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Noose

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I am not sure what conclusion you are claiming is wrong. God grants grace to the humble, and promises to reveal Himself to those who seek Him sincerely and diligently. God gives us enough freedom to ensure that we are responsible for the choices we make, and it is a choice everyone must make, whom they shall serve. God makes it possible, for indeed, all things are possible in and through Him, but that does not mean we have no part to play. For myself, I know very well how opposed I was to anything Scriptural and traditional concerning God, and yet sought truth, which is embodied in the Person and work of Jesus Christ. God did not force me to lay down my opposition to Him; I repented of my rebellion over time as Truth was revealed to me.

You initially said God cause us to repent and you quoted:

Acts 5:31 God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins.
Acts 11:18 When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.”

But there's this:

John 16: 8And when He comes, He will convict the world in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment:

Which means that God only makes us aware of our sins and the choice to turn away from sin is ours to make.
I agree with you that we have a part to play.
 
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That’s not very loving of you to make such a caustic statement.
He flat lied about what I believe about a page or so past.......he does not represent JESUS very well, nor does he actually believe what he peddles...if HE DID he would be way more careful because according to him...salvation is losable and no one gets it back....

Funny truth...the peddlers of a salvation that can be lost like a dime in the park have never lost salvation........they ALWAYS walk perfect, being sinless and never do anything that causes the to lose it.....rather comical to be frank
 
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You are dead WRONG about LOVE being a work.

You do not even believe the BIBLE. You do not do GODLY LOVE out of a HUMAN EFFORT.

WHAT DO I MEAN BY GODLY LOVE? It is a TYPE OF LOVE that Cannot be produced in the Human Body. It COMES FROM GOD HIMSELF.

Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
5 This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

Most of us here are VERY FAMILIAR with that kind of LOVE , in fact it just bubbles out of us. It is like a seed that GOD PLANTED in our Human Spirit or Hearts. IT WILL PRODUCE THE SAME KIND OF LOVE as the Parent SEED. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE LACKING.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:4-8 (HCSB)
4 But when the goodness of God and His love for mankind appeared,
5 He saved usnot by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
8 This saying is trustworthy. I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed God might be careful to devote themselves to good works. These are good and profitable for everyone.

Galatians 2:16 (HCSB)
16 know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ. And we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.

Romans 4:2-5 (HCSB)
2 If Abraham was justified by works, he has something to brag about—but not before God.
3 For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.
4 Now to the one who works, pay is not considered as a gift, but as something owed.
5 But to the one who does not work, but believes on Him who declares the ungodly to be righteous, his faith is credited for righteousness.

Galatians 3:9-10 (HCSB)
9 So those who have faith are blessed with Abraham, who had faith.
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written: Everyone who does not continue doing everything written in the book of the law is cursed.

Romans 3:20 (HCSB)
20 For no one will be justified in His sight by the works of the law, because the knowledge of sin ⌊comes⌋ through the law.


I have asked you TWO TIMES TO EXPLAIN how you think a human being is BORN AGAIN, and How you know it? And quoting a Verse, IS AVOIDING TO AN ANSWER THE QUESTION. I am convince You have never been born again, because of your willfully avoidance to answer the question. That is just Rude, unless You do not know how to answer the question. Most of us here are Born Again Christians, and Jesus said in John 3 you cannot get into heaven without being Born Again.

James 4:1-2 (ESV)
1 What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions are at war within you?
2 You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask.

You have a stubborn, divisive nature that YOU HAVE TO GET RID OF. Most one of us will be ready and willing to TEACH YOU how to be Born Again, and how to tell that you REALLY ARE Born Again. But you have to ASK, with a Teachable Attitude; and then we will be willing to share with you.

One bit of advice that I learned from an older brother a LONG TIME AGO.

Any time you think you have found a Contradiction in the Scriptures, YOU CAN BE SURE YOU HAVE MISINTERPRETED ONE OR BOTH VERSES. There are NO contradictions in GOD's WORD, just Misinterpretations.
AMEN....LOVE is a spiritual GIFT given to those that have been legitimately born from above by the Spirit of GOD......and it can be stunted and or matured in a child of God
 

VCO

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My 17 yrs old granddaughter is coming to stay for a few days...
I am to be a women of God , my place that God has set before me is to be a godly example of what God has taught me from His word...

To be a light for Christ , for her to look at me and know that Jesus is that light...
She knew me before I was born again , she sees the great change in me Praise God .

Today is all God has given to me , and He has called me to be a grandmother to my unsaved granddaughter , that is a mighty work from God...
Will be praying for you, and the Joy of seeing you Granddaughter SAVED.
 

Rosemaryx

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We love because God loved us first...
When we were unbelievers , we loved as in worldly love...
Waking up loving someone , then if in the day they hurt us , we hated them , but Gods love is Amazing , it causes us to love our enemies , that is impossible without Gods love being put into us by His Holy Spirit...xox...
 

Noose

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You are dead WRONG about LOVE being a work.

You do not even believe the BIBLE. You do not do GODLY LOVE out of a HUMAN EFFORT.

WHAT DO I MEAN BY GODLY LOVE? It is a TYPE OF LOVE that Cannot be produced in the Human Body. It COMES FROM GOD HIMSELF.

Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
5 This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

Most of us here are VERY FAMILIAR with that kind of LOVE , in fact it just bubbles out of us. It is like a seed that GOD PLANTED in our Human Spirit or Hearts. IT WILL PRODUCE THE SAME KIND OF LOVE as the Parent SEED. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE LACKING.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:4-8 (HCSB)
4 But when the goodness of God and His love for mankind appeared,
5 He saved usnot by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
8 This saying is trustworthy. I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed God might be careful to devote themselves to good works. These are good and profitable for everyone.

