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It is a serious question, not in the sense that I agree with you, but what are the implications of forgetting to surrender.
My other question is do you also surrender the little details of what outfit to put on in the morning ...etc., etc.,
I am a practical person, I need to understand it from a real life application too.
My other question is do you also surrender the little details of what outfit to put on in the morning ...etc., etc.,
I am a practical person, I need to understand it from a real life application too.
Sorry, I had to EDIT my Post #17 because all of it bolded instead of the parts I intended to bold.
And I don't recall any real response to my posts:
https://christianchat.com/threads/c...he-spirit-of-christ-in-us.186205/post-3978438
https://christianchat.com/threads/c...he-spirit-of-christ-in-us.186205/post-3978452
And I don't recall any real response to my posts:
https://christianchat.com/threads/c...he-spirit-of-christ-in-us.186205/post-3978438
https://christianchat.com/threads/c...he-spirit-of-christ-in-us.186205/post-3978452
Galatians 2:20 -
"I have been crucified with [perfect tense] Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. And that which I now live in the flesh, I live through [/in] faith from [or, that OF] the Son of God, the One having loved me and having given up Himself for me."
https://biblehub.com/text/galatians/2-20.htm
"I have been crucified with [perfect tense] Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. And that which I now live in the flesh, I live through [/in] faith from [or, that OF] the Son of God, the One having loved me and having given up Himself for me."
https://biblehub.com/text/galatians/2-20.htm
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The Greek only acknowledges faithing or surrendering towards God, pisteuo. Or faithing and surrendering towards anything else, apisteuo.
There is no nuetral or middle ground such as just believing.
Faithing towards God is a covenant, a contract, a personal relationship, like a marriage. Every persons personal relationship with God by a surrendered life is unique between them and God.
Hope this helps you figure out what to wear.
There is no nuetral or middle ground such as just believing.
Faithing towards God is a covenant, a contract, a personal relationship, like a marriage. Every persons personal relationship with God by a surrendered life is unique between them and God.
Hope this helps you figure out what to wear.
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I don't discuss scripture with anyone until I'm sure it's theirs to talk about. So I'm not going to respond to your posts until you validate you know what true NT pisteuo is.
There is a chance you could be fulfilling pisteuo and not realize it. But I would recognize it.
So present your understanding of it if you want to continue.
There is a chance you could be fulfilling pisteuo and not realize it. But I would recognize it.
So present your understanding of it if you want to continue.
That's part of why I needed you to respond to the following post (to which you never responded), or else I can't know what you mean instead:
https://christianchat.com/threads/c...he-spirit-of-christ-in-us.186205/post-3978626
which Post says:
Re: Post #93... so what are you seeing a problem with in the verse I supplied (if you are):
In Ephesians 1:13 -
G4100 [verb] - "πιστεύω - pisteuó/ pisteusantes"
"Definition: to believe, entrust
Usage: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with."
"1. intransitive, to think to be true; to be persuaded of; to credit, place confidence in;"
Ephesians 1:13 V-APA-NMP
GRK: ᾧ καὶ πιστεύσαντες ἐσφραγίσθητε τῷ
NAS: having also believed, you were sealed
KJV: also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with
INT: whom also having believed you were sealed with the
"in whom you also, having heard the word of truth, the gospel your of salvation, in whom also having believed [G4100] you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise"
https://christianchat.com/threads/c...he-spirit-of-christ-in-us.186205/post-3978626
which Post says:
Re: Post #93... so what are you seeing a problem with in the verse I supplied (if you are):
In Ephesians 1:13 -
G4100 [verb] - "πιστεύω - pisteuó/ pisteusantes"
"Definition: to believe, entrust
Usage: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with."
