and while other men hated the demon possessed.. he walked up and cast out the evil spirits by his Word.. and healed them...but the unbelievers didn’t believe.. the priests. The Rabbis. The ones who knew the prophecies and the gospels were the ones wanting him dead... Jesus came to teach them a doctrine of Love vs the old law... and they refused to hear... Is it you who refuses to open your ears? If I had known Christian chat was so aggressive. I would have never walked into this chat... however now I am glad I did... all things are for the Good right? you never know who you could meet or who your really talking to.. Afterall, God is a spirit of Love.. but love can have wrath if need be... Love will murder itself... Ask Jesus

I said what you have written has some Luciferian ideas, is there really such a thing as a Luciferian, I somewhat doubt it.

 

[TheWind]

I said what you have written has some Luciferian ideas, is there really such a thing as a Luciferian, I somewhat doubt it.

I didn’t call myself Luciferian.. someone else did... if you don’t believe in an idea “Luciferian” how are you able to accuse someone thoughts as such?

 

[TheWind]

I said what you have written has some Luciferian ideas, is there really such a thing as a Luciferian, I somewhat doubt it.

Yet you refer to it.. go figure. How do you know so much about Lucifer and his ideas?? That’s really my question ... my man...

 

[TheWind]

You are very defensive.
A lot of what you write closely aligns with that doctrine.
I need to think on the rest of what you have written.

Brood of vipers!! ... I have to be defensive. You call me Lucifer. Who does that? A Christian ??

 

[UnderGrace]

Brood of vipers!! ... I have to be defensive. You call me Lucifer. Who does that? A Christian ??

Are you sure, I really do not have the patience to go back, but I am pretty sure it was not you but the doctrine.

Just as an aside I have talked people online, of course, who do not mind the label.

 

[Adstar]

Really... who are you to threaten me to hell?

Like I said to the others.

For they call the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more will they call his children... shall I take it a compliment that they all think I am evil? or call me Luciferian???
Jesus was killed for his doctrine.. and they called him prince of Devils... and while other men hated the demon possessed.. he walked up and cast out the evil spirits by his Word.. and healed them...but the unbelievers didn’t believe.. the priests. The Rabbis. The ones who knew the prophecies and the gospels were the ones wanting him dead... Jesus came to teach them a doctrine of Love vs the old law... and they refused to hear... Is it you who refuses to open your ears? If I had known Christian chat was so aggressive. I would have never walked into this chat... however now I am glad I did... all things are for the Good right? you never know who you could meet or who your really talking to.. Afterall, God is a spirit of Love.. but love can have wrath if need be... Love will murder itself... Ask Jesus

I give warning of the Eternal Lake of Fire.. God is the one who decides who will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.. I do not threaten you i warn you..

When responding to people deal with them as individuals and deal with what they say to you.. I am only responsible for what i say, not for what others say in here. I am not their master and they are not my slaves..

Jesus was killed to provide the Atoning sacrafice that would pay for the sins of all people who believed and trusted in Him.. Some scribes accused Jesus of doing His miracles by the power of beelzebub the king of the demons.. Jesus however did His miracles by the Power of the Holy Spirit, so the scribes who declared that the Jesus had a demon where in fact calling the Holy Spirit a demon and thus they committed the unforgivable sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. They walked to the edge of oblivion and walked over the edge and that's why i gave you warning Because i am indwelled by the Holy Spirit and declaring it to be an evil spirit is a sure Way to eternal damnation..

Jesus came to complete the message of God.. That being the Way of reconciliation for all humans who could never succeed in doing the law without failure.. The Law was and still is a teacher.. Teaching all people that they are breakers of the Law and thus needing the Atonement of Jesus to be justly forgiven..

I have all along in this discussion just responded to your points in a calm way giving my beliefs.. It seems to me that you are the one injecting emotions into this discussion..

 

[UnderGrace]

Yet you refer to it.. go figure. How do you know so much about Lucifer and his ideas?? That’s really my question ... my man...

I am a researcher.

 

[UnderGrace]

I didn’t call myself Luciferian.. someone else did... if you don’t believe in an idea “Luciferian” how are you able to accuse someone thoughts as such?

Listen carefully, a Luciferian is a person who worships Lucifer as "light bearer".... the reason I say this is because there is no Lucifer so it is unreal.... it is all in their head.

 

[TheWind]

Are you sure, I really do not have the patience to go back, but I am pretty sure it was not you but the doctrine.

Just as an aside I have talked people online, of course, who do not mind the label.

Who are you to give people labels??? Your label doesn’t effect me.. although you may try to affect someone else... I hope you don’t think so... I am still who I am with or without your belief.. maybe Jesus came to defend the sinners against men like you.. proclaiming to have it all figured out to condemn others...
The Jews called Jesus prince of the devils for his doctrine, so what he spoke out of his mouth.... and out of his heart... and they thought he was of The Devil... who gives you the right to label another man? I thought only God could judge?