Galatians 2:16 (HCSB)
16 know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ. And we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.

Romans 4:2-5 (HCSB)
2 If Abraham was justified by works, he has something to brag about—but not before God.
3 For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.
4 Now to the one who works, pay is not considered as a gift, but as something owed.
5 But to the one who does not work, but believes on Him who declares the ungodly to be righteous, his faith is credited for righteousness.

Galatians 3:9-10 (HCSB)
9 So those who have faith are blessed with Abraham, who had faith.
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written: Everyone who does not continue doing everything written in the book of the law is cursed.

Romans 3:20 (HCSB)
20 For no one will be justified in His sight by the works of the law, because the knowledge of sin ⌊comes⌋ through the law.


I have asked you TWO TIMES TO EXPLAIN how you think a human being is BORN AGAIN, and How you know it? And quoting a Verse, IS AVOIDING TO AN ANSWER THE QUESTION. I am convince You have never been born again, because of your willfully avoidance to answer the question. That is just Rude, unless You do not know how to answer the question. Most of us here are Born Again Christians, and Jesus said in John 3 you cannot get into heaven without being Born Again.

James 4:1-2 (ESV)
1 What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions are at war within you?
2 You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask.

You have a stubborn, divisive nature that YOU HAVE TO GET RID OF. Most one of us will be ready and willing to TEACH YOU how to be Born Again, and how to tell that you REALLY ARE Born Again. But you have to ASK, with a Teachable Attitude; and then we will be willing to share with you.

One bit of advice that I learned from an older brother a LONG TIME AGO.

Any time you think you have found a Contradiction in the Scriptures, YOU CAN BE SURE YOU HAVE MISINTERPRETED ONE OR BOTH VERSES. There are NO contradictions in GOD's WORD, just Misinterpretations.
Godly love is a work and not some thought or belief. Even God came and died for us - isn't that work?
 

Magenta

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You initially said God cause us to repent and you quoted:

Acts 5:31 God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins.
Acts 11:18 When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.”

But there's this:

John 16: 8And when He comes, He will convict the world in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment:

Which means that God only makes us aware of our sins and the choice to turn away from sin is ours to make.
I agree with you that we have a part to play.
What I said initially is: Repentance is turning away from sin and self and looking to God for forgiveness and salvation. To counter your saying repentance is the realization we are not perfect. Does God make repentance possible? Yes, He does. Does He force us to repent? No, He does not. The wrong conclusion was not on my part :) Your definition of repentance left much to be desired.
 

Noose

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My 17 yrs old granddaughter is coming to stay for a few days...
I am to be a women of God , my place that God has set before me is to be a godly example of what God has taught me from His word...

To be a light for Christ , for her to look at me and know that Jesus is that light...
She knew me before I was born again , she sees the great change in me Praise God .

Today is all God has given to me , and He has called me to be a grandmother to my unsaved granddaughter , that is a mighty work from God...
Matt 5:14You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a basket. Instead, they set it on a lamp stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

Your good deeds.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You have great wisdom, beloved. I sense our little friend is becoming frustrated and angry because he is losing a debate. Pride is typical of works salvationists. I’ll be happy to lose debates all day long if I am proven wrong and learning something about the glory of God in the process.
Amen bro.. They always come to a point all they do is expose themselves.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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And lying about me does not help your working for losable salvation....all liars shall burn....congrats....you just proved your eternal destiny by your own words....
Gotta love them

They teach obedience, while breaking one of the commands continually.

Again, it sometimes is too easy
 
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We love because God loved us first...
When we were unbelievers , we loved as in worldly love...
Waking up loving someone , then if in the day they hurt us , we hated them , but Gods love is Amazing , it causes us to love our enemies , that is impossible without Gods love being put into us by His Holy Spirit...xox...
AMEN ROSE.......I have seen more wisdom come from you in the short time you have been here compared to ALL of the false teachers combined.............You have embraced the truth and have grown leaps and bounds while they remain in bondage and spiritually defunct
 

Magenta

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Noose

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What I said initially is: Repentance is turning away from sin and self and looking to God for forgiveness and salvation. To counter your saying repentance is the realization we are not perfect. Does God make it possible? Yes, He does. Does He force us? No, He does not. The wrong conclusion was not on my part :) Your definition of repentance left much to be desired.
Your definition of repentance is incomplete, you can not turn away from sin and self until you realize you are not perfect. That realization is the conviction that God does, not just to a few people but everyone. Turning away from sin is our work.

John 16:8And when He comes, He will convict the world in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment:
 

Rosemaryx

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Matt 5:14You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a basket. Instead, they set it on a lamp stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

Your good deeds.
Yes , the good deeds are from the word of God that is and has taught me to do through Him , I have nothing inside me that`s good apart from my LORD...

I am putting Gods word into practice , according to His Will...
 
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Gotta love them

They teach obedience, while breaking one of the commands continually.

Again, it sometimes is too easy
I know.....hilariously sad......

Noose peddles a losable salvation or one that must be maintained
Lies about what I believe behind my back while I was not even online
God said all liars shall have their part in the Lake of Fire
and he does not believe salvation can be regained

Soooooooo...............bad day I guess........but wait a minute....these jokers NEVER lose salvation........only those that believe in eternal security lose it or don't have it.....

Such hypocritical ignorance