"1. intransitive, to think to be true; to be persuaded of; to credit, place confidence in;"
Ephesians 1:13 V-APA-NMP
GRK: ᾧ καὶ πιστεύσαντες ἐσφραγίσθητε τῷ
NAS: having also believed, you were sealed
KJV: also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with
INT: whom also having believed you were sealed with the
"in whom you also, having heard the word of truth, the gospel your of salvation, in whom also having believed [G4100] you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise"
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There it is folks, the lie out pisteuo's mouth. Who the "heck" are you to judge whether or not a person has saving faith based on you and your teacher (who btw your afraid to name) is expounding that everybody has a false understanding except you two guys? You said you have been a Christian for 33 years and your still feeding on baby formula.
So, let me ask you this question based on the following scenario from Acts 10:44-48. Now pay attention to the text. "While Peter was still speaking these words, (what words pisteuo?) Acts 10:43, "Or Him all the prophets bear witness that through His/Jesus Christ name everyone WHO BELIEVES in Him receives forgiveness of sins."
Back to vs44, "was still speaking these words, the HOLY SPIRIT fell upon all those who were listening to the message. vs45, And all the circumcissed "BELIEVERS" (past tense and there's that pesty word that starts with a "B") who had come with Peter were amazed, (why pisteuo?) because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out upon the Gentiles also. vs46, For (or becasue) they were hearinhg them speaking in tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,
Vs47, Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit JUST AS WE DID, can he? Vs48, And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Thenthey asked him to stay on for a few days."
So tell us all here pisteuo, what did these new converts do in order to receive the Holy Spirit? They "BELIEVED." And notice they received the Holy Spirit "BEFORE" they were water baptized. Now, what is the Greek word for "believing" at vs43 and the Greek word for "believers" at vs45? PS: What is your teachers name, why are you hiding it from us?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
So, let me ask you this question based on the following scenario from Acts 10:44-48. Now pay attention to the text. "While Peter was still speaking these words, (what words pisteuo?) Acts 10:43, "Or Him all the prophets bear witness that through His/Jesus Christ name everyone WHO BELIEVES in Him receives forgiveness of sins."
Back to vs44, "was still speaking these words, the HOLY SPIRIT fell upon all those who were listening to the message. vs45, And all the circumcissed "BELIEVERS" (past tense and there's that pesty word that starts with a "B") who had come with Peter were amazed, (why pisteuo?) because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out upon the Gentiles also. vs46, For (or becasue) they were hearinhg them speaking in tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,
Vs47, Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit JUST AS WE DID, can he? Vs48, And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Thenthey asked him to stay on for a few days."
So tell us all here pisteuo, what did these new converts do in order to receive the Holy Spirit? They "BELIEVED." And notice they received the Holy Spirit "BEFORE" they were water baptized. Now, what is the Greek word for "believing" at vs43 and the Greek word for "believers" at vs45? PS: What is your teachers name, why are you hiding it from us?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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You mean other than the mountain of common Sense I've provided.
It's Not "my" true NT pisteuo, I didn't make the terms Grace through Faith. I didn't choose to use the word pisteuo 248 times in the NT.
Again, the Vines gives the best definition or reference for you. Vines defines pisteuo as ," A personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth."
The Vines goes onto say something very important to define pisteuo, it's says, " the object of Abraham's Faith was not God's promises ( that was the occasion of it's exercise ) His Faith rested on God Himself.
That is what happens when pisteuo is fulfilled as believe, believer, and believing . The relationship is built on the occasion of the exercise, instead of God Himself.
It's Not "my" true NT pisteuo, I didn't make the terms Grace through Faith. I didn't choose to use the word pisteuo 248 times in the NT.
Again, the Vines gives the best definition or reference for you. Vines defines pisteuo as ," A personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth."
The Vines goes onto say something very important to define pisteuo, it's says, " the object of Abraham's Faith was not God's promises ( that was the occasion of it's exercise ) His Faith rested on God Himself.
That is what happens when pisteuo is fulfilled as believe, believer, and believing . The relationship is built on the occasion of the exercise, instead of God Himself.