 

[UnderGrace]

Who are you to give people labels??? Your label doesn’t effect me.. although you may try to affect someone else... I hope you don’t think so... I am still who I am with or without your belief.. maybe Jesus came to defend the sinners against men like you.. proclaiming to have it all figured out to condemn others...
The Jews called Jesus prince of the devils for his doctrine, so what he spoke out of his mouth.... and out of his heart... and they thought he was of The Devil... who gives you the right to label another man? I thought only God could judge?

Obviously a discussion is not to be had.
Goodbye.

I think @maxwel was right, should have known he would be right, he often is.

 

[TheWind]

I give warning of the Eternal Lake of Fire.. God is the one who decides who will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.. I do not threaten you i warn you..

When responding to people deal with them as individuals and deal with what they say to you.. I am only responsible for what i say, not for what others say in here. I am not their master and they are not my slaves..

Jesus was killed to provide the Atoning sacrafice that would pay for the sins of all people who believed and trusted in Him.. Some scribes accused Jesus of doing His miracles by the power of beelzebub the king of the demons.. Jesus however did His miracles by the Power of the Holy Spirit, so the scribes who declared that the Jesus had a demon where in fact calling the Holy Spirit a demon and thus they committed the unforgivable sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. They walked to the edge of oblivion and walked over the edge and that's why i gave you warning Because i am indwelled by the Holy Spirit and declaring it to be an evil spirit is a sure Way to eternal damnation..

Jesus came to complete the message of God.. That being the Way of reconciliation for all humans who could never succeed in doing the law without failure.. The Law was and still is a teacher.. Teaching all people that they are breakers of the Law and thus needing the Atonement of Jesus to be justly forgiven..

I have all along in this discussion just responded to your points in a calm way giving my beliefs.. It seems to me that you are the one injecting emotions into this discussion..

I apologize if I spoke indifferent to you... but at this point .. why do I have to defend my belief? I know why Jesus died. But God didn’t die... you can’t kill a spirit.. And btw....he went to the cross willingly, knowing his purpose was to pay the curse for others debt...and gave Judas what he needed... does that mean Judas is evil? Or was Evil used for Good?
and The message is complete... but I don’t need to heed your warning... for I already was warned by the Word of God... no need to through your damnation warning this way!

 

[TheWind]

Listen carefully, a Luciferian is a person who worships Lucifer as "light bearer".... the reason I say this is because there is no Lucifer so it is unreal.... it is all in their head.

Was Jesus not a light bearer? How will you know the difference ? You Instead of being open to a thought ..have your ears closed. But faith come by hearing.. so if you don’t want to even consider someone else faith, how will you know when it’s God?

 

[TheWind]

Was Jesus not a light bearer? How will you know the difference ? You Instead of being open to a thought ..have your ears closed. But faith come by hearing.. so if you don’t want to even consider someone else faith, how will you know when it’s God?

The Jews did not receive Jesus... and then the veil was torn after he breathed his last.. then they were all in awww... and thought him as God... but before they thought he was lucifer? You never know who your talking to... I guess truth can appear Evil to some, and Good to others... but how does it appear to the multitude is suppose.

 

[UnderGrace]

Was Jesus not a light bearer? How will you know the difference ? You Instead of being open to a thought ..have your ears closed. But faith come by hearing.. so if you don’t want to even consider someone else faith, how will you know when it’s God?

Jesus is the light of the world.

Do you think you could ask less questions maybe.
You really have not clearly stated what you believe.

Even if scripture does make a clear statement on the creation of Satan, it does not mean that he was not created by God.
God does not tell us everything.

 

[TheWind]

Obviously a discussion is not to be had.
Goodbye.

I think @maxwel was right, should have known he would be right, he often is.

God is right... not men... God bless you in your travels!!

 

[CharliRenee]

HAH...The horse I ride on is named TRUTH.........

What do you want to know...? My dad was killed when I was three, I had a hard up bringing with abusive step dads (x 3) and luckily had a foundation in church because of a faithful grandmother....Highly intelligent, 12th grade algebra at age 7, graduated school early, U.S. Marine in the 80's honorably discharged, did a few years of heavy drug usage after....got right with the Lord.....not only did I go to seminary to make up for lost bible study time where we studied through the bible twice a year for 4 years, but also am a Machinist by trade...parts for jets, missiles, bombers and even the space shuttle.....Retired at 45, have 50 acres in Missouri with 10 houses...24 trips to Australia the last 4 years...wrote a 212 page book on the second coming of Christ, have been spreading the word of God by teaching, preaching, witnessing for the last 31 years and in all honesty have witnessed to millions dia internet, radio, cable T.V. and teaching or doing revivals at church camps and churches in 4 states a 3 different countries.......

Thank you for sharing your story. God Bless you for all your service to Him for many years and for your service to your country and its people